leather grip weight vs synthetic

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  1. d wayne

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    I am currently using Gamma HiTec synthetic grips on my Dunlop mFil 300 rackets. They are out of spec, so I had removed the bumper guard from one to try to lessen the amount of lead needed on the other, but the swing of each racket feels different due to change in weight distribution.
    I plan to have the bumper guard replaced next time I string it. Obviously, I will need to add more lead to the other to get them matched.
    Once this is done, I will need to add weight in the handle to bring the balance back to its current state.
    I am considering going to leather grips instead of adding lead in the handle.
    Does anyone know the difference in weight between a leather grip & the HiTec I currently use? I wrote Gamma but got a reply that there is not much difference. I am guessing that the leather grip is at least 1/10 or 2/10 ounce heavier.
    Any help is appreciated
     
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  2. SteveI

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    Yes,

    Leather grips do weigh more.. and will add static weight to a frame making it more head light. NoBadMojo does this with his Volkl set-up to make the frame more head light.. he also shaves the head/bumper guard to make it even more head light and reduce sw. Yes.. and that will mean you have to add less lead tape. Hope this helps!

    Hope this helps
     
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  3. d wayne

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    Thanks, Steve. I want to wait until I have the bumper guard reinstalled. I only removed it from one because I didn't want to use too much lead on the other while trying to match them. However, the swing feels much different even though the weight is the same on both.
    I planned on adding lead in the handle, but think that leather grip may do just as well. Not sure how much reinstalling the bumper guard will move the balance to the head, but certain that the leather will more than balance it out.
    I learned my lesson with this- even if rackets are from the same lot, still weigh & balance them before making the purchase.
     
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  4. Jalapeno2006

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    I have asked the same question many times. I have heard that leather ways 11g more than a typical synthetic, i have heard it weighs 14 g more, and i have heard that it weighs 16 g more. Though i don't know the specifics on which synthetics and which leather grips these people were using, i imagine that the variation occurs in those factors. Switching to a leather grip, depending on your racquet, can change your balance by as much as 4 pts HL. i have been told. I am about to switch to leather on my LM radical and hope that it does something for feel and balance.
     
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  5. d wayne

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    I just saw another thread in which the poster mentioned buying a Wilson racket. His first modification was adding a leather grip, which added .3 oz to the racket weight, which works out to approx 8 1/2 grams difference.
    As for my sticks, I stuck with the HiTec synthetic, removed head tape from the heavier one(had used it to replace bumper guard). Both rackets are now 11.0 even.
    I had previously used a 11.5 oz racket, but find I am playing better with this weight. It is still sturdy enough. However, anything below this and I can feel the lightness
     
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  6. Larry Baldridge

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    Leather grips can enhance the "feel" of a racquet in a number of ways. --The feel of the bevels for sure, but also the feel of the ball coming off the strings. Some leather grips can also add weight to the handle, rendering a more head-light balance. Here are some specs on grip weights and other items that may help you determine some variables that affect weight and balance:
    Fairway Leather - 25g
    Wilson Leather - 22g
    Head Leather - 23g
    Pacific leather -18g
    Volkl Leather -30.4g
    All of the above are untrimmed, straight from the package
    Gamma Hi-Tech Perforated Replacement Grip - 19g/.67 oz [trimmed to fit]
    Babolat "0" vibration dampener - 3.8g/.135 oz
    Wilson Pro Feel vibration dampener - 2.5g/.090 oz
    #10 rubber band - .7g/.025 oz
    16g string in 18 X 20 pattern - 15.9g/.56 oz
    Yonex Super Grap overwrap - 5.7g/.20 oz
    Wilson Butt cap w/ removable window - 10g/.355 oz
    Volkl Soft Butt Cap - 9.4g/.330 oz
    Elasto Cross II - 2.3g/.082 oz.[entire contents less applicator]
     
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  7. SteveI

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    Wow Larry,

    Great post.. I was just going to add that it depends on which leather grip you are installing. Have a great day!

    Steve
     
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  8. NoBadMojo

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    I go by feel, seldom feeling the need to measure anything, and I can confirm that the Volkl leather grips feel noticeably heavier and feel thicker as well. The others pretty much feel the same to me. That's great you took the time to measure that stuff Larry..good work man!
     
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  9. Jalapeno2006

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    Where can i find a Fairway leather grip?
     
