LeeD: what level of play is this?

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  1. Velvet Ga el

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    Yes Lee, none of us would know to hit a high ball to a one-handed backhand, to keep the balls away from waist high, or to hit it hard at our opponent's feet. We've never seen that before because it's high level stuff right there.

    I do believe you've distilled the entire essence of this forum down to two neatly-clipped sentences.
     
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  2. Cheetah

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    ok. good points.
    will do next time.
    thanks.
     
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    Hey cheetah, must have already hit the hay before you posted this!

    It was a general feeling I got from reading your loading (prep) phase and your body language. You didn't seem to load with any real intention and the impression was that the ball would "spray" around a little - more evident on the backhand than forehand, where your contact looked late and you had to compensate on your unloading/extension phase to regain some control over the ball through impact.

    It may just have been down to your impeded movement that day?
     
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  4. Cheetah

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    I hear what you're saying.
    Ok, I'll contact you again after I upload my next video.
    Thank you.
     
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  5. arche3

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    Yes. Cheetah has no experience.
    Derp....

    Also you really claim 4.5 singles now huh? Hmmm....
     
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  6. arche3

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    I never ever thought, eva eva thought to hit to a guys 1hbh. That's what rafa does so I didn't think it worked at rec levels. I have leeD to thank for opening my eyes.
     
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  7. LeeD

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    Cheetah looks great hitting with RKelly, who hit's weakly to Cheetah's forehand, sometimes weakly to Cheetah's backhand, but always weak and short.
    Would YOU hit weak and short to Cheetah?
    Notice the few RKelly shots that actually went a little too deep! Surprise, bad movement, bad swing, huge mishits.
    Notice the power of Cheetah's forehand going DTL. Guess what? That goes into the wheelhouse of a lefty forehand!
    Once again, against short balls bouncing TO the baseline, Cheetah is superlative in power, direction, and replicability.
    Now, tell me, WHERE did I say I could beat Cheetah?
     
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  8. sureshs

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    Those are fighting words from leed.
     
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  9. LeeD

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    Actually, it's supposed to be, "THEM'S fighting words from LeeD.
    Words, read them.
    Where did I say I could beat Cheetah?
    Did you know I claim to be a bad 4.0 level player?
    Did you read where I annointed Cheetah "4.5"?
    Can you do some math in the tiny brains you have, Arche3 and PowerPlayer?
     
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  10. 5263

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    Really? the whole thing or just part? Other than calling rkelly's shots weak, I have actually noticed that lee does a pretty good job at scouting. Doesn't mean the plan will always work, but always has a solid plan for what he faces. But rKelly's ball was not weak and was actually that nice ball with enough power to really groove in an return it with power imo.
     
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  11. LeeD

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    When I said RKelly's balls are "weak", I meant they are weak in comparison to the shots Cheetah was hitting.
    Worst, RKelly was hitting short to Cheetah's forehand mostly.
    Basically, RKelly was a nice guy, was just feeding mid NML balls to Cheetah, and Cheetah aggressively pounded RKelly's backhand side.
    Nice guys DO sometimes finish last
     
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  12. Power Player

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    Don't get upset LeeD.

    I'm pretty confident I'm a lot smarter than you as well. We could go there if you wanted, but I doubt you'd enjoy that discussion.

    I quoted you saying you were a 4.5. If you didn't talk so much, you may be able to to keep track of all your BS.
     
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  13. sureshs

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    Lol

    bad movement, bad swing, huge mishits

    Lol

    and you continue to talk as if the rest of us don't understand what you are implying
     
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  14. Maximagq

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    Nice analysis. What would your strategies be if you played me? Attack my serve? Hit heavy to my backhand? Approach the net and attack?
     
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  15. arche3

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    This is what you said. You claim 4.5.
    I also didn't say if I thought you can or cannot beat cheetah. I actually can't tell the level of cheetah from that video. So I didn't say anything about it.

