Lead tape placement qns

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  1. JackB1

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    just a question.......wouldn't getting frame that has the exact weight/balance you like be preferable to leading one up to reach that same point? Or is it sometimes better to have some of the weight concentrated in the areas that you want? In other words, if I prefer a 340 gram racquet....should I get one thats already 340 or get one that's 330 and add 10 g's to 3/9 and the handle?
     
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  2. jzn10nis

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    I thought combining weight at 12 and 3&9 would not work well? I tried your depolarized setup recommendation and I do admit that your correct. But I still disagree that my setup has a negative effect/impact to my game. After tennis warehouse added the power potential and plow through index to their tool, it showed that I'm missing a significant power potential with my setup compared to polarized and depolarized setups. The only downside of your recommendation is it's less maneuverable even though it's depolarized, but the stability and power is better. It'll be perfect if it allows me to use my wrist to generate spin. Any additional recommendations?
     
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  3. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Well here's the thing. Back when I used stock K90s (even now it's not too much different from a stock K90), the n90 also had the exact weight and balance I liked. I hit with it, and I hated it. I could totally play with it, but the weight distribution was horrible.

    If you can find one, take a stock racket that plays exactly how you like it to. If you can't, then find something a little lower than what you're looking for, and add lead to make it better.

    I was actually once considering trading my US K90s for the Asian versions, because I'd have more room to customize and could create a heavily polarized K90 and end up with the exact weight and balance I wanted. Decided against it though, because the K90 played well enough for me, and I was afraid that if I did it, it'd be the exact same thing as the US version, hence wasting my time and money to lead it up.

    This is why we demo rackets. It's how we look for what works for us. Though you can almost always improve it with a little lead, especially as your game improves.

    Sometimes it's necessary, but avoid doing it 50/50. If anything I'd do it no more than 75/25. I prefer leaning more one way that I need in my game, and after that I add lead to whatever feels like would fix any final bugs. And doing both won't have a direct negative impact to your game, but it will limit what you can do with your racket. Generally efficiency is the goal here.

    If you want more spin, there are 2 things you can do:
    -move some of the throat weight to the head, and move the rest a little lower
    -take off some weight

    The higher and the heavier the counterbalance weight is, the less spin you get overall. This is why the counterbalance weight for polarized rackets is all the way down into the buttcap. Also, the more weight to the head, and higher up, the more spin you'll get. Lowering the weight will make getting the racket around and generating heavy spin much easier, but you get less power (which can be fixed with lower tensions anyway). So it really depends on what you need more - maneuverability or spin? Maneuverability will add some spin, but YOU will have to be the major contributor to produce it.

    Also, at the net, maneuverability isn't a huge issue. All you need to do with a heavy depolarized racket is to keep the racket in front and block the ball into the open court (sometimes putting a bit of punch on slower balls). A depolarized racket is so stable and has so much power and control that you get a lot for a little at the net. It's like them hitting the ball at a wall. Your main concern should be on getting the racket head up and the strings on the ball with contact out in front.
     
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  4. jzn10nis

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    In the case of kpt I don't think a polarized setup is the best option. When I polarized (no added weight at 3&9) the racket, it felt more unstable but you do get more spin which I really don't need because I can provide my own spin. With a depolarized setup, you get stability and a little power w/o sacrificing maneuverability even though you're adding more mass. So I was thinking 14g at 3&9 and 2g at buttcap. This gives me my preferred swingweight and balance and it's more stable than my previous setup. There's a minimal increase in power potential and plow index. It also brings the racket's weight to 12 oz which makes it more stable. What do u think?
     
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  5. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    That's more or less exactly what I reccomended. Though I don't know about starting with 14 grams. That's quite a bit of weight. Though, since the static weight will end up being 12 ounces, there might not have been much weight up there to begin with, so it's probably not the same as a K90 with roughly the same weight added to the same place. :) Though I could still easily handle that and played the best running forehands of my life. :shock:

    And I'd prefer the counterbalance a bit farther up, but it's your call. You might like it better there.
     
