Lendl: "I have big plans for Andy. He is about 20% there."

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  1. Homeboy Hotel

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    If you want to read the story - go for it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/20363282

    Alternatively here's the direct quotes coming out of the GOAT mouth of Ivan Lendl..


    So Ivan Lendl in 1 year has taken Murray to what he assesses as 'Point A' (2011: F,SF,SF,SF, #4 x 4) to 'Point B' (first slam won, 2 slam finals, gold and silver medal, tweaked motion forehand, #3).

    Ivan Lendl seems a careful pragmatist in his closing remarks.

    But one wonders, is 'Point E' winning the French Open and Monte Carlo? :roll:
     
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    Point F is winning Davis Cup....:lol:
     
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    Well, they've got Andy Murray which is a start.

    Plus a more than decent doubles team Hutchins/Flemming, all they need is another half decent singles player to appear from the sky and maybe in Murray's late career he might be able to win Davis Cup with the help of a overly-keen 20-year old something. Murray's predessor. Could be a sort of Deja Vu of this moment
     
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    Murray does have the ability to win Wimbledon and Australian Open titles and become world no. 1 at some point in his career.

    Obviously becoming the first British player in about 634 years to win Wimbledon is the ultimate goal.
     
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  5. Prisoner of Birth

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    In Murray & Lendl, you couldn't have found a more Wimbledon-loving pair if you looked for one.
     
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    quite a few years left in him yes... if he changes his run every point down golden retriever style of play,

    if not then that style of play and his dodgy back may cause big problems.
     
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    a few more majors is within reach now..hopefully the extra forehand pop he was showing more of recently will become a regular thing..against federer in the 1st set and wimbledon and v fed in shanghai his forehand won a fair few points...just needs to keep it going more.
     
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    Doesn't seem to be hurting Cvac any.
     
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    i know, at 25yrs old, at their peak it is ok..dont like it long term though, and novak hasnt got a dodgy back.
     
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    1 slam = 20%. Makes sense. The other 80% is when Murray wins AO, RG, Wimbledon and WTF I suppose. Ambitious guy this Lendl :)
     
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    If Nadal does not come back to his old level, and Fed continues to age, who do you think will win all the Slams for the next few years? Djokovic and Murray. It makes perfect sense for Lendl to latch on to him.
     
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    Djokovic will start to decline after an year or two, too. He is 25.5, not 23 anymore.
     
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    But Murray is the same age, so...
     
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    Djokovic's back and hip are actually worse than Murray's.
     
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    Murray's career seems to be following a different trajectory. That said, I'm guessing 2013 will be Murray's peak and he'll start declining after 2014.
     
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    So? And Nadal is only a year older than them but is finished. It's about mileage,not actual age.
     
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    career matches,

    murray...502, may 1987,
    djokovic..592, may 1987,
    nadal......705, jun 1986.
     
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    I bet McEnroe has big plans for Djokovic now...:lol:
     
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    I agree with Lendl, Murray has the goods.

    His major drama is, however, is not in his technical inability to hit certain shots or endure certain amount of pounding.

    His biggest monkey is that he has no idea what game he should be playing. He is not sure. He has been criticized so much about "being too defensive" so that he feels bad when he is defensive and also feels bad when he is offensive (because it is not natural for him). He always feels bad, regardless of what he does on the court. His muted US Open celebration reflects just that: he is a guy who has been criticized by everybody but his family, and a guy who has been criticizing himself like crazy all his life. With an attitude like that, being torn between doing what he likes (defending) and doing "the right thing" (attacking) it will be very hard for him to become a great champion.

    But yeah, he can. Nothing is stopping him. It is not that he is slow, or weak, or anything. He is a top-class athlete in search of his true tennis identity.
     
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  22. 90's Clay

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    You can have all the "plans" you want. That doesn't negate you're coaching a mental wreck loose.. A freakin headcase of a player.

    Maybe by "plans" he means some psychiatric help
     
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    Djokovic will be going until he's 28 at least.
     
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    murray is much less of a headcase than your crush sampras' rivals in goran, stich, agassi ( for major part of sampras' prime ) etc ......... LOL !!!!
     
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  25. RF20Lennon

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    Ok stop over exaggerating lol Murray isnt even that bad.
     
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    I think there is a better than average chance that Federer will continue to age.
     
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    say what you want, but Ivan is a very smart guy. probably the most under appreciated player in tennis history. Murray respect him a lot and he is getting somewhere. good job Mr. Lendl.:)
     
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    I thought WTF is a glorified exhibition tournament with less status than Monte Carlo?
     
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    I love Lendl's manner. He manages to be very optimistic whilst being incredibly matter of fact. He makes me laugh.

    Bit of a maths fail in The Guardian version of this story as they have re-interpreted Lendl saying they'd achieved 20% of his predicted shared journey as meaning Andy is going to get five times better! Not quite the same thing. The Mail's rip-off story also includes the nugget that Murray and Lendl enjoy each other's company, which they have illustrated with a photo of them together looking their most miserable!

    Cheeky photo editors aside, they do seem to get along, and this partnership seems to be a great match. The longer they are together, the more I've realised how much they have in common, but ultimately what I think makes the relationship work (apart from results) is that Lendl respects the kind of player Andy is, and isn't interfering with anything and everything for the sake of justifying his fee.
     
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    Are you kidding? Murray just won the US Open.

