Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by ian5, Apr 21, 2008.
You haven't been paying attention, have you?
Yeah I have been paying attention. I understand all the BS that was handed out to people about deliveries etc. But to say there are plants from Laserfibre I don't understand. My point was Tim is not going to post a reply to the questions about why there is not a break on the machine, just e-mail him. Calling can be harder than e-mailing, and being there is now evidence that the machines are shipping I doubt he will ignore any potential customers who ask questions about their merchandise.
Keep on chasing your own tail, pal.
No, but someone is supposed to buy it tomorrow (payday!). If I don't hear from him/her tomorrow... it's still available.
Lol! Let him immerse himself in the Laserfibre experience. How many times have we seen this on the forum?
Let me know if it falls through. What is it strung with now?
I don't really care if the machine has a brake or not, because I'm not buying one: I'm one of those who had a miserable experince trying to deal with Laserfibre in the past. I was just stating that I don't understand why the machine doesn't have one. If someone has an answer, I'm all ears.
The main point of my post was that the OP had a friend string a racquet on the Quantum and then tell him how good it was. I would like to see if his results could be duplicated. Consistency of results, not one job that seems wonderful, are what make a machine desirable. I hope we can hear more about how the Quantum works from the OP, his friend, or some other lottery winner who has actually received one.
for all you bone heads that do not understand what this means it has nothing to do with BRAKE
Tim was preaching about how much superior the SW internal 5 point mounting system is compared to the external 6 point mounting system other brands use. But now they employ the same 6 point mounting system that they used to thumb their nose down at.
I think the simple answer is probably that the parts molding for 6-pt. mounting, their turntable, and clamps are all readily available and pretty generic stuff these days whereas inside-pt. mounting is still more of an anomaly. Prototype your own inside-mounting parts from scratch without getting in trouble from Strungway or the much cheaper solution, simply use what's already out there. To me, there's ONE revolutionary feature on the Quantum and that's their tensioning aparatus. It appears they've solved the biggest drawback to the Strungway dropweight...too many repulls/pumping required to get all the string slack out. I sometimes feel as though Strungway had just placed the tensioner a wee bit further from the turntable they would have solved this problem.
Wouldn't more slack be pulled up if the tensioner was closer to the TT?
just finished my second stick tonight on LF’s new machine and time for a frosty cold one. my first read is this machine is one monster of an improvement over their old ones. not that the old ones were horrible. i know. i had a ms200tt that i just sold. but it did have a bucket of issues.
nothing on this pup is a step backwards to the old one. the mounts and clamps are indescribably an improvement. they are beefier and are seriously easier and faster to use in every respect. the tray is rock solid and spins like butter. i have forever complained the ms200tt tray was always loose and wobbled like a freakin’ scooby doo bobble head and i will not miss the broken mount plates either.
the new LF tensioner is not anything like their old one. whoever said it’s a knock off of a SW, doesn’t know what they are talking about. it is different on so many levels. it is easier and faster to use than the original. the layout with the diablo wheel and ball bearing gripper reminds me a little of the few times i strung on a Babo. same basic motion getting the string in the gripper. they changed something with the weight and arm too because it definitely feels alot lighter, like no effort to pull and release tension. they finally smartened up and ditched the lame tension ruler and engraved the pounds on the arm. when they say 1 pull for dead bang tensioning, they’re not joking. just ask my trusty digital fish scale.
my last read is some of you guys need to chill. you might want to try getting some of your DNA on one before opining and complaining about it. i’m not saying other machines don’t have as good mounting and clamps or anything. i am saying FL’s ms200tt machines aren’t nearly as well built or designed or work as smoothly as the new ones.
Um, I read your old reports on the MS200TT and find your results puzzling. I've never had a lick of trouble with my ML100 mounting...UNTIL I got their newer style clamp downs at the throat. On this, I found that the white tubes holding the tie-downs would tend to steadily plop out after a few string jobs.
I switched back to the original T-bar style and never a problem. The older T-Bar style was faster, gave fantastic access to all string holes, and held down very securely with no damage. It was just a simple no fuss approach, but didn't look very fancy which is why I think Strungway abandoned it. I'm glad I still have it. I've used the 6-pt. mounting used on the new Quantum, and to me there is no comparison. I MUCH prefer the Strungway way. I've never had any of the plastic pieces break on me in nearly a decade of stringing with it. With the T-bar mounting IS fast. Not quite as fast as full-on suspension mounting, but still definitely not slow or inconvenient. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would prefer the current ********* clamping method at the throat over the older T-Bar style. Imo, there's absolutely not one single advantage. It's slower, more tedious, makes string access to the holes a little tight, higher maintenance, and as I said simply adds nothing to the process other than it looks a little cooler.