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  6. jzn10nis

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    Why do u prefer the counterbalance to be farther up? Overall, it's still depolarized even if I add 2g at buttcap.
     
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  7. Kcraig

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    This is a wonderful thread and extremely informative. Moving the lead from 1.2" to 7" under the grip is a great idea--especailly if it adds more stability and less vibration on my left wrist on the 2hb! For some reason I can never get the TW Customization worksheet to work for me and it always says "unable to create request"--not sure what I am doing wrong as all the fields are filled in??:confused:

    I am basically looking to add some more stability to this stick. I have been demoing a bunch of sticks lately and none really have blown me away so I figured I would continue to tinker with my current sticks and go from there-

    After reading this thread and posts I have configured 2 of my prince tour diablo mp as follows.

    Standard stock stats for the Prince Diablo MP from TW:
    Length 27.25
    Static: 11.3oz
    Balance Point/HL 12.6"/32.5cm
    SW:310

    (Each racquet has a Pro Supex overgrip (.2oz) and a Sampras O dampner at .1oz making it strung, OG, dampner static weight of 11.6oz per the digital postal scale I have)

    #1: I added 6.75g at 22" (closer to 9/3) and also 8g 7" from bottom of grip.
    New static is 12.1oz
    Balance 12.55in
    SW:????

    #2: I added 3g to 12 and also have 5g at 3/9.
    New static is 11.88oz
    Balance 12.7in
    SW??

    I would love to know what the new SW measurements are on these setups--I promise I have tried numerous times to use the worksheet but can not seem to get it to ever work for me--any tips or assistance is greatly appreciated.:oops: Thanks in advance for your responses.
     
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  8. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    I like the power that comes with lead a bit farther up the handle. Lead in the buttcap is as minimal to adding power as possible, if it even does add any (it might actually reduce some playing characteristics). But with 2 grams, it makes very little difference either way. 2 grams you won't notice a big difference is swingweight even if you put it under the bumper guard. I've put 2.5 grams under the bumper guard on my rackets, and though I can notice the difference, it's not THAT huge. It's not like you're adding 10-20 grams.

    Depends on the setup I want though. If I want more spin, the counterbalance is moved lower. If I want more power and stability, I move it farther up.

    Check the units. Anytime people have problems, it's because they use the wrong units. Also, make sure you're following the directions correctly.

    Based off my approximate guess of the distance of 10&2 for your racket, your final swingweight that I found using their calculator for racket #1 is 338.25.

    And off my estimate of the distance to 3&9, the final swingweight of racket #2 is 338.15.

    :shock: Pretty close there. Anyways, I'm too lazy to get my racket and measure the distance, but even so, it'll be a little difference from your racket anyways because of the head size and length difference.
     
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  9. Kcraig

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    Thanks so much for the information. You have a ton of knowledge and I love your informative/detailed posts!! You def do deserve the name "DR LEAD" I want the SW closer to 330 so I removed 1g from 9.5/2.5 location (which is right at 22" on a 27.25" stick) and added the 1g to 7" location. So now it is roughly 6.7g at 22" and 8g at 7"--342.75g total static.

    I Am playing later today and am interested to check out the setups. Thanks and I will keep playing with the customization worksheet some more :)
     
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  10. Kcraig

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    Tried my new setups today and can certainly attest to the better stability and less vibration with the lead at 7" spot. I now have 7g at 7". I played today with 6.75g at 22" mark and stick felt a little sluggish, but had much better stability and my 2hb felt much more solid than before with no lead. Serves were OK, but not great. Got home and decided to reduce the weight from 6.75g down to 5.5g and now at 20" (3/9) in order to get some more of the HL balance back. Figured the SW using some calculators right about 325.

    Does adding the weight at 7" have just a minimal effect on SW--mainly anything above 3/9 is where the bigger jumps in SW come into play, with 12 obviously having the biggest boost with less weight being added?
     
