Kuerten's biggest win according to Guga himself

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  1. merlinpinpin

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    Guga needs to get his priorities straight.

    Biggest accomplishment in tennis? Olympic Singles Gold. After that it's winning RG, which Guga did three times.

    #1545654765856754374865 on the list? Winning a YEC...Silly Guga.
     
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    1 Olympic Gold = 750 pts

    6 YEC/TMC/WTF = 9000 pts (6x1500)

    Vamos Brigade mass butthurt = priceless
     
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    I thought DC was the most important title, followed by Olympic singles Gold, followed by MC, followed by French Open followed by Barcelona.
     
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    Great point. I need to edit the priority number of the YEC above...
     
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    TMC in Lisbon 2000 was indeed memorable.

    Guga was in a tight race with Sampras, Agassi and Safin, and he knew it was his best and only chance @ #1. Even one loss means he lost it. So in order to finish the year as No. 1 player, Kuerten did what many critics had deemed impossible (he's not fast court man): beat Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi in back-to-back matches on an indoor hard court.
     
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    Kuerten played out of his mind against Agassi in that 2000 Masters Cup final, and clinched the year-end world number 1 ranking as a result. A great moment, especially considering the injury problem he was having at the start of that tournament, where he nearly pulled out altogether.
     
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    commentators said that court was pretty slow. And Guga had a lot of fans in Portugal, so who knows if that was intentional. Compared to indoor carpet at the YEC in the 90s in Germany, it may as well have been clay.

    this isn't meant for you, but I think the overall generalization here of how 'fast' all non clay surfaces were in the 90s/early 2000s is a bit much. In reality there was quite a lot of variance in surface speed(not to mention balls, even in the 80s I remember players complaining about how certain balls were affecting conditions at tournaments.)

    But with no internet back then we didn't have to hear fans moan about surfaces or roofs or balls constantly & act like those are the only reasons one player wins & one doesn't. When enough moan, it seems like they become facts more than opinions, which is what they are(commentators are guilty of this as well)
     
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    He has 3 RG to only 1 TMC, that's why it means so much to him. There's not a whole lot of players that have won TMC.
     
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    Same thing almost happened 10 years later except that Federer didn't let it happen.
     
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    The game against sampras was just brutal. I was 8 at the time, I can remember almost everything that I've done that day.
     
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    Poor deluded Guga, he doesn't even realize how wrong he is, let's hope he never browses through TW, it would crush him to realize how worthless that cheesy exo he trumps as his biggest win career is.

    But not all is bad, he won 2 MC titles, he can be extremely proud of that!
     
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    IIRC Sampras was always saying that it was pretty slow but he was glad because of that as it allowed him to play more from the baseline.

    People don't realize today that Sampras complained a number of times when the court was too fast (saying it's not what the fans want to see and similar).
     
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    It was slow for an indoor tournament in 2000, it was still lightning fast for Guga, whose record off clay was pretty abysmal, and it was definitely the fastest court he ever beat a top player on.
     
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    Let's not forget that Kuerten won 2001 Cincinnati, arguably the fastest hardcourt on the tour, by beating Roddick, Haas, Ivanisevic, Kafelnikov, Henman and Rafter in succession!
     
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    Yes he complained that the conditions at the 2000 Australian Open were too fast, and was happy when the Wimbledon courts were slowed down in 1995 (although I don't think most people noticed the change between 1994 and 1995). That 1994 final against Goran (which Sampras himself said was boring to play in despite winning) which a lot of tennis fans thought was horrendous to watch, must have contributed to that change.
     
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    Speaking of Guga, I agree that his Cincinnati title run in 2001 was also incredibly impressive.

    He also played very well to win the title at Indianapolis in 2000, beating Ferreira, Hewitt and Safin in succession. At the time Indianapolis was one of the strongest tournaments on the calendar outside the slams/YEC/masters series events, being voted by the players as the best international series gold/500 tournament 9 times between 1990 and 2001.

