Lebron or Jordan?

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  1. loci

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    the following question was lifted from espn (lol). isiah thomas said that lebron james is probably a better athlete than michael jordan was. who do you think is the better athlete?

    personally, i would give the slight edge to lebron. undoubtedly, both are incredible physical specimens (when michael was in his physical prime), but lebron just has more mass and incredible power and that amplifies his speed which is necessary for the game. jordan still had that vertical leap and hangtime which he displayed early in his career during the dunking contests. jordan still is the better player. unmatched knowledge, fiercely competitive, had the killer instinct, and deferred to no one. that made him the genius he was, especially when the game was on the line. his ability to rise to the occasion was eerie and probably the only other player who had a gift for converting shots consistently when the stakes were high was reggie miller. man, i miss the good old days of basketball.
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I think I'll take MJ. Simply because he had better skills and an ultimate competitor.

    It's hard to compare their athleticism, because they were different athletes. LeBron is a mack truck, Jordan was more nimble and he'd jab-step and spin you to death.
     
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    Jordan was just unreal when the game was on the line. It was shocking the few times he did not come through because you just expected him to make the play when needed.
     
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    Thats what seperates him as the BEST ever. I used to laugh when people tried to argue that Alex Rodriguez was the best player in baseball when he was easily the least clutch player in the sport. The guy is amost known as much for his choking as he is for his cheating with PEDs so he was a joke to be mentioned that way. MJ not only dominated in the regular season, he dominated in the playoffs and when the game was on the line.
     
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  7. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    And that's why I STILL want Kobe on my team over LeBron. Because if the team can't get it done in 3 quarters, Kobe will say: "F*** it, give me the ball, I'll get it done in the 4th."

    Well, Kobe will say "give me the ball" any time of the game actually.
     
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    You have to admit that if the lakers had Lebron instead of Kobe right now, its impossible to think they would de on the outside of making the playoffs like they are now.
     
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    Better athlete? Close call, maybe Lebron has an edge...better player? not even in the same league, Jordan by a mile
     
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  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah but Lakers' problem isn't because they have Kobe instead of LeBron, it's because they don't stop people and play matador defense instead.

    Kobe can only stop one player, same goes for World Peace. Everyone else is a blowby and a layup drill with NO help.
     
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    I agree their D stinks but I dont think the team would be in the dump if they had Lebron instead of Kobe.
     
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    Hey I just remembered that you sent me an e-mail last week. Sorry I forgot to respond. That thread got deleted right after I posted in it.
     
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    No problem. I wasnt expecting you to respond, was just sending it because it was such a crazy comment
     
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    Jordan by quite a bit.
    Magic Johnson says the same thing.

    There wasn't one of the six world championship finals that Chicago won where Jordan wasn't the MVP.
     
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  15. Disgruntled Worker

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    I never watched Jordan play since it was before my time. But LeBron James is the most physically gifted athlete I've ever seen. If we're talking just strength and speed, I'll take 6' 9" 270lbs over 6' 6'' 220lbs any day. Mind you, their speed is nearly identical.
     
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    Theres nothing like getting an opinion on 'Lebron James or Michael Jordan' from someone who never ever saw Jordan play.
     
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    Its funny how fast people forget LBJ quitting on Cleveland in his last playoff series there.

    Would Jordan do that? No.

    Jordan, and its not even close.
     
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    I agree PP. No one should be compared to MJ. The better comparisons would be between Kobe and Lebron, not Kobe and Jordan or Lebron and Jordan.
     
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    There will never be another Jordan or Federer or Lemieux or Gretzky.
     
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    ^^ Yes, of course, history came to a stop when these guys were born.
     
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    Do you speak English? The question is: "who is the greater athlete"? I don't need to have seen Jordan play to do basic math - 6' 9'' 270lbs is greater than 6' 6'' 220lbs.

    And besides, how many people consider Wilt Chamberlain the greatest ever? Do I need to have been alive in the 60's-70's to make so bold a statement?
     
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    6'9 270 pounds is greater than 6'6 220. Thats a good addition to this forum
     
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    Better athlete? I guess if we're talking a series of NFL Combine type measurables, then Lebron.

    Better player? Jordan, and it's not close. And this is coming from somebody who grew up a die hard Pistons fan and was all for "the Jordan rules."
     
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  24. jhhachamp

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    I'll take Jordan over Lebron.