    Whose career have you been following? You're so bitter it's unbelievable. 99% whiny posts. Guess what? If you don't like todays game, NOBODY is forcing you to watch. Maybe you're the one who needs the psychiatrist.
     
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    Hiring Lendl was the best decision Andy Murray's made in his life.
     
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    didn't the british have some good results in the juniors in the last 2 seasons?
    oliver golding won the 11 USO and liam broady reached a final in 11 wimby. kyle edmund is a good young guy too.

    I know most juniors don't make it to the top but if one of them makes it the brits might have a good DC team.

    now they are 17-19 years old so if they hurry up they might still get a year or so with prime andy murray or slightly past prime but still dangerous murray (if he stays healthy).
     
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    If Lendl is talking about bringing Murray into the fold of humanity from his current role as the world's most famous Tourette syndrome sufferer, then yeah, I think he's 20% there.
     
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  35. Cup8489

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    what is a mental wreck loose?

    Do you mean recluse? LOL.
     
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    Oh, trust me. He is.
     
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  37. 90's Clay

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    ROFL. WOW

    MurrayTards on here. How many times has Murray got down on himself, smacking himself, talking to himself, only for the opponent to pull out the win? The YEC, all it took was for Murray to get a little fidgety and Fed completely took the match over with ease.

    The USO he blew a TWO SET LEAD, and Djoker cramped up, finally enabling Murray to win something of note. If Nole doesn't cramp up, Murray doesn't win that match most likely.

    How many big points and match points has he blown vs. Nole

    The guy is a head case.. Pure and simple.. Wake up. Are we watching the same Murray people?
     
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    Man, your bitter ramblings are truly funny - wind and cramp - that Murray is the luckiest player ever. It's not like Murray was up a double break in the 5th before Novak started cramping - nosiree, not in the backward looking, 'I remember when this was all fields' world of the banned poster known as Game Sampras.

    Murray is a slam champion; he's probably going to win more. You need to stop crying like a little girl who's lost her dolly and deal with it.

    Boo-hoo...cramp....boo-hoo...Novak shoulda...boo-hoo headcase...

    Grand. Slam. Champion. End of.
     
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    No doubt about about - nuttier than squirrel sh1t.
     
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    Yes, you're right that Great Britan has some hopeful players coming up. I was just admiring "kishnabe" sense of humor on Lendl's percentages conversation. The chances of Great Britan (currently) taking on Spain, Czech Republic, Argentina, even the U.S for the Davis Cup might seem understanably humerous and over ambitious. The thought of Lendl (or anyone else) making a public goal like this is worthy of a good laugh... thats all.
     
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    Quoted for truth. It's OK Batz, we know the truth on this matter. Anybody can youtube that US Open match and watch the first set alone (both players are fresh) and see Murray dictating play on a Nole who hadn't lost a hardcourt match in forever. Andy absolutely went for it and showed champion caliber will to win, in the toughest of conditions (against a proven champion)

    Of course Nole was going to loosen up and play freely/agressively in the third and fourth sets (Hell, Murray came very close to getting back into it in the fourth and possibly closing it out then)

    The fifth set is the absolute crown jewel in Andy's career (up until now). The fact that he was able to display absolute dominance in that situation proves (for the rest of Andy's life) that he earned it over the best, in the ultimate test situation.

    No disrespect everyone else but Murray's first Grand Slam will go down as the BEST first win of any of the top four greats (first wins). Puerta (Nadal), Philippoussis (Federer), and Tsonga (Djokovic) were all players who had never been in a slam final, let alone Proven Champions like Nole. He had to get past a player of extreem confidence and expectation.

    (By the way, all his other slam finals had been against Federer and Nole)
     
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    ROTFL...you make it sound as if Murray loses more often than he wins or something! :lol:

    Only a Murrayphobe could put it like that. Murray won THREE out of the FIVE sets necessary to win. That's all it takes. Djoker had chances to get back into the match by levelling at two sets all but blew it big time in the fifth set. And nobody noticed him cramping until the very last game when he tried to throw Murray off from serving it out by calling for a MTO! But it didn't work.
    So get over it!

    Just the 5 match points in the final of Shanghai but he's still 3-2 v Djokovic in Masters finals.

    Yeah, some head-case he is with 24 titles including 1 Slam, 1 Olympic gold medal and 8 Masters 1000 titles!

    If only 99.9% of the tour could be 'head-cases' like him! :)
     
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    Talk about putting pressure on murray. Murray is a headcase, llendl should know better then to come out with stupid statements like that. 20% how did he come up with that?
     
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    Veroniquem already explained it: ;-)

     
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    murraytards deserve all the bragging after being ridiculed for so many years:D
     
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    How did he get that lead in the first place? Did he catch it out of thin air?
     
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    What? How did he blow the lead? He won the fifth set by two breaks, didn't he? How is that blowing the lead? What universe are you in?


    I'm starting to believe Murray actually never won the Open. No, he lost the final versus Djokovic. He really, really did.
     
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    Not to nitpick, but Scud was in a USO final previously.

    But your point still stands, Murray definitely had the toughest opponent. Novak hadn't lost a hardcourt match since the 2010 USO, where he lost in the final. Murray was up against the most dangerous hardcourt player of this year, hands down.
     
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    Do you guys mean that Nole hadn't lost on US Open hardcourts since 2010, or hardcourts in general? Because I seem to recall Nole losing to a player of some repute in the Cinci final.
     
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    It's all about whether he can stay injury free now. Things are really opening up for him.
     
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