League Play V. Tournament Play

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Carlito, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. Carlito

    Carlito Semi-Pro

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    Lots of talk here about Leagues but not so much about tournaments (ntrp). Anyone here play tournaments more than than leagues? I used to do both but too much politics in league play. Some guy actually filed a complaint about me once and the issue got all weird. Personally tournaments are more fun for me. Stiffer competition. Anyone else?
     
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  2. ssgator80

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    Only play tournaments. I dont have the time or inclination for all the BS that leagues seem to produce.
     
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  3. Dave Mc

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    For some odd reason, I'm much more about playing tournaments than leagues. I try to play most of the senior M45S and level M4.5S tournaments around town and my section, and I even sometimes plan vacations around national senior tournaments across the country. When I enter tournaments, I really look forward to it. However, our tennis club is all about leagues, and the level M4.5 captain is always bugging me about playing on their team. So I tried it one year, and there were some weeks when I really enjoyed it, but there were some weeks when I was hoping it would rain. I'm not really sure why... maybe subconsciously I have more respect for tournaments than leages, I don't know.
     
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  4. rasajadad

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    I love tournament play too. But I play my age group rather than my NTRP. In 4.5 tournaments I still see too many ill-mannered kids. (I am 55.) In my age group, it's a great bunch of guys. As a plus, at senior tournaments, I am usually in the youngest age bracket!
     
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  5. ssgator80

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    I'm 47 and play only the 4.5's. I always thought when I hit 50. I will start playing my age group. The last two tournaments I have been beaten by 20 something's that were the teaching pros at the facilities. Most of the guys, however, that play these 4.5 tournaments on a regular basis and ranked are generally 40- to early 50's - so it tends to be pretty good tennis.
     
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  6. dafox

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    I too only play in NTRP tournaments. It has been my experience that the competition in tournaments is much tougher than the leagues. For example, a computer rated 4.0 or 4.5 player in a league could be the top person on\in his team\division, but when it comes to playing in a tourney they get taken out in the first round of the NTRP tourney. I am going to try out some of the age bracket tourneys next year...looking forward to it and I have heard the competition is even more fierce.
     
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  7. JoelDali

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    This was discussed in a recent post pretty extensively. No wonder few tt Legends are replying.
     
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  8. goober

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    Interesting I have found the exact opposite in my area. I use to play tournaments exclusively. I started playing leagues and realized the top players in leagues basically rarely played NTRP tourneys because they didn't want to get bumped. If they did play tourneys, it usually was open or age group. NTRP tourneys anybody could sign up for, so for example a 4.0 tourney would have a lot of weak 4.0s or even 3.5s playing up. I would say that any of the #1 singles players on all except the weakest teams would make finals or at least the semis of any NTRP tourney they entered. I would estimate that probably half of the draw if not more would not play singles on most league teams.
     
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  9. smoothtennis

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    I used to play exclusively NTRP tournaments - but have tried my hand at leauge play this fall. They are pretty different. I love the tournament format, the building excitement of each match, etc. But fitness must be there to go three or more matches hard.

    I love the team thing too. I am playing with a bunch of cool guys and the teams we have played (4.5) have all been very cool older guys with some nice skills. Everybody so far seems to just enjoy playing each other.

    In my area - the top 4.0's in tournament play are all borderline 4.5's and many play 4.5 USTA teams - kinda weird. Every area will be different in this regard I think.
     
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  10. dafox

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    I think what you say may be true of some of the smaller draw NTRP tourneys even in my area, but the more popular\bigger draw tourneys have much more fierce competition than league tennis...I have been amazed at how serious people take NTRP tourneys.
     
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  11. ssgator80

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    Smoothtennis,

    You're right about having to be in pretty good shape for the tournaments. To win some, you have to play 4 matches in 2 days and that can be brutal down here in FL, especially during the summer. I used to be so sore I could hardly walk the next week. But I've gotten used to it. Stamina plays a big role, along with luck of the draw.
     
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  12. MomentumGT

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    I play league for the team aspect. I play tournaments to test myself and see if I'm actually improving and so that I'm more motivated to train more physically off court to get ready for the tournament. League requires little fitness when you're thumping everyone. :twisted:

    -Jon
     
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  13. Geezer Guy

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    I play NTRP leagues, NTRP tournaments and age-division tournaments. Generally I like tournaments more than leagues and I like NTRP tournaments more than age-division tournaments. The NTRP competition you know is going to be good in both leagues and tournaments. The age-division stuff you just never know. I've had some where I got bounced easily (laughingly) the first round and others that I've actually won because of not much competition in my age-range.
     
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  14. Carlito

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    How are your tourny result compared to league results? I haven't lost a league match in a while but I do lose in tournaments. That's why I say tournaments are tougher.

    Also, I know for a fact that there is more sandbagging in Leagues. I was surprised by what some captains will do to put together a team that can compete in nationals.
     