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  11. jzn10nis

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    It depends on how much weight ur adding. Less weight, less effect on SW. But it should have similar effects of counterbalancing to adding weight at buttcap. Also, XFull states that he likes the power that he gets when adding the weight farther up compared to adding weight at buttcap which I find ironic b/c the TW customization and reverse engineering tool tells me that I get more power potential(very small amount) when adding weight at buttcap. This is specific to my setup, although I tried other specs and it holds true thus far. Plug in your numbers and see which option benefits you more. And yes, weight at 12 have the biggest boost in SW with less weight added.
     
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  12. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    So does that mean that any living creature that ingests me shall die of cancer and that my ex-girlfriend shall die of cancer as well due to overexposure (as well as other things I shall no mention)?

    COOL! :) (Hey, I know most of you hate SOME of your ex-girlfriends as well.)

    I'd consider it a steady increase (either linearly or exponentially; not fully sure cause I'm too lazy to check) as you go farther up and away from the buttcap.
     
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  13. mawashi

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    This is kidda appropriate, why don't you delete you current profile n get a handle like Dr. Lead :lol:!

    mawashi
     
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  14. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Cause I don't want to be overwhelmed by customization requests! :shock:

    I'm sure there are more experienced experts on these boards, but I'm always willing to help and provide whatever knowledge I have. (Perhaps this is why these experts don't come here often or do not let such information become too widely known?) :)

    Plus, I feel like my equipment is far more valuable to me than my racket work, though others may disagree. It's merely my standpoint because my racket will get the job done on court far better than my knowledge of adding lead (unless of course the racket needs some work done). Haha.

    Though, if announcing my abilities in this field will hook me up with Priority One and get me a job with them (as well as them teaching me everything I don't know, such as custom handle molding for one), I would do it in a heartbeat! Sadly the hours aren't great, but I'm more of a night owl anyways. All the fun stuff happens at night. :twisted:
     
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  15. mawashi

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    Of course what else do you expect will happen :twisted:

    There's only so much lead can do :)

    Wait when exactly do you play tennis then?

    mawashi
     
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  16. Kcraig

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  17. jzn10nis

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    Yeah, you should claim the title "Dr. Lead." There's many misconceptions and such regarding lead tape and it's nice to know that there's a "go to" guy in the forums if one has questions.
     
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    Kcraig: Try it now. I found a coding mistake that might fix your problem. Please let me know if it works.
     
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    Thank you Thank you Thank you--wonderful and now I will get NOTHING DONE at WORK! Thanks for looking into this for me.:)
     
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  20. JackB1

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    I tried adding some weight to my Radical MP at 7" up the handle and didn't like how it felt. I felt like I could feel the "concentration" of weight in that one spot just above my lower hand while serving. It didnt bother me as much for forehands or backhands.....just serve. Would it be better for me to lay the lead tape legthwise along the bevels to make the weight feel more "distributed"?
    or wrap it up and put it inside the handle? I am trying to make the racquet more headlite than stock and also add a little heft.
     
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  21. ahile02

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    Aight guys, I got a quick question

    I'm just starting to get into the customization thing. I just bought lead tape today. I have my Speed Pros, with the leather grip replaced by Babolat Syntec, and I wanna get a little more plowthrough/stability/power, while maintaining its spin potential its giving me. Right now, it's really whippy and I'm generating uber amounts of topspin with it, with a little heaviness to the ball. However, I can't quite get enough pace to make my shots more heavy, which is what I'd like to do, while still maintaing its manuverability. I feel like I'm whipping the racquet against the ball and it's not plowing through quite enough.

    Where should I start out? I just added 2 grams at 12. Should I counterbalance it, or would that just let the racquet remain whippy? How much more weight should I add at 12, or wherever so that I can increase power/plow through while still retaining manuverability?

    Thanks alot!
     