    But Lebron is so much better than Kobe it isn't even funny. The idea that Kobe is clutch is one of biggest myths in the game, he has been one of the worst players with the game on the line for years now. Additionally, he never played at a level as high as Lebron has played at for most of his career and he is really not a great team player.

    If you added Lebron to any team, that team would make the playoffs (see how bad Cleveland was without him after he left). If Lebron had gotten to play in Kobe's place and time with the Lakers, they may have won 10 titles (and he would not have run Shaq out the door). The Lakers would easily be a top 4 seed this year if you switched Kobe with Lebron, even with all their issues.
     
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    Jordan is best of all time no question. But LeBron is pretty damn good and has a solid chance to match Jordan's accolades before all is said and done. Scary thing is LeBron is just peaking. Stay tuned.
     
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    Jordan is Golden Era and Bron simply not.Jordan defined the game and took it to next level.
     
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    Jordan for sure

    Better person, better player, loyal to team and town.

    Sptennis
     
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  28. jhhachamp

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    Jordan most definitely is not a better person than Lebron.
     
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    why is that?
    If I knew them in person I'd risk saying something like that but I dont.
    Especially when Lebron is known to be surrounded by a very agressive and hysterical entourage...
     
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    Whatever they going to do? Track Steve Dykstra IP address and send him hate mail?
     
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    I completely agree with you. I think that Lebron is the better pure athlete, but MJ was the better overall basketball player.
     
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  32. TennisLovaLova

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    MJ (at his best) jumped higher, hang longer and ran faster than Lebron.
    Maybe at the gym Lebron can lift heavier but that's it.
    Mj is a better athlete.
     
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    In other words, you like MJ more than James.

    As far as physicality is concerned, MJ does not have any sort of clear advantage over James

    He was a better BBall player though.
     
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    MJ was a better baseball player too.
     
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    Jordan is known to be quite a jerk, very self-centered and arrogant. It serves him very well as a competitor, but I don't hear many reports of nice things he did. There have been many reports of Jordan fighting teammates and holding grudges against people forever.

    Lebron is the type of person who gets along well with everyone. He tried to play the bad guy role when he went to Miami but it just wasn't him. He went back to being a fun loving guy who everyone liked. Even Kobe said he can't get Lebron to talk trash, Lebron just smiles back. I don't consider his entourage aggressive or hysterical, perhaps you could provide a link?

    I also do admit I don't know either in person, but considering how scrutinized they each have been, I feel I have some idea of what they are like.

    Lol. I am gonna add extra deadbolts asap!
     
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    Kids born in the 90's would not know much about Jordan. They like the NOW stars better than the retired older stars.

    But I'd pick Jordan any day. Like many have said, Jordan is clutch, got the best mental strength, and plays both ends well.

    James may be more athletic or got better modern training to buff him up, but he does not have the ability to lift his team to a new level. He won the championship by joining a relatively stronger team. Contrast to almost all the top HOF players.

    I can replay tons of signature moves of Jordan in my head, but nothing really pops up as signature moves of James.
     
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    Basically, what Kevin Garnett is to opponents, Jordan was to his own teammates. Because Jordan was so important to the NBA, the media kept mum about it.

    Lebron is a better athlete than Jordan (though IMO Bo Jackson was better than both, perhaps greatest American athlete ever.) Jordan's 40-yard and vertical are only slightly better than Lebron, who has 40-50lbs and 2 inches on Jordan. In terms of power, there's no equal. His first love was football, and he was recruited by Ohio State to be a wide receiver. He might have been drafted by the NFL.

    In terms of skill and mental strength, it goes to Jordan. Imagine MJ in Lebron's body.
     
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    Honestly, I would hate that. Nobody has ever looked better playing the game of basketball than Jordan. He was so fluid and perfect. LBJ is more physical and not at the level of grace that Jordan had (no one has it..Kobe is closest).
     
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    Ewww!.....
     
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    LOL why is this even a question. MJ went 72-10 with Pippen and role players, imagine what he'd do with Wade and Bosh. MJ would also get to the line so much more in today's NBA.
     
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    I agree but you cant say that ron harper, dennis rodman or even kukoc were role players.
    That bulls team had perfect cohesion and everyone mastered the game fundamentals allowing them to play in the triangle offense almost perfectly.
     
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    Honestly, Rodman is probably better than Bosh who is very overrated and weak. Wade might be a bit better than Pippen as an individual player, but Pippen made a better complementary 2nd player than Wade does.

    The role players on Chicago were at least as strong as the role guys now on Miami who are mediocre.
     
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