laver gets too much credit

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  1. pc1

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    Ashe has beaten Borg, Connors, Newcombe, Rosewall, Okker, Nastase, Stan Smith, Emerson, Gimeno, Gonzalez (at an old age of course but still good) and that first set was considered by some the finest set ever played by anyone. Jack Kramer wrote in his book that either player would have beaten anyone that ever lived in that set.

    Laver cooled him off and won in four sets.
     
  2. Tennis Dunce

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    Before any more fanboys get their panties all bunched...just relax.

    There's nothing wrong with being the fourth best tennis player ever.
     
  3. hoodjem

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    Yep. After Tilden, Rosewall, Gonzales, and Budge.
     
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    Laver would crush overrated greats like Federer and Graf if he played them. It would take the real greats like Nadal and Seles to give him a real match.
     
  5. jimbo333

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    LAVER the GOAT gets nowhere near enough credit!!!

    Once Federer has retired, there is a chance that he will be the new GOAT, we will have to see:)
     
  6. gpt

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    Laver doesn't get enough credit on this forum at least Jimbo.
    Laver is the GOAT ( if there can really be such a thing ).

    Laver was playing against Rosewall, Newcombe, Smith, Ashe, Roche all winners of majors.

    Federer is definitely one of the greatest tennis players of all time and most likely the most complete player.
    However apart from Nadal there are no other 'greats' he has to face.
     
  7. heftylefty

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    Actually Ashe was that good. Laver was an incredible player. IMHO Laver is always in the discussion for GOAT.
     
  8. theagassiman

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    Hey!
    Don't bag out 12 year olds!
     
  9. Tennis Dunce

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    Yeah...

    No doubt that Laver now, and probably 45 years from now, will be mentioned as GOAT, regardless of the accolades others procure.
     
  10. jimbo333

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    Let's hope so eh:)
     
  11. gpt

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    Up to this point in the history of tennis any GOAT discussion that does not include Laver is just dumb.
     
  12. pc1

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    This thing about height with Laver tends to amaze me. Laver had an excellent left serve which he could hit with power, angle and spin so height didn't stop him from having a terrific serve. He was able to serve and volley against the great service return of Jimmy Connors.

    He moved back very quickly and had an excellent overhead in his prime so height didn't matter there.

    He had great quickness and covered the net like a blanket so height and reach doesn't hurt him there.

    He could hit the ball on the rise and with his powerful left wrist could drive balls above his shoulder if he wanted to let it bounce that high so height didn't hurt him there.

    He had extremely powerful wrists and as I mentioned before a tree trunk left arm so height didn't hurt on the power front.

    And last but not least the man defeated everyone in his prime, many of them taller than him.

    I love the play of Yannick Noah but aside from the overhead, Laver had much better volley and could handle heavy topspin to the backhand better than Noah and Noah was 6'4" tall.

    By that logic Goran Ivanisevic who's 6'4" is a better volleyer and covers the net better than Sampras, who is 6'1".

    I like Ivo Karlovic but by that logic Karlovic is a shoo in to be a candidate for GOAT at 6'10".

    I understand Wilt Chamberlain (7'2") used to hit with Jennifer Capriati and lose to her.
     
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    Chopin is a minor compositor, in the XVII or XVIII century nobody would have heard of.
     
  14. kiki

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    Those that give so much importance to the sizes, probably have a size problem, be in their brains or...else
     
  15. dafinch

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    Lot of "out there" opinions in this forum...and I see it's a tough crowd as far as mods go, I see more than a few banned posters.
     
  16. kiki

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    That is what hurts the *******s...who said that knowing the truth is not painful?
     

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