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  22. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Are you saying it feels a bit sluggish on serves? There could be two reasons to this. Either you have too much lead in the head, or the counterbalance is a bit high for you. Based on what you're saying about feeling the counterbalance weight, I think you should lower it, and maybe reduce the amount. How much did you use?! :shock:

    I say try a depolarized setup. Lead at 3&9. I find 12 to just add to the whippiness and spin. But doing that, you can hit your topspin drives harder, because of the added safety of the spin. Though if you want the racket to be generating the power, lead it up at 3&9, try it out, then counterbalance if you like it.
     
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  23. Kcraig

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    Ended up refiguring my lead setups after my initial hit--now I only have 6g at 22.75" on a 27.25" stick which is pretty much 2.5/9.5 on the stick. See specs in sig. When using the TW calculator, the plowthrough def increased from stock specs and are now about equal to the pstgt which I loved the plow feeling.

    FullCourt--as you mentioned in your response to JackB1--I think I too was sluggish in serving in my original setup of 6.75g at 10/2 and because of the 8g I had at 7"--too much counterbalance and when I weighed the stick it was 12.45oz--which is a little too much for me and 338 SW. Turns out that my 16g gut/16g poly strings weigh a little more than other strings I had in there before (17gpoly/16g syn).
    Will try this new setup again if it EVER stops raining down here!:evil:
     
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  24. Cengusiento

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    WHAT AN AMAZING THREAD!!

    Thank you xFull for all your time dedicated to post your comments.

    I'm a fan of testing and customizing rackets, so I'm enjoing the thread a lot as you supose.

    I've a question about the method you link about leading up (depolarizing) a racket. Why it is better to take a thin beam racket (instead of a thick beamed one) to depolarize it?

    And one question more, I've been played for a long time with a wilson nblade (currently using a babolat PD GT), and I've seen you did it too. I've interested in your experiences customizing this impressive racket (I've also played with kblade 98 and found it nothing special), and how good you think this rackets is, in terms of weight distribution.

    Thank you very much
     
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  25. JackB1

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    I only went around the handle twice with 1/2 lead tape, so it wasn't much.
    Maybe 4-6 grams? But when I was serving, I could feel that "concentrated" weight right above my right hand and it just felt awkward to me. I guess I would get used to it, but it felt like it made it harder to serve accurately.
    I know its supposed to feel "different", because it IS different, but I guess maybe I added too much at once. I should probably go in smaller incriments so it isn't so noticeable.
     
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  26. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Well, it's probably something to do with flexibility and not shanking the ball. The thing with depolarizing a racket is it puts a LOT of power into the racket (assuming your technique is solid and can handle the extra heft). So the only way you can reduce the power is with increased tensions, slower swing speeds (hence SW2's general popularity), and by making the racket more flexible. It's what they did to Taylor Dent's racket. It had so much mass and power that it would rocket the ball off the strings. So Wilson made it incredibly flexible (this was when he switched to Wilson). Remember the old wood rackets? There's a reason that they're lack so much power even though they weigh 400+ grams - they're incredibly flexible! If they were as stiff as a graphite racket, then they'd be incredibly powerful, and I'd love playing with them as much as, if not more than, any stock graphite I've hit with or ever will hit with.

    Sampras sort of went the other way of Dent, stringing his racket at 75 pounds (+/-5)!!! Though Dent does string at pretty high tensions, his tensions are much lower than Sampras'. Both rackets are well into the SW2 categories, but I think Sampras' was also farther into that range as well. They could handle the heft, so their rackets gave them incredible amounts of power and control.

    I've tried depolarizing a thick beamed racket, and it worked pretty well except for one thing - it was hell to put heavy spin on the groundstrokes. But I don't like anything with a thick beam anyways. But that racket was quite an odd one to begin with...