Maybe I just got lucky, or the later versions weren't as good (such as the whole tensioner spinning thing Mongo reported...never had that problem with my ML100).
P.S. Regarding the tension ruler, I actually kind of like it. I used an industrial black sharpie to mark the tensioning rod itself, and only use the tensioning ruler to quickly measure strings. It's basically 2' dead on, which makes it the perfect length to measure strings quickly and efficiently.
The tool tray on my stand for the ML100 is wobbly, but frankly it's just a tool tray and never really bothered me. It holds tools, I can access them, so it was never really a big deal to me.
I AM a believer in inside-mounting, and if I were to upgrade my machine I'd add the table break base which can be had for $155 or so, and the Wise tensioner.
Again, never had any of the problems you reported with the ML100 mounting. Hopefully it was just something with the later releases of the machine because I have to say reading your reports got me really scared.
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You are really cool man . .
Heaps of upset people on this board have been awaiting their LF Quantum stringer since more than 6 months (and you've been waiting too, but you're not upset, it's only been 9 months), there is a ****-load of posts of all those waiting. . .
Then a miracle, 1 super new Quantum turns up on the doorstep of a guy called Mongo who's away on "an extended business trip" and overnight he becomes a star because he has sent us a super "slide show" - then gets it tested the next day by a "pro" who gives a great revue. Wow.
A few days later : BINGO you fall out of nowhere and tell us that not only Father Xmas dropped a Quantum down the chimney and yet you were so unimpressed that you didn't even take the time to tell us about it. :cry:
What is even more fantastic is that you already found a buyer for your LF200TT (not bad for a machine that's not worth much) and you've strung your 1st stick on the Quantum. Impressive!!
The new machine is so fantastic from every point of view that, and I quote you :
"i am saying FL’s ms200tt machines aren’t nearly as well built or designed or work as smoothly as the new ones". sounds very promising indeed.
It's not for me to tell you that I think that all this post (and many of the other's you've written) is a pack of lies, I have no interest to do so, but I think that your post is as fishy as the fish-scale you are using, I totally agree with what !Tym has written, so I was curious enough to have a look at your previous posts, and what did I find ? :
> 01/30/2006 you are awaiting delivery of your LF MS.200TT-eco
> no complaints about this LF machine, then on the 04/28/2007 you tell Volusiano that he is better off buying an LF than a SW, it's cheaper, and you say "any troubles and you are screwed" . . .
> 3 days later, you start telling stories of breaking racquet supports, clamp swivels wearing out every 100 sticks etc.,
> then both you and Mongo (that rings a bell) start firing off all sorts of accusations about Str!ngway machines
> 11/07/2007 you suggest that LF would be better off with an Eagnas cradle, brilliant suggestion, it looks like LF followed through . . . this was all in a topic where Pete LSD is wondering about a LF tensioner being installed on a Gamma P.II or an Alpha PDC+. to which you reply :
"Dude this is a great idea"
> 09/10/2007 "I got a Quantum on hold for me too . . ."
Since then a few posts of little interest, radio silence since tha last post on 11/13/2007 where you suggest that a Fish-scale from Walmart is a good way to show that a DW is very accurate. (that sounds about right).
What I find a little curious (to say the least) is that the very first Quantums have been received by Mongo and backboard34, I don't have the time nor the patience to go back over Mongo's posts over tha last year or so, but it's a safe bet that they will be just as orientated as the ones I've just read from backboard34.
I really don't think that you guys should be on this board, the LF story is already way over the top and these latest posts are not helping sort out the mess, quite the contrary.
Play it straight Tim, this whole story is starting to smell very bad.