    The most frustrating aspect of Kuerten's career was probably his huge underachievement at the Australian Open. In 8 visits to Melbourne he never reached Round 4, only reached Round 3 once and lost more matches than he won (his career W-L record there was a terrible 7-8 ). It's not as his game was unsuited to the Rebound Ace or anything. He hated grass but at least he reached the quarters there in 1999.
     
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    Yes. Kuerten always did badly at the Australian Open, and it's hard to know why. It took until 2004 (past his best) before he got to a career best third round at the tournament.
     
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    Bad preparation for the begin of the season. Guga was a little irresponsible with his physique in the season until the end each year's AO.
     
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    guga is just another deluded *******...

    \clarky mode
     
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    hence the expression, cincy the real slam....
     
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    That is a sick draw! Roddick, Rafter and YK were all former #1's; the balance were either former or current top five or top tens and all accomplished hard courters.

    For me, his biggest win will always be his first RG in 97. He came out of nowhere to win a major. He was ranked around 70 and unseeded. He was an unknown goofy looking, lanky, Brazilian surfer dude with a scruffy beard and that wild blue and yellow Diadora get up complete with the pastel blue shoes and a Head Pro Tour.
     
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    Another point to what Mustard said, Guga played the both matches (full matches) of semi-final and final in the same day.

    He beat Henman in a third set breaker, then rest to come in to trash Rafter away.
     
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    Well played, sir.

    It was an amazing weekend of tennis.
     
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    That was indeed impressive. Why were they held the same day? Weather delays?
     
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    Haha, there was some minor interruption during which a couple of errant fans tried to swim in an area near to the courts. My memory could be playing tricks on me, but the facility could be best described as flooded going on the TV pictures they showed during the weekend in 2001. Last year's USO was plain sailing in comparison.
     
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    I love Guga but is he really a hall of famer?I think the tennis hall of fame is not what it should be.
     
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    Lol. #1, TMC champion, 3 time slam champion. Naaaah he is crap.
     
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    WTF/Masters Cup

    Really the insistence of some that the WTF is just a glorified exhibition is just an invention on this forum. It would have no resonance with any top Pro tennis player at all. If you said that to a top pro player - they would look at you as if you were mad. Top Pro players grow up with tennis playing heroes that they like to emulate. They would have seen the great tradition and importance placed on the Season end finals by past players - and current players have carried on that respect.
     
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    WTF/Masters Cup

    Really the insistence of some that the WTF is just a glorified exhibition is just an invention on this forum. It would have no resonance with any top Pro tennis player at all. If you said that to a top pro player - they would look at you as if you were mad. Top Pro players grow up with tennis playing heroes that they like to emulate. They would have seen the great tradition and importance placed on the Season end finals by past players - and current players have carried on that respect.
     
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    Yeah, I'm thinking he just wasn't ready to go when the season started. With a slam basically kicking off the season, if a player isn't training hard and mentally prepared, it will show in the results. IMO, he basically didn't care that much about the AO and so was never fully prepared.
     
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    We know. Only the Nadal-worshipers try to downplay the importance of this essential event because their butt-picking cheat-hero has still not managed to take a title.
     
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    It is what it is. It's much too late to be arguing about more stringent entrance requirements.
     
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    agree with this ..... Lisbon 2000 was a medium fast court ....much slower compared to indoor courts in Germany ....(Hannover, Stuttgart etc ...)
     
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    What would the VamosBrigade say if Nadal won the WTF this year?
     
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    I guess right. I watched that tournament live. It's meaningful and not an exo at all. OP's perception of that TMC is wrong.
     
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  37. bluetrain4

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    Given whom he beat and the fashion in which he beat them, I think Lisbon 2000 is a very impressive win regardless of the fact that it wasn't lightening fast.
     
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    I like how people are deciding for Kuerten what his most important win was, even though he's stated quite clearly otherwise.
     
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    They are not trying to hide it any more. Either they say nothing, or they straightforward admit, that unless their hero wins an event/wins an event more than his opponents, it is not of any importance whatsoever.
     
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