    I've only occasionally hit with my friend's nBlade 98. But I must admit, it was quite a pleasing experience. It really lacked in power, which was it's main downfall in my eyes, though that could easily be fixed with some added weight. If Wilson produced that racket at maybe 1-2 ounces heavier, I might actually switch from my K90s. It had a nice feel, was pleasantly flexible, and overall it felt like I could do a lot with the ball. The slices were pretty amazing, and due to the lack of weight, I could really get the racket through the ball quickly (though I didn't generate that heavy of a shot). The thing I loved was the absense of a trampoline feeling on contact. That could be because of the string tension (of what it was I am unsure of), but it is something you rarely find in a majority of tennis rackets. That dead feeling is really what you're looking for when trying to rip on groundstrokes. That "lively" or "pocketing" feeling on the strings tend to go against you if you're not making contact perfectly in the center, and things will tend to spray a little off target. As a result, with those rackets I generally will use more spin (as well as stringing higher to deaden the feeling as much as possible), but with this racket I could easily hit flat and not worry about the ball flying on me. It already had that dead feel on it, which is something big hitters will truly appreciate. It was like a Yonex racket, but with far more feedback, a better feel at contact, easier to swing, and far more controlled. It's probably the lightest stock racket I can use, and it's at an ounce lower than my minimum weight category! As for it's weight distribution, it's hard to say for sure since it's so light, but I'd say a lot of weight is in the handle, which makes it so easy to swing. And for customizing it, I think it's a perfect candidate for a depolarized setup. That dead and perfectly flexible feel (not too flexible, nicely firm, but not too stiff) will do very nicely with a heavy setup. I really don't think a polarized setup will be as nice because I think this stick shines when you really want to take big cuts on the ball, though it's low weight gives plenty of room to polarize it exactly to where I'd want. It might do well with a polarized setup, but I don't need added depth control, because it's all there already. Depends on you style though I guess. It's the only light racket that I've truly enjoyed hitting with and felt like it's performed well for me as it is in stock form. Granted, power was a bit lacking due to mass like I said, but the control and feel were priceless.
     
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  27. Djoker_69

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    it changes weight, balance and torsonnal stability
     
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  28. Cengusiento

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    Thank you very much xFull,

    I totally agree with you in your comments about the wilson nBlade.

    Now I'm in love with the news PD GT, but I'm going to depolarize my old nBlade for sure, and see what it happens.

    For me, the only downside of the nBlade is exactly the lack of torsional stability, that when combines with the low stiff rating it makes difficult to punch high agressive inverted drives (it twist a lot and I couldn't find a clean shot).
     
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  29. (K)evin

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    okay so I understand this completely but have a question.

    what does a player like stepanek hope to achieve with lead only on the 3 and 12 o clock positions and holding the racquet the same way everytime? is it like he is trying to hybrid the polarized and depolarized set up?
     
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  30. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    1 - I expect a physics Ph.D in the mail! :twisted: (medical works too) Also, a call with a job offering from Wilson or Priority One would be equally satisfying. Sad to say though, if both offered me the job, I'd pick Wilson. Can't really argue with the people who actually make racket FRAMES (I'd sneak a few promising models home now and then and play around with them). I'd just hire Priority One after to do my grips. Haha.

    2 - Hmmm... You actually gave me a great idea! I'll force heavy amounts of lead down my opponent's throat, as well as injecting it directly into their bloodstream. From there, I'll push for an hour or so and hope they drop dead, forfeiting the match. Haha. Just kidding!

    3 - I play from 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM. But the clock on the court lights changed, so now I'm looking at 7:30 PM (sometimes 7 PM) to 9:30 PM. If I go to UC Riverside's courts though, it depends on when I get there and how long I want to stay (12 AM latest). That's just weekdays though. Weekends are very different based on if I decide to play or not.

    Yeah, aside from it's lack of mass, I felt the nBlade is essentially THE closest you can get to THE perfect racket.

    O.O You sure he does that? Do you have pictures? I'm sure if he places lead at 3, he places the same amount at 9 as well...
     
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  31. Groove Dude

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    First off, this is a very informative thread. Great read.

    I've got a question for Dr. Lead Tape.