You and I (read your underline post below) among many others believe it is a better/superior inside mounting system, swear by it and will never use anything else. I also believe Tim swears by it but................. there is still no explanation, there never will be. As for the mounting/tensioner on the Quantum it is your typical $250 Eagnas Challenger. Why would anyone pay more than that for a Quantum is foolish. I do not have a problem on repulls because not only the arms are positioned correctly, I also have a foot pedal and I am more comfortable giving the string a nice tug before it goes in the clamp.
that is correct. not sure where !tym is positioning the arms, IMO they should be skewed to the left or right (depending how you mount) with the throat arm closer to the tensioner and/or if you give a string a nice tug before it goes into the clamp there will be little to no repulls. Of course tension jaw has to be cleaned with an alcohol base solution.
it is a $250 Eagnas Challenger knockoff, you could have saved yourself a whole wade of money not to mention time.
maybe because you have the Tbar you are sometimes double pulling the positioning of the arms are very important. Position the Tbar arm only 1/2inch in from the tip of base. It should be vary close to the tension head but if it might damage your strings on angle pulls (due to T) then there is an advantage to the currant mount I would suppose??!!
Sorry, but can someone clarify what the old T-bar mounting system mean?
I have an MS200-DX (the stand with the big spring inside), and my mounting system at the throat is the 2 little white pieces of plastics at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions with individual height adjustment on them, and at the head are 2 similiar white pieces of plastic at the 11 and 1 o'clock position, in addition to a middle piece that sticks up in the middle.
Is this the old T-bar mounting system or the new one?
I also saw some picture of a different SW mounting hardware at the throat where it's like a white long rectangular block on the middle of the throat. Which one is this?
To be honest, I don't generally pay as much attention to my stringing as you so what you say may or may not be a problem. I've never had a problem personally, and don't recall ever having to go over the T-bar with where I position the T-Bar (which has worked for 99% of all rackets I've strung).
I find it fishy, too, JB. I still don't think any 'real' people have one of these new machines, yet.
When a regular member, whom I recognize from the boards, writes a comprehensive and believable review, then I'll believe it.
I think someone created a bunch of accounts, in the past, and is using them as a shill for a certain company.
Well, if they were actually making the machines and shipping, we would have more confirmations that they have been received. Making them one at a time, one per month? You could not script anything this WHACKO!
I had time to go over Mongo's posts. Interesting reading http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1433426#post1433426
You should read this thread and it ties nicely with Mongo and others recent posts. This may also answer your questions as to why a certain stringer company is banned from this site, including JayCeeParis, who sounds like he was a *********employee. There definitly were some quality problems that were ticking off Mongo and others. Including bribing Mongo with items if he would leave positive threads on this site, which if true is absolutely outrageous.
It's Pay Day mate, stand up, leave the table and pay close attention to what I am going to tell you. You are stacking the Deck mate, and I do not want to sit down at the same table as you, I don't play with cheats. You are unworthy to sit at my table. Now **** off, the rest is too complicated for you to understand.
I wasn't aware of all this past history and it's not my problem. Personally I couldn't care less, it just disgusts me.
I got caught up in this only because I am very satisfied with my Str!ngway ML.100 and I don't understand why it's not possible to talk openly about this brand, apparantly it is because of a ban.
Deck gave me a post to look at and man did he ever open up a can of worms. I could not have imagined just how sick he and all the guys working around Laserfibre really are. They are paranoiac.
I have never seen such flagrant manipulation of messages on a tennis forum anywhere. I don't have all the elements, but what I can see is that something blew up between Laserfibre and Str!ngway sometime around April last year, 2 newbies jumped on board :
> Willeynilley joined Apr.2007
> Ionnie J joined Apr.2007
and their messages were essentially dedicated to incriminating Str!ngway. An unbelievable campaign supporting Mongo in particular who was very agressive towards Str!ngway.
Just by following up a couple of different directions I found the 2 following messages which explain exactly what I have been asking for since some time, what happened to JayCee, why was he banned.
With the unwitting help from Deck I have finally found the answer, thanks mate :
11-05-2007, 01:52 PM
Join Date: Apr 2007
Soliciting is now allowed?
I thought soliciting was not allowed. I don't really care but I had a very bad experience with ********* as a result of them using this board. Now I see STRINGTECHNO and JayCeeParis like cheezy tag-team wrestlers openly soliciting sales and promoting ********* products. STRINGTECHNO is the owner of ********* and JayCee Paris is a distributor of *********.
I would guess it is one thing to help like Gamma Rep does. It is another to try to drag people off the TW boards to sell them their stuff. No other company except ********* does it.
It's what they did to me and I got burned. Things must be really bad for them to resort to this tactic.
