leather grip weight vs synthetic

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  1. jcstennis

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    Classic... good to know, i use "everyones" in south jersey and they don't have them in stock... do you live in the Philly area?
     
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  2. keithchircop

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    How much does a Calfskin grip weigh?
     
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  3. Bud

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    Mine weigh about 25g, right from the package.
     
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  4. JohnP

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    I just put a TW Private label leather grip on my K95. The grip was the "25mm x 1300mm x 1.3mm" size. The racquet, unstrung, with the original Wilson TrueGrip, was 328 grams. The weight with no grip was 310 grams. With the TW Leather grip (trimmed), it was 330 grams. With a Supergrap (trimmed), it was 334 grams. So, from my calculations:

    Wilson TrueGrip (Trimmed): 20g
    TW Private Label Thin and Wide 1.3mm/25mm (Trimmed): 22g
    Yonex Super Grap (Trimmed): 4g

    As a side note, stringing the racquet with NRG2 17 (18x20 string pattern) at 60lbs added 16 grams for a total of 350 grams.

    I'd be interested to know what the weight of the 1.5mm "thick" version of the TW Leather grip is.
     
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  5. GasquetGOAT

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    The thickest I have used is TW label leather in 1.5mm, it will definitely increase half grip size.
     
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  6. hoodjem

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    I recently got two TW leather grips (the thinner one and the thicker one), and a Wilson leather grip. I put them all on (I have four of the same racquet), and within a half-hour I started getting three blisters on my racquet hand: one on the bottom digit of my ring finger, one on my base of my thumb, and one on the heel of my hand.

    I find this amazing considering that this season I have been playing using the stock grips (Wilson Micro-Dry Touch) for months, hours at a time with no blisters.

    Also, three fingers of my racquet hand felt a little numb, though this went away after several more more days of playing. I think I am going to go back to the Wilson Micro-Dry Touch grips. They provide nice cusioning, very good tackiness, fairly good feel for the bevels, good ridges and valleys, and no blisters.

    Is leather worth it?
     
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  7. wjt_tennis

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    I would like to add:

    Wilson True Grip Replacement Grip - 23.3g
    Head Microgel Extreme Pro stock grip - 14.4g
     
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  8. Anton

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    Umm...the leather is most often used as a base for overgrip - try it with Prince Microtec overgrip - nice bevel feel, firm, but great comfort too.
     
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  9. vincent_tennis

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    Well it depends on what u want. If you like the feel of leather and the bevels of the grip then its the best grip out there. Most people use leather as their basegrip and stuff a overgrip over it (thats why overgrips exist :p). IF you arent planning to use an overgrip then sync grips are much better.

    If you looking for a thick, good quality leather i'll suggest the TW leather the 1.5mm thickness and 22mm wide but only IF ur gonna use a overgrip.
    (ITS PROPER LEATHERRRRR) =)
     
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  10. rabidcow

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    I think weight differences in grip could be because many of us weight our synthetic grips after we take them off our racket, they have already had sweat soaked into them adding a couple of grams.

    That being said in my experience (babolat leather) the weight was increased about 8-10g from the original weight and noticeably more headlight
     
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  11. Jamtix

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    Can somebody tell the weight of Yonex Basic Cushion Grip.
     
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  12. crash1929

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    i discovered that leather grips really change the weith distribuition of a stick when I wrapped a babolat pure control with leather instead of the stock rubber grip. HUGE difference in weight/feel
     
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  13. charaseac

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    I like the babolat more than the wilson's.

    I think babolat one is thinner than wilson's. Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?
     
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  14. Jamtix

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    Yonex Basic Cushion Grip (from stock racquet) - 11,3g
    Pacific A.T.P. Leather Grip (trimmed (very small piece) - 22g
    TW Private Label Leather Grip 22mm x 1300mm x 1.5mm Tan (trimmed) - 26,1g (untrimmed > 30g)

    It is no wonder that people who replace grip on Yonex recqet have problems with balance... My last chance - Babolat Leather. Is this realy so lite (15g untrimmed)?
     
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  15. ronalditop

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    leather grip for better control

    will using a leather grip would reduce my racquet´s power? i use three OG with no grip and my balls go off court ( and is not of bad technique, cause I have a pretty good OneHanded backhand and my shots go long). i was using before a synthetic grip and a OG and gives me good control. should I use leather or should I raise the string tension?
     