    I've been using an APD original for some time now, and have been experimenting with lead tape. I ended up putting 7g in the handle and 6g at 12 o'clock. I noticed I was able to hit bigger, but my consistency declined, and I frequently was shanking balls.

    So, I've spread the 6g at 12 o'clock around. I've currently got 2g at 3, 2g at 9, and 2g at 12 with the 7g still in the handle. I've yet to play with it, but what would be your opinion of this setup in theory?
     
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  32. (K)evin

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    O.O You sure he does that? Do you have pictures? I'm sure if he places lead at 3, he places the same amount at 9 as well...[/QUOTE]

    Well I'm not good at finding pictures but I did notice it during one of his matches in Paris. the bosworth logo was always the "right" way when he served and rallied. And the source for the information on his lead setup was on Greg Raven's website in the random pro specs section I think.
     
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  33. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Depends on what you're looking for... Haha.

    Going for spin, I'd go for the setup you started with - it's actually what Nadal does, only he uses different amounts (Greg Raven speculates 9 grams under the bumper and 2 in the buttcap).

    Going for added stability, I'd say screw the lead at 12.

    To solve shanking balls I suggest looking at your stroke up to contact. Rackets don't fix problems in stroke mechanics, they only compliment and improve parts of your game in order to maximize your performance.

    As for your current setup, I'd say you could use more lead at 3&9. Compared to before, it will be a little more stable, but personally 4 grams isn't too much (but I use very heavy rackets). I'd say 6 is a good number to start with.

    It all really depends on your type of game and what you're looking for. I honestly feel like the depolarized setup works very well for a high majority of players out there. The polarized setup is for people who rely heavily on spin, and pretty much make a living off that (Nadal, Federer, clay court players in general). Most people don't seek to put a high percentage of the racket head speed they generate into spin. More people generally go either to a heavy flat ball, or a moderate to heavy topspin drive - basically something aggressive, using pace and placement to dictate the point, which works better on hard courts. I see very few people who would genuinely benefit more from a polarized setup than a depolarized one. That will probably change in a decade or two, but as it is now, depolarized setups are still the more dominant setups because they work better for a majority of the styles that we currently have.
     
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  34. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    A LOT of people do that. Haha. I do it, Federer does it, and I'm sure Nadal ABSOLUTELY does it the way he is.

    As for him only having lead at 3 but not 9, maybe you couldn't see it from the angle? If he really does have it like that, it must be pretty unstable at contact, though it'll always twist the same way. Haha. Maybe that's what he wants?
     
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  35. Rob_C

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    I have a question.

    I have 4 inch strips at 3 & 9. For the weight I'm adding under the grip, should I add it in 4 inch strips along the two bevels that parallel the string bed, or should I divide the strips into 4s, or 8s??

    Also, for the 7 inch mark up from the buttcap, should 1/2 of the weight be above, and below that 7 inch mark??

    Lastly, are these strips to be added vertically, or horizontally??

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  36. (K)evin

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    no no I'm pretty sure I tried to see and he didn't (otherwise my eyes are pretty bad)

    but what if he was doing this kind of set up on purpose. my guess was he was doing it for a bit more spin or kick on his serve like making the edge come over the ball more since more weight would be on the 9 o clock?
     
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  37. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Boy, that's what the lead at 12 is for. :) And lead at BOTH 3&9 would do that and much more (and far more effectively unless he grew up swinging axes).
     
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  38. JoelMaxx

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    Wow, what a great thread!!!
    Thanks for all the great info xFCTx.

    I've recently dived in the world of lead tape customizing. Its a slippery slope.

    I play with a YT Rad Lite. Lots of room for customizing. So to add weight and maintain SW, I added about 1.5 oz in the handle only. Great whipping action. And serving was easy.