    I just think it is odd you seem to think your the only person who can analyze other players. Yet you rate your game at 4.5.
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Good argument! :)
    I AM a less than mobile 4.5. What does that mean? A 4.5 usually needs mobility and fitness, the first and main factors. Then it's hitting, serving, reactions, and recognition. LESS than mobile means....I"m a 4.0. If I had mobility, I'd BE a 4.5, but I don't.
    HE looks like a less mobile 4.5. Now, what does that mean? I"m basing on the vid, he can be Monfils in reality, but in that vid, he moves badly, and worst of all, he doesn't CARE about trying to move, set his feet, or get ready. If we are to judge by the video alone, he can be at my level, without the ankle injury.
    BUT, I annointed him 4.5.
    I've said many, many times, I can HIT pretty well, but I'm a 4.0 in singles.
    Now, read the second sentence AGAIN.
     
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  17. Power Player

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    Oh ok you changed it. And we are supposed to figure all that crap out?

    The smart person says "I am a 4.0" and moves on with their life.

    You make excuses and insinuate you would be a 4.5 if your movement was better now.

    Hell if you just hit to my forehand side I would be a 5.0 or possibly a 5.5.

    Do you see how stupid that sounds when I say that?

    You are a 4.0. I question that to be honest, but I have never seen you play matches, so whatever.
     
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  18. 5263

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    and you read waaaay to much into things, lol. If you want to know what I think of something just ask, but don't assume and all that entails.
     
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  19. Maximagq

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    Whenever we have an old guy and a young guy who are at the same level, my money is on the young guy in singles. Movement and fitness is such a critical asset that young guys like me, Topspin, Ballin, and Marina have. We can all grind for 3 hours or more.
     
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  20. sureshs

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    I know exactly what mischievous leed is trying to say
     
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  21. 5263

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    And that is a very good point.
     
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  22. user92626

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    I thought level already takes in consideration of fitness.

    If same level my money is on the one with more experience, usually it's older guy.
     
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  23. LeeD

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    Young guys who are 4.5 and up can beat all the old farts at 4.0, for sure.
    But 4.5 to 4.5, 17 or 35, it can be a tossup. 17 is not strong yet. 35 is just over the peak.
    Can come down to experience. Old guy can slice, dink, doink, and take the young topspin hitter out of his game, if they are really of EQUAL levels.
    I"ve seen many, many Open level 30+ year olds just destroy top juniors, like really badly, thru experience and tactics.
    Playing top level juniors is nothing like playing Open level adult men's tourneys.
    You will find out, as soon as you enter a tourney.
    And you'll complain about stalling tactics, slow walking, tons of low short slicing, lots of slow wide serves, coupled with slow shots to the open court.
     
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    At the same NTRP, I'm picking whoever is more match-seasoned. Old or young.

    If we assume that old guys have more match play experience, then I'm going with the old guys. From what I've seen, old guys are better at playing within themselves, emphasizing consistency, and letting their opponents self-destruct.

    Young guys -- or guys with lesser match play experience -- I think have problems with patience, not forcing shots, generating their own pace, being unwilling to hit a "neutral" ball, and get angry far faster than old guys.

    At the same NTRP level, I have to give the edge to match-play experience over everything else.
     
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  25. LeeD

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    I"m sure a young guy can be running, jumping, hopping, and split stepping well into the 3rd hour of tennis.
    But oftentimes, the match is over before 2 hours.
     
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  26. arche3

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    Please explain. Because I have no idea what he is saying.
     
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  27. Cheetah

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    Rkelly hits harder than he is in that video. Usually we hit for 2.5 hours and we play at match level, occasionally we hit for 3+ hours. The vid I posted was just to show you our strokes, not how we play matches. I don't see many people here posting match videos anyway.

    For some reason you guys don't believe me when I said I wasn't healthy on that weekend despite the fact that you can clearly see a difference in one day from the 2 vids where you can see that the 2nd vid I was less stiff. When you're over 30 recovery takes time. No more injury one day and back to 100% in the next 2 days. But I understand, I didn't believe that either until i actually reached 30. I think I need 3 or 4 more days and I'll be recovered from the weekend from hell.
    But whatever... I don't mind the criticism because I dish out it too.

    I played yesterday too and felt even better as I could move a little better and my spin level was a little better as I'm getting used to the sw grip. The guy I played with has hit with Rod Laver over 20 times here in San Diego btw which is pretty cool.

    I will be hitting with a former full ride D1 female from University of Hawaii tomorrow or thursday. She's 27 now and still plays regularly. If she let's me I'll record and post it.