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  16. Anton

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    NO, adding weight to the racket increases power (on full stroke) - leather will add weight to the handle, so the power increase will not be big, thats it.
     
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  17. ronalditop

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    I thought if I add weight to the handle then swingweight will increase, that means that i will be able to hit harder, meaning that racquet control would raise. is that how it works? im really confused.
     
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  18. Anton

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    Being able to hit harder does not mean more control - your swing will tend to be more fluid with more weight which may help you be more consistent in the long run, but also you'll have to commit to the stroke more which may hurt consistency. It's a bit of a double edged sword.

    btw adding weight to the handle increases the swingweight very minimally, adding it to the top of the loop increases it maximally.
     
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  19. tennis_hand

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    so, how much more weight is added after taking off the synthetic overgrip (Babolat syntec) and wrap a leather grip(Gamma leather)?

    I have 2 more Wilson Pro OGs on top of the leather grip, because the grip size is a little smaller.

    Total more weight added is about 20g?
     
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  20. Anton

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    Probably a little less - around 15g
     
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  21. king of swing

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    Ok so a definite answer would be nice... what is the lightest consider

    1. Leather grip?

    2. Synthetic grip?
     
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  22. stoble

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    Wilson leather thickness

    Okay I know the weight from this thread but I haven't been able to find out what the thickness of the Wilson leather is. Does anyone know?

    Is it thicker than the Babolat Leather?
     
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  23. mctennis

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    GREAT info. Very much appreciated.
     
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  24. Anton

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    synthetic, but you can cut down on weight even more if you use just overgrips
     
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  25. mctennis

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    synthetic is always lighter ..IMHO.
     
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  26. plum

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    Well I just got my POG OS and being only a 3.5-4.0 player I realize this is a little weighty. However, I have been playing half of the summer with an old Prince Graphite XB Comp which is 12.5 or so-- so i have gotten used to it. I am trying to get some power back in my game though and I wanted to make the POG a little more head heavy-- head neutral I think ideally. So I put lead tape on at 3 9 12 etc... To experiment! But after just playing probably around 13+ OZ I think more weight is not good for my elbow and wrist and shoulder possibly. You might ask what is this post doing here but-- I am thinking getting rid of the leather grip, and replacing with a light synthetic, with possible over-grip, would achieve the same objective possibly-- without adding weight-- with a subtraction instead. Maybe someone here with good racquet math can help. How much grip weight to lose-- to turn a 4 pts head light POG OS racquet into head even. I'm guessing that the potential 10 gram or so loss by ditching the leather-- which I don't really care for the extra vibration of anyway-- might do it???:confused: And this would leave me at maybe 11.5 to 11.8 OZ? Instead of 12.2?
     
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  27. Nadal_R

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    I`m using Wilson true grip. My question is: If I get leather grip (Wilson) ,will it increase raquet weight or change balance?
     
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  28. Gugafan

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    It will effect both of the paramaters you have mentioned. Adding some weight to the hoop will restore the balance.
     
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  29. Bud

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    Yep, depends on the weight of the synthetic grip and weight of the leather grip. The total weight also depends on the handle length... and whether you overlap the grip or wrap it so there are ridges. All of that affects weight to some degree.

    On my PK Kinetic 5G's the synthetic grips weigh approximately the same as the TW leather grips (1.3mm) I replaced them with. The leather is also a bit thinner... so the handle size decreased by about a half-size or so.
     
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  30. Bud

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    Perhaps, the only way to know is to weigh them both.

    Before you pull your synthetic grip off... weigh and balance your racquet.

    Then, pull off the synthetic grip and re-weigh the racquet.

    Next, install the leather grip... re-weight the racquet and check the balance. Then, if you find the balance too far off, try adding a tiny bit of weight at 12'oclock until the balance matches stock.

    Don't forget, you'll trim the leather grip when installing it... so it's not accurate to simply weight it right out of the package.

    The difference in the racquet's weight (pre and post leather grip) will be the difference of the leather compared to the synthetic.

    Report back with your findings! :)
     
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  31. Bud

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    TW Leather Grip Mass (25mm)

    Here is the latest info for both 25mm wide TW Leather Grips:

    25 mm x 1.3 mm = 32 grams
    25 mm x 1.5 mm = 36 grams

    These are for the full length.