    But man..my elbow is killing me after 2hrs of practice. Before I added the lead, I had no pain. Should I move more weight to the head or throat area? Do you think that would help?

    thanks man :)
     
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  39. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    I'd just wrap it horizontally around the bare pallet. Unless you add a LOT of weight you won't even notice it too much. I put 14 grams at the top of the bare pallet (where it starts to actually slope down to the frame) and didn't notice anything when I finished (but that was where 7" above the buttcap was). Try to wrap it around right on the 7 inch mark. You won't notice much of a bulge unless you're going to add double digit amounts of weight. If you do, you can just cut the length you're adding in half and wrap them next to each other, with the part where they meet at the 7" mark.

    :shock::shock::shock::shock: 1.5 ounces into the handle?! At first glance I thought you meant grams, and wondered how such a small change could be so noticeable for you. DON'T ADD 1.5 OUNCES PURELY INTO THE HANDLE! (especially the buttcap) BAD IDEA! It doesn't even add power! You're actually LOSING power!

    Either play it stock form, or move some of that weight from the handle to the head. Don't worry about the increase in swingweight. Just relax your arm during the swing and you should still be able to handle it very easily. Let the racket's momentum do the work.

    If anything, you can never go wrong by adding weight to 3&9 alone, but you always risk something going wrong adding weight only to the buttcap. That's why a majority of professional rackets are actually more head heavy than the stock versions we get.

    You can keep the weight in the handle, if you counterbalance it with at least 1-1.2 ounces to the head (again, that amount is MINIMAL). So I recommend moving some of the weight in the handle to the head.
     
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  40. JoelMaxx

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    LOL...I meant to add maybe .7 oz of lead along the pallet, but I got carried away.

    I move much of the weight to 3/9 position and the throat area. I got a league game tonight. Should be better.

    So I wonder, and perhaps this is all relative, whats more important... SW or HL/HH-ness of a racket?
     
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  41. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    By far the swingweight. Though generally (depending on the weight of your racket), going too head heavy means it's too heavy to swing; while going too head light means you have no power and need some lead in the head.

    Problem with too head heavy is that the only remedy is to remove weight from the head, the reapply weight appropriately (some in head and some in handle as counterbalance). Sometimes that isn't possible.

    A balance of 4-9 points headlight (.5'-1 1/8') is what I recommend aiming for. However, when aiming for this, you must have added weight to BOTH the head and handle (though you can get away with adding weight to just the head, but not visa versa).

    Like I said earlier, you want to hit the swingweight that is most comfortable to you but add weight that maximizes the characteristics you want improved in your racket while staying in that swingweight range. It's all trial and error though. Nobody gets it right the first time. The only ones who'd come even close would be physics M.D.s and Ph.D.s that know exactly what the racket user wants, which is never true. We never know what the player wants unless we are that player. Even then, it's a bit tricky.
     
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    xFullCourtTenniSx,

    I certainly understand the pain of emails :).

    I'll give the TW system a try first then I'll bug u to death :lol:

    Thanks

    mawashi
     
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    First, thanks for one of the most interesting and informational thread and to those who shared their knowledge.

    Now, I'm in the middle of searching for my next stick. Going already through 15 or more demos, I still couldn't find one that plays to my liking. They are either too light, or too heavy [or have a too heavy S/W]. Currently play mostly with an old Volkl V1 Quantum which is pretty close to what I'd like my next one to be.

    Related to this thread though, and the amount of customization some go through, I wonder if getting a fairly light stick, with even balance and then leading it up to achieve better head stability and whatever HB wouldn't do the trick?
     
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    Most interesting thread.
    I have a question.
    I have the Kblade team (104") and the Dunlop 4D 300, now I'm thinking of leading it up but I've never tried before. I bought a set of lead tape today but don't know exactly where to add.
    For the Blade team, I want to have a little more power for baseline groundstrokes.
    I tried to add ~ 6g on the top of the handle (below the Dunlop logo on the throat) but never had a chance to play because of the snow.
     
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  45. ryangoring

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    To the lead Doc, and others, what are the results or what occurs when you add lead the handle/butt cap and at 3 and 9.
    I was searching thru the thread but to avail.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Very well written and informative posts here (And I only go through the 1st page!)