11-05-2007, 04:36 PM
Join Date: Jan 2004
It would appear that one of Tim's gunmen (Ionnie j) has made a very serious charge of "soliciting" and this was "fixed" by Chris, TW the same day just 2 1/2 hours later.
That is fantastic, real witch hunting is still present in the USA today. It's frightening, it really freaks me out. :shock:
Here we have a company called Laserfibre, who have had huge delivery problems during the year BEFORE they broke up with Str!ngway, (many posters complain bitterly) who continue this year to promise deliveries for machines that they don't even have. This same company seems to be not only incompetant but blatantly dishonest in their relations with their clients (and ex-suppliers).
There has been an organised infiltration of new members into this board, I have no idea how many, but several have been identified and there are probably a few more.
An accusation of soliciting, totally unsupported by the contents of his previous posts, has lead to the unilateral banning of JayCeeParis, StringTechno which are compared to "cheezy tag-team wrestlers openly soliciting sales" (how low can one go?) and what is worse is that the person making this accusation apparantly working for Laserfibre. At the same time the name S T R I N G W A Y is automatically replaced by "*********" which is fortunately by passed by all who are interested in these machines.
I believe in playing by the rules, I'm an Australian and we do not tolerate fighters hitting below the belt. The sense of justice is important to us and if, unfortunately I got involved in this mess, it's only out of curiosity and the feeling that something is terribly wrong concerning Laserfibre, their methods and above all their lack of respect for everything which comes anywhere near the ethics in tennis and in Internet Business.
I can't believe that Tennis Warehouse, the most important Tennis Business website in the world is in complicity with a company like Laserfibre. That Talk Tennis has not reacted against the pollution of the "Stringing Machines Board" by posts from people that are causing far more damage than good, is something that facinates me.
How can you let this continue indefinitely?
If my post can help clean up this garbage dump, fine.
If I've walked on some feet and upset the gods, then ban me as well. If you don't do someting about it, I won't come back anyway.
To share discussions with some of these members really makes me sick.
By the way, Deck is one of the member's of Tim's support Team as well, but he was even less intelligent than the others, he didn't even try to hide the fact. It's strange he comes from a place which has almost the same name as the pseudo of one of his mates "Willeynilley" - it's a small world. :twisted:
It just gets murkier and murkier. Like a septic tank...
JB.....RIGHT...... after that long rambling bumbling reply, you could write one hell of a conspiracy novel. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
You are probably right, it's so unbelievable that it must be confusing. :-?
I am not sure about who is who on this board where Laserfibre is concerned but YuLitle, is that pic a man with a pony tail or just a ugly girl with huge ears???
Count me in as confused too Yulitle.
radigan: I dunno. I suspect it's a girl. Lift the skirt and check.
Yes, I'm confused. Perhaps someone who was around when all that happened who, has say... more than 500 posts, could shed some light on the subject.
I know what you're saying. There are a bunch of shills using this site as LF cheerleaders. I no longer trust them.
I have not seen/read one post, supporting this LF machine, that hasn't sounded fishy.
What is it about this topic that brings out the lurkers?
It's like a bad car wreck -- you just can't look away
At least you're right about the machine, but sorry mate, I'm not leaving, today TT Stringing Machines
is starting to come alive. It's about time and I was getting fed up with all this BS about LF anyway.
All I wanted to do in the first place was to be able to discuss stringing on a S T R I N G W A Y stringing machine without feeling that I am doing something wrong.
I see that there is a post today with a photo of my SW ML.100 (T.92 single action fixed clamps). At last there's some hope that things will get better. I would be happy to share my first hand experiences with other stringers here concerning this machine.
Thanks for your "friendly" advice.
Are you including me in that comment, or is it just my imagination ? :cry:
If so, please clarify what you have to say and I will reply to you. :-?
Apart from that I am also amongst those who quite enjoy what you are doing, keep up the good work, you are certainly helping a lot of lost stringers find their way. . . .
Possibly, I don't know for sure. All I know is that there is an influx of green names lately, and all on this topic.
Happy to oblige, I like your sense of humour.
i dunno this is a pretty sketchy thing goin on. I personally will not believe anyone got a machine untill someone here with a trusted name gets one or I see it personally or ATLEAST an update of the LF website. Laserfibre is dead to me I wont even consider carrying any of their strings. If people wanna take a chance then good luck
Man, this is so lame. Just forget LF and move on!
Thanks for the insightful post. This thread is now complete.
Now that is funny
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