    I just wrapped a PK 5G (4 1/2") grip with a 25 x 1.5 TW leather grip (overlap so the grip is flat) and it added a heft 28 grams to the static weight. I only had a 4" piece remaining.

    If you want to preserve the true grip size of your racquet, go with the thicker leather grip. You can still feels the bevels really well!
     
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  32. Shangri La

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    Thanks for that... so TW's weight info is not accurate then...
     
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  33. Automatix

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    TW Leather Grip 25mm x 1.5mm... uncut with protecting backing (plastic piece which ensures that the glue doesn't dry out...). I weighed 6 of them. Weight varied from 33,74g to 37,10 grams. Most of them weighed around 35g.

    P.S.: Weighed on a laboratory scale.
     
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  34. federerdomination

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    Sorry if asked b4, but does anyone know the weight of Wilson Pro overgrip?
     
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  35. gonzalocatalino

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    The prince leather grips i own (different colors and sizes) are in the 22-24grs range, if someone is interested.
     
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  36. v205

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    Anyone know the thickness of the Head leather (calfskin) grip??

    Babolat leather packaging says 1.7mm. Pacific calfskin packaging says 1.5mm.

    Anyone compared calfskin leather grips? It's only fairways/barnsworth / head / pacific?
     
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  37. ls206

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    Vantage leather 24g, out of packet, no modification - plastic still on

    [​IMG]
     
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  38. zhassan

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    Do you know what the thickness is?
     
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  39. mikechong

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    Just replaced the stock Hydrosorb grip on my MG Radical Pro with the Babolat leather grip. Untrimmed weight of the Babolat was 26g.
    To find the weight of the trimmed grip, I weighed the racquet after I stripped off the stock grip and again after I wrapped the Babolat on. The trimmed weight was about 21g.
    I wanted to make the racquet more head-light. Adding the leather grip and a yonex supergrap made it 3-4pts more head-light based on my rough measurements.
     
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  40. does leather increase plowthrough?
     
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  41. Help?????????????
     
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  42. ronalditop

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    added weight on a racquet increise plowthrough, and since leather is very heavy, it increises it.
     
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  43. babar

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    So, if I want to remove a Wilson leather grip and replace with a Wilson Contour plus a Wilson Profile overgrip, will the weight remain about the same?
     
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  44. SDTENNIS

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    Which leather grip provides the most cushion?
     
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  45. v205

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    It's actually not very accurate to saw how much a uncut new leather grip weights for comparison as they have different length and width.

    I suppose you can measure it's weight and specify it's length and width to work out the weight per 10 inches etc.
     
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  46. v205

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    I was able to compare TW leather against Head Tour leather. The TW is a firmer and tackier feel. The Head Tour is a softer supple feed which I believe would provide more cushioning than the TW leather.

    But if you are going to put an overgrip on, then the TW leather is a great candidate.

     
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  47. SDTENNIS

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    Thanks. Which one is thicker? I am looking for the thickest/cushionest leather grip. I currently use the wilson and feel its pretty thick. How does the TW & Head version compare?
     
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  48. v205

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    TW and Head Tour are both 1.5mm (which is standard thickness to keep the racket handle the same size as factory). I believe the wilson leather is 1.5mm also.

    I've seen babolat stating 1.7mm on their packaging but most say it's on the firm side. From what you desribe, you need to get Balmsworth leather ($$).

    I wonder if anyone has tried wrapping leather over an over-grip to get some extra underlying cushioning.

    I would suggest you try the Head Tour or try holding a Jokovic Head youtek with Head leather grip to see if you like the feel.
     
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  49. markwillplay

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    Here is what I know.. TW thick leather is heaviest of TW, Head, bab, Wil, ...Head is as thick as the Tw thick but weighs about the same as the bab, wils. I have head leather on my sticks now because I really like the thickness without the extra weight of the tW thick. I have used bab and wilson and the head grip now is my fav by far. Never tried the vantage.
     
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  50. Mansewerz

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    I want to add leather to my Dunlop AG100.

    I don't want to alter grip size or weight. I just want a leather grip that is similar in size and thickness as the Dunlop Hydramax grip or whatever grip that comes on the racket to begin with.
     

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