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  10. Larry Baldridge

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    Gamma Hi-Tech Perforated Grip: 19g/.67 oz
    Leather Grip weights:Fairway-25g/Wilson-22g/Head-23g/Volkl-30.4g
    note: contrary to popular belief, the Volkl IS heavier than Fairway although my Volkl measurement is with a bit more length
     
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  11. Michael82

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    If you google for fairway leather grip, it will come up a few websites. Among those, there's one dodgy ( I say dodgy because of the website, it actually provides excellent services) site from London, England still carries genuine fairways. Good quality!
     
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  12. doriancito

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    i didnt read the first post it seemed to long, but if you are comparing the weight of each, then ofcourse the leather is heavier, a bout 5 more grams, this will create a balance more to the "south" of the racquet
     
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  13. jerry fisher

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    thickness of leather grip

    I am looking to add 1/2 size to my racquet. Can you tell me which leather grip
    is thicker. I like an overgrip also so I tried two overgrips and I lose the bevels.
     
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  14. Colpo

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    In my informal experience, I've found that a leather grip adds about half an ounce of weight to a frame's static weight, even more to the swing weight. It's a great way to get a firmer base grip, a more manuverable frame and a weightier frame in one swoop.
     
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  15. dcreasy55

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    I would imagine that it would slightly depend on the length of your grip aswell.
     
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  16. joe gomes

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    Larry, out of the following leather grips which one is the most thin.

    Fairway Leather - 25g
    Wilson Leather - 22g
    Head Leather - 23g
    Pacific leather -18g
    Volkl Leather -30.4g

    Thanks Joe
     
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  17. artworks

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    Due to blisters, I've recently replaced the leather grips of my new Wilson ncode 6.1 Tour 90 racquets to Dunlop hydramax (grip of my old Dunlop 300G) synthetic grips. The weight difference is minimal @ .2 oz, ie. from 12.5oz with the leather grip to 12.03oz with the sythetic grip. Consequently, the racquet balance is now around 9 pts HL from 12 pts with the leather grips.

    I found the switch to improve my swings and more importantly, gave my hand comfort and improve my blisters.
     
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  18. rasajadad

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    Grip Weights

    Got another one to add to the above:
    Babolat Leather- 15g
    Untrimmed, straight from the package.
     
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  19. Duzza

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    What company made Fairway Grips? Fairway?
     
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  20. arifed

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    ... it means that babo leather weights less than gamma Hi-Tech perforated replacement grip, doesn't it?
     
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  21. rasajadad

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    Gamma Hi Tech vs Babolat Leather

    Yes. If I read the posts correctly, the Babolat UNTRIMMED weighs less then the Gamma TRIMMED. Be aware that the Babolat is very long. If you don't overwrap it to create ridges, you'll trim off quite a bit. As I mentioned earlier, the Babolats edges are beveled so that when only slightly ovelapped produce a flat grip surface.
     
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  22. arifed

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    Thanks a lot rasajadad!
     
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  23. rasajadad

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    Any time, Arifed!
     
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    e. b. balmforth ltd
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    leeds ls7 2ad
     
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  25. praetorian909

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    I'd also like to know which leather grip is thinnest, so is it the Babalot since it's the lightest? Because I'm trying to decrease the handle size on my Tour 90 (maybe only a 1/2 to 1 grip size decrease or so).

    And does anyone know how the replacements grips compare in thickness to the leather ones that are on Wilsons? Would the Wilson replacement be exactly the same?

    Thanks in advance...
     
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  26. Amone

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    The babolat grips are actually said to be the thickest of the lot.

    UPDATE-- I got myself a babolat leather grip, and it's actually thinner looking and feeling than any grip I've used before. Then again, the grip size is smaller too, but it feels a lot smaller than the grip I had on it before (original DNX grip)
     
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  27. praetorian909

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    Hmmm, yea I've been reading posts in the other threads and that seems to be the consensus. Also someone said the Wilson replacement seems to be thicker than the original. Too bad...
     
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  28. MasterTS

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    I'll add to this thread..

    I removed the Duratac off my O3 Hybrid Tour and added a Babolat leather grip.

    The weight increased by .3oz or approximately 9-10 grams. I love the look too!

    [​IMG]
     
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  29. FitzRoy

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    Those do look pretty damn nice.
     
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  30. Ripper

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    MasterTS, did the grip size decrease, increase or remain the same?
     
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  31. Borat

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    How much does Wilson True Replacement grip weigh???? My racquet comes stock with it. How is the feel of Wilson Leather Grips?
     
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  32. nBladed

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    Interesting thread.

    I own a couple of nBlades and a Pure Storm. I already had leather grips on my nBlades which I usually prefer. I did the same for the Babolat. Well, it messed up everything on that racket. It just didn't have the same "spicy" feel to the stringbed. I went back to the comfo grip on the Babolat. That worked out well.