    Whenever I upload a new video and you will all have to find something else in my game to harp on haha. "oh.. well... uhh.... ok he can move and load but look at cheetah's volleys! it took him 2 volleys to win that point! He'll never win a match!".
     
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  28. sureshs

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    There were several others from TW who visited here and have played with us. rkelley has definitely played doubles matches with them, and may have even played singles, I don't recall. None of those guys are very active on this forum.
     
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  29. Cheetah

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    And don't forget Jack, Filip Peliwo's friend from Canada came too and I got to hit with Peliwo's racquet. That was cool.
     
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  30. sureshs

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    That guy was good.
     
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  31. Cheetah

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    His dad was good too.
     
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    I only saw the first video, post 1.
    So I can only judge from that one.
    After your second forehand, I gave you "easy 4.5".
    But then RKelly kept hitting short, weak, and feeding your forehand, later feeding your backhand, and you never lost "4.5".
    See how ONE video doesn't always provide a realistic summation of your hitting skills? Like the ONE video posted of me serving.
    IF I could serve like I did today, I'd really BE a 4.5 player. But Monday, I hit like a blind 3.5 trying to crush the ball, into the back fence, into the ground before the net.
     
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    Can we all at least agree that LeeD in his prime would massacre both Cheetah and rkelley, based on the video?
     
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  34. LeeD

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    NOPE!
    While I played and did well and half my A/Open tourneys and both Q's, I was always a head case who could lose to anyone of any level. The slightest distraction, especially g/f or surfing related, and I"d go off the deep end, never to resurface for at least a week.
     
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  35. LeeD

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    Oh, also, by the end of 1978, after thinking of restarting my motocross career again, I bought a used, ex pro's 1978 YamahaYZ-125 with full Fox and Turner mods, so I'd been thinking of motocross since early summer of that year.
     
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  36. Maximagq

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    What about prime LeeD vs prime Matt Lin?
     
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  37. LeeD

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    When you go 3 rounds in an A/Open event, you'll have surpassed my best ever level of play. The competition is tougher nowadaze, but I went 3 rounds in 6 of 13 tourneys, and both Q's.
    I skipped playing B, or 4.5, because the local pusher's at GoldenGatePark were the tourney directors and his pals.
     
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  38. Maximagq

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    The GOAT TTW lefty server vs the GOAT TTW righty returner.
     
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  39. LeeD

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    GOAT lefty was ClintThompson, ranked in the 700's in ATP play, for TW posters.
    Felwipo, or whatever the spelling, the nice Canadian rightie, was GOAT ace returner.
     
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    You wouldn't know what hit you.
     
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  41. Maximagq

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    Nah, I reckon that Matt Lin with his 90 mph forehand and sliding on hard courts would have a fair chance at pulling off a 4 hour upset.
     
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    lol. and don't forget matt lin's fh average speed is higher then andy murray's!

    clint thompson's bh was fierce. sometimes i see it on youtube.
     
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    Yes! Also don't forget that Matt Lin also found the cure for cancer and threw a football over Mount Everest.
     
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    4 hours on court?
    I'd be home in my recliner, 3rd beer consumed, a full jumbo burrito, the TV going full blast, and that's after the 3rd hour.
    But I wonder..... my playing and practice partners, mostly peers, were top D-2 and D-3 singles players, top high school singles players, and lots of B, or 4.5 level players.
     
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  45. Maximagq

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    None of them were grinders like Matt Linkovic though!
     
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    Matt Linkovic has no chance against Superrotatus Iactus. :twisted:
     
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  47. LeeD

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    No, the grinders were kids like MikeGee and ByronNepomecino, who were both short and slight of build. Both top junior prospects and both playing mostly top level B's.
    Raliegh grew to 6'3", at CanadaCollege, while Dexter and I at 5'10" went for the JohanKriek school of tennis, rather than the usual Asian baseline careful not to miss games.
     
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  48. Cheetah

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    Matt Lin's aura can be seen from space.
     
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    This guy Superrotatus is the next Spartacus. He is tennis' version of The Gladiator!
     
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    Matt Linkovic's aura is as strong as the Great Wall of China is formidable.
     

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