    Many thanks, this provided quite a bit of insight!
     
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  47. Frankauc

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    just added lead to a racket for the fist time.

    is it a good start in terms of placement and amount of weight?
    gamma t-7

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    i just tried the nadal setup. apdc racket strung with lux bb alu spin at 53lbs. i added 9 grams at 12 and 2 grams in the butt cap in the handle. it swings noticeably heavier. but i used to play with a ps 6.0p 85 so im accustomed to a heavy racket. what i like about the stock apdc is the racket head speed i can get to pound topspin winners from most spots on the court. adding the lead tape did not slow down my swing. but it
    added a lot of juice to my stuff. the racket felt much more solid on impact and the spin and power is very controlled. as long as i did not get lazy and not follow thbrough on my strokes. i played 2 days now on this setup and i love it. the mechanics of my swing are sound so i do not have many errors. this just added weight to my already hard top spin shots. im loving it.
     
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  49. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Well, that would work if you didn't care about the feel. Granted a heavily depolarized setup will deaden the feel (might be partially caused by the high tensions required to keep this rocket launcher setup from sending balls into orbit), but you still want something with a feel you like. But in terms of general playability, it is entirely theoretically possible. But don't start with a head heavy racket. I'd try to avoid even balanced rackets and go to head light rackets, but both can be worked with. Head heavy rackets just aren't worth the pain to work with.

    Lead at 3&9, and LOTS OF IT! Haha. I've played with the nBlade and the thing felt great, aside from the lack of mass in the head. For the [K]Factor version you might not need as much because of the increased stiffness. And the last and only time I tried adding lead to my one and only Dunlop right above the handle, I created a monster. :shock: Try adding some lead at 3&9 with it.

    Basically an easy to weild depolarized setup. If you add heavy amounts of weight to those positions, the racket will feel more flexible. If you add enough, it will feel exactly like a wood racket! Haha. (No joke though.) Easier through the air (as long as you don't overdo the weight, like all other setups) but less power overall. Still, the fact that you can whip it around so well means it'll retain most of the original characteristics with more power. A standard depolarized setup is more like a baptism - your racket becomes reborn into an entirely different monster.

    Looks good, but the real question is do you like the feel and performance?

    The Nadal setup is a AeroPro Drive with a AeroPro Drive Cortex paintjob, with a 4 1/4 grip, strung with Babolat Durolast at 55 lbs (on hard courts presumably), with 9 grams across the top of the hoop added under the bumber and 2 grams in the buttcap. You came close though! Haha. My friend tried the setup, and after he got over his love of Nadal, he realized it wasn't for him. Only thing he was missing was the paintjob too. Haha.

    But yeah, a polarized setup is pretty amazing in terms of spin. The more weight you add though, the crazier it becomes (though if it's not broken, don't fix it right?).

    What grip size do you use? I personally can't use the AeroDrive line (or any Babolat racket really) because it just doesn't really fit with my more classical style of hitting. They feel very strange when hitting an eastern forehand and a one handed backhand. It could just be me though. I like the classic feel of more old school and conventional rackets. I started with the Prince CTS Approach Oversize, and now use the K90s, but occasionally I go back and hit with the CTS (leaded up of course) and it still plays extremely well. The feel is excellent (even with a dead poly) and if I had to use a oversize racket, that would be my first pick. Problem is, oversized rackets suck on low balls, so I'll stick with my midsize. Plus, there's less of a trampoline effect, which is one of the top things I look for in a racket nowadays.
     
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  50. Alan_Hill

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    I add 3g at 3&9 (6g total) and 4g on the top of the handle (7 inches above the buttcap as you wrote on 1st page). Same way on the Dunlop 4D 300 Tried to swing and it's noticeable heavier.
    Another question, how the balance changed after leading ?
    - Kblade team balance: 4.2pts Head Light / 32.5cm
    - Dunlop 4D 300 balance: 3pts Head Light / 33cm
     

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