    Because of recent callouses on my thumb and forefinger, I decided to do add a comfo grip to the nBlade. Well it messed that baby up too. It didn't have the same pop as with the leather. So..... I went back to the leather on the nBlade. Volleys and serve do so much better with leather on that racket. Now I have to find a overgrip that is soft. Was using Wilson Pro Overgrip.
     
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  33. wksoh

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    Hi nBladed,..how does the Storm compare to the nBlade? Thanks!
     
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  35. sw00sh

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    What is the weight of Gamma Leather grip compare to those you already weight? Trimmed or untrimmed.

    Thanks!
     
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  36. sw00sh

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    I just changed my Gamma Leather grip on my RDX Mid to Yonex Super Leather grip.

    The Gamma (trimmed) for the stick weighted about 26gm (in Singapore). Whereas the Super Leather grip weighted about 26gm (un-trimmed), straight from the packet.

    My original weight of the RDX with the Gamma Leather is 358gm and now the weight with the Super Leather is 347gm. The difference of 11gm.

    Hope this is useful for those who are interested.

    Thanks.
     
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  37. ShcMad

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    I have 3 Babolat leather grips. The package says it weighs 25 grams untrimmed. Trimmed, I found all of them weigh around 19-20 grams each. I also found out that the Head Hydrocontrol grip and the Gamma Hi-Tech grip weigh about 15grams trimmed.
     
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  38. sw00sh

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    I think the weight is different here. I guess its the part of the world, our gravity pull is probably higher here nearer to equator. :D

    I just reverted my racket grip back to the gamma's cos I find that using the Yonex Super Leather grip, the gripsize somehow is smaller and I can't get use to it.

    Anyway, since I just took out the Yonex Super Leather grip, I can weight it trimmed now (for RDX's grip length) and its only 16gm! Which is exactly the case since my racquet weight 10-11gm lighter than with Gamma Leather Grip. But I think the gripsize is smaller due to the thickness of Yonex's grip.
     
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  39. lawrence

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    i weighed my babolat straight from the packet and it came to 24g or so
    replaced the original grip from my n6.1 team and found that it only changed the balance from even to about 4pts HL or so, even with a tournagrip ontop

    thinking of using wilson pro instead of tourna, in hopes that it may add some more weight.. if not ill be adding an 11g coin to the bottom of my buttcap
     
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  40. Doc Hollidae

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    I've been playing with Vantage Leather grips lately. With poly, the leather is terrible. I feel all the vibrations and my rackets just feels like a board. I then switched to a racket strung with kevlar and instantly felt the difference. Gone was the vibration and the feel was much more solid. So far I'm not so sold on leather grips.

    The Vantage leathers seem to be pretty thin though. So I'm curious what a thicker leather will feel like.
     
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  41. gerikoh

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    hey is there a non overgrip leather(standard) that could increase the grip size from 1/4 to 3/8?
     
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  42. phucng_10

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    For leather you can feel the bevel of the racquet. It's what everyone wants to really feel.
     
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  43. phucng_10

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    Probably the thickest leather grip, which is Gamma I believe or was it Volkl? Don't remember but if you can't get it to the size you want, you can buy the grip increaser or whatever you call it.
     
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  44. BiGGieStuFF

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    how long do you leather users keep your grip on there on average? I'm asking the ones who use the leather w/o the overgrip on it.
     
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  45. gerikoh

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    is there a leather overgrip? ;D
     
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  46. Midlife crisis

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    A leather grip is probably good for at least a year. I used to go through synthetic grips, like the DuraTred, after about six to eight hours of play. I hit my forehand with my thumb crease right on a bevel and the synthetic grips would start coming apart right at that point. I have about eight or nine months on my current leather grip and the leather in that location is just darkened but otherwise fine. The grip overall is a bit more slippery than it used to be when new, so I'll probably replace it soon.

    I've tried some leather care products like Lexol but it seems to swell up the leather a bit and I didn't like that. This swelling seems to go down after a couple of days so only if I'm not playing for a while will I put some on. It definitely seems to help by increasing the tackiness a bit and making the leather a bit softer and more pliable.
     
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  47. keithchircop

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    which leather grip is thickest, Volkl or Prince?
     
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    THe big racquet store in Philadelphia, everyones racquet.
     
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    does anyone know how much the candy cane grips that come with the m-fils weigh?
     
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  50. sw00sh

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    What is the weight of the TW Private label grip? The thick and thin as well as those narrow and wider ones. Can someone comment? Or TW did some measurement?

    Thanks.
     
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