Lendl's eight knot hybrid string job

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  1. ewberner

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    I got to play for about 3 hours with it yesterday. It definitely has a unique feel to it. I felt it had the comfort of a hybrid with the spin and feel of a full poly set up. I really enjoyed how it played and think I will stick with it for now. If you play with a hybrid you should really try it out.
     
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    i wish this `lendl string pattern works on flying clamp... Hmmmm!
     
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  3. Irvin

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    Don't know why it wouldn't.
     
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  4. heartattack

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    wish u could help us how to do it `irvin. thanks!
     
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  5. OTMPut

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    Here is my PS85 with Lendl pattern. MSV Focus Hex 16g & NXT 16.
    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Irvin

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    I made a video this morning using flying clamps. It's converting to FLV now and as soon as I get the link on YouTube I will post it. Made several mistakes as I am not used to flying clamps but it worked. Maybe if I made a run first it would've been better.
     
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  7. Irvin

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    If you use flying clamps here is a quick how to:

    1 Run in you center mains first
    2 Start your outside strings on the end where the mains normally end and run in three outside mains on one side
    3 Run in three crosses doubling pulling the first two where you ended up in step 2
    4 Run in crosses with long side on the end where you stopped in step 1
    5 Run in the other three outside mains where you ended in step 3
    6 Finish your crosses and tie off.

    It will make more sense with the video when it is loaded.
     
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  8. Irvin

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    Lendl pattern w/flying clamps

    The video is loading right now and should be up in about 30 minutes.

    http://youtu.be/FwcancsvL3E

    If you don't have starting clamps you should be able to use starting knots if you think it out. Good luck I hope it works out for you. I also hope there are not hickups in the upload because I am going fishing and will not be back until late this afternoon/evening.

    If you are still having troubles try to list your racket and I will try to help if I can.
     
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  9. heartattack

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    awesome! great job `irvin... Thanks!
    i only have one (1) starting clamp. Can i tie a starting knot instead?
     
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    shoot! i didnt notice your post #58... Thanks.
     
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  11. rolliges

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    With one starting clamp it is a puzzle; with two you just have to think a bit. Just jump in and string.

    I ran my second string, in each direction, next to the "center square" so I could just follow the normal alternating pattern. I didn't do it this way the first time but it seems to make sense and should minimize mistakes.
     
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  12. JetFlyr

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    Here's a picture of my job:

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Irvin

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    I did not notice until the end but 4H was a tie off point I could have tied the short side there. Then I would have only needed one starting clamp. I guess if I looked I could have done it without a starting clamp as I have three flying clamps.

    BTW I only caught one hybrid then it got real windy and the rain was moving in so I came home.
     
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  14. Irvin

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    Looks good it isn't that hard once you get the hang of it.
     
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  15. Irvin

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    I just watched my own video and seen something I could have improved on. When I finished the mains with the white string I could have ran in the first cross with the long tag end and held it with a starting clamp. Then I could avoid the double pull on the two bottom crosses. Maybe next time. LOL
     
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  16. scotus

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    Great job, people.

    But I must point out that the string job looks much better in Lendl's octagon-shaped racquet.
     
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  17. AR15

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    I'm waiting for someone to try this on a Powerangle racquet. :wink:
     
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  18. xiaobo

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    Here is my modified version of Lendl's Hybrid Pattern for my Babolat Pure Storm Tour: It should work for other racquets starting mains from top as well.
    [​IMG]

    It is a 3 pieces hybrid. The center string in green is 27ft with 6 mains on each side to avoid bottom up crosses. It has 8ft short side on left side and ties on 6T(left top) and 8B(left bottom). The outside string 1 is 7ft starting from 9T on left side and ties on 8T (left) and 11T (right); The outside string 2 is 8 ft starting from 9B and ties on 7B (right) & 8B (right). The reason to have 4 bottom crosses instead of 5 bottom crosses is that I have to tie center green string at 8B on left.

    It requires longer center string (27ft). In addition, it needs at least 2 starting clamps to hold tension before anchor string is available. Other racquets starting mains from top may try this version as well.

    Thanks.

    Xiaobo.
     
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  19. JetFlyr

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    Here's a picture of the Lendl hybrid pattern using my Bosworth Tour 96. I used two pieces of string. The black center strings (24.5 feet) are 17g poly strung at 51#. The outside white strings (13 feet) are 17g synthetic gut strung at 56#. This pattern required both of my machine's fixed clamps, as well as a starting clamp and a floating clamp. There was probably a more efficient way of stringing it than I did.

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. hyperion99

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    Very nice!
    The Lendl pattern looks a lot more visible on a Bosworth racket than any other racket.

    Thanks for the pic.
    What strings did you use?
     
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  21. struggle

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    ok, seems stringing it should be no big deal if i want to try it.

    my question, how does it play?
     
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  22. Rabbit

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    yeah, that was my question as well!
     
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  23. darklore009

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    i wanted to try this string job style, however i dont know where to start. i'm going to string it on a dunlop aero gel 300. it's a 16x19 string pattern. can someone give me a run down on how to do it.
     
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  24. Irvin

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    That would depend on what type clamps you are using, how many clamps you have and whether or not you have any starting clamps.
     
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  25. Lukhas

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    I think I grabbed that from few pages ago...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwcancsvL3E&feature=youtu.be
     
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  26. darklore009

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    I have 2 flying clamps and one starting clamp. The machine im using is the pionner dc plus.
     
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  27. Irvin

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    Start by stringing four mains on the short side and 5 mains on the long side. Use the short side and run in the third cross and hold it with a starting clamp. You don't have to weave it through the mains. Use the long side to run in the fourth cross (clamping to the third) and then the fifth cross. Tension the third cross and remove the starting clamp and clamp the fourth main again on the short side if you removed the clamp. Now remove the third cross and run in the fifth cross on the short side and tie off preferably tie off. Using the long side run in as many crosses as you want and tie off preferably tie off on the opposite side the short side tied off on. Start on either bottom side and string the 6th, 7th, and 8th mains. Ten the 3rd, 2nd, and top cross, then the 6th, 7th, & 8th mains and finish with the bottom crosses.

    good luck.
     
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  28. darklore009

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    thanks irvin for the tip. i'll try it out after finals week. though i'm looking forward stringing it.
     
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  29. JetFlyr

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    I like the way it feels: comfortable, soft, yet with the benefits, longevity and spin production, of a full poly. For myself, while it looks cool, the stringing pattern is a small pain-in-the-*****, so I probably won't make it my regular setup; besides, I restring too often to use such a time-consuming pattern. I prefer syngut in the mains and poly in the crosses. I like the feel and the durability of the syngut is just about right because it breaks about the same time the poly is dying.
     
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  30. darklore009

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    how much string do i need to string this pattern? two half sets?
     
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  31. JetFlyr

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    For the center (black, poly) strings, I used 23ft. For the outer (white, synthetic gut) strings, I used 12 feet.
     
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  32. corners

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    Since the publication of that book, the COP has been found to be irrelevant. When freely suspended, the COP is located near the center of the stringbed, and the precise location can be calculated using the swinweight, mass and