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  15. JavierLW

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    Tournaments are tougher in my area as well.

    Usually it's full of almost every player that you can conceive as a sandbagger or marque player from the league.

    But just because they exist doesnt mean I think there is "more of them" in the league, most weeks we play some normal team that never wins first and everything is cool. (except for this year when we won most of our matches locally and people might cry that we're the sandbaggers this year)

    I dont know, I think there is just as much sandbagging in tournaments really.

    You dont have to self rate usually to play in one (unless they've fixed that), and since there is an immediate prize all it takes is for one person to way underrate themselves and they will probably tear thru everyone and feel like a million bucks.

    It's just not as difficult to do so necessarily or as obvious (less rules around ratings) as it is to make it all the way to Nationals in a league, so you dont have to go too crazy.

    Plus in a league at least you get to play X number of matches for your money. Whether you want to cry that you're losing to sandbaggers or cheaters or whatever, at least you're playing and getting something out of it.

    In a tournament in a lot of cases that affects your price structure a lot more because if you lose one match you are done for the weekend. (and if you are like me you've made no plans for the entire weekend figuring you're in a tournament and now you have a lot of time on your hands)

    Although on the other hand I think if there were more people playing tournaments it wouldnt be as bad, because odds would be higher that you'll get a better match every once in awhile, but if it's a small draw it's usually the very same people you might of run into in the league anyway.
     
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  16. Carlito

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    It seems to me that sandbagging in Leagues is more blatant and intentional than tournaments. The people I worry about most in tournaments are self rated first timers. Those are the ones that tend to overrate or underrate. MOST people dont want to pay $25-$50 to go through everyone in the draw 6-2, 6-2.

    Leagues are different. The really competative teams will stack their teams as heavily as they can get away with.

    Also I don't like doubles that much. Most of the league season is dedicated to doubles.
     
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  17. Dave Mc

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    Another reason I prefer tournaments over leagues, is that tournaments are played during the day (mostly), and leagues are at night. I wear contacts, and ever since I got into my 30's, playing at night seemed to get more and more difficult. And now, the deeper I get into my 40's, the more that my issues with depth perception and reaction time under the lights make playing league unpleasant.
     
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  18. iankogan

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    Denver/Boulder CO, 3.5 NTRP: I play both leagues and tournaments. It seems that around here, at this NTRP level, the players who advance to the final rounds in tournaments all play leagues, with very few exceptions, and dominate the league play (i.e lose very few league matches, if any). So I'd say the level of play is generally higher in tourneys. Of course the luck of the draw always plays a part in the early rounds (a sore spot with me at the moment... :evil:) Few 'casual' players in tournaments in my observation; quite a few in the leagues. Don't know about other places, but around here the leagues are almost as much about socializing and drinking beer (not that there is anything wrong with it) as about tennis. The tourneys on the other hand are all about competing.
     
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  19. iankogan

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    Dave, I'm not here to offer medical advice, and this is off-topic, but... I'm 45 and had LASIK two years ago. It got me back in the game.
     
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  20. goober

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    My night vision was never quite as good post LASIK compared glasses.
     
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  21. JavierLW

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    Yes you may be right about the competitive teams, but you dont face a "competitive team" every week necessarily. (and like I said if you do the effect is somewhat less of a disaster if you lose)

    You are right about the doubles. 6 out of 8 people have to play doubles and unless you're the greatest singles player in the league you pretty much have to assume that being a part of these teams is really about playing doubles.

    That's why I always say if someone mainly wants to play singles they should just play in tournaments. (hopefully enough people sign up though that it's worth their while)

    Or you can sometimes find a captain that will let you play singles, but you cant always guarantee that.

    That's also why I think a league team is a lot more fun for some people when they buy into the whole team concept, and not as just some tool to get their weekly tennis in. If someone is really into the idea of being on a team it's a lot of fun. (if it's run right)

    But if someone doesn't really care about that and they just want the pure tennis "me against the world" deal, then they are better off in tournaments. (or maybe some sort of club league or singles challenge ladder or something that isnt a "team" sport)

    (I like a little of both)
     
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  22. jmnk

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    yah, what's the story with doubles? is it so the court time ends up being cheaper per player? I've played leagues in the past but because i couldn't play singles every time i just stopped.
     
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  23. JavierLW

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    A lot of people like doubles.

    And if you're going to get more people involved you can do it easier by making doubles matches. You already need 5 courts to play, and if you need more that could make it a little hard to find courts in some spots.

    I think the deal with the leagues is there is a whole contingent of adults who mainly started as adults and they play tons of doubles.

    And the advent of the indoor club player means that most players are playing doubles anyway for the exact reasons you mention, it's cheaper per player.
    was playing singles in the first place. We only had 2 or 3 people playing singles (and they were decent at it), so they are really dissing a small subset of people which isnt really fair.
     
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  24. naplesfltennis

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    Totally agree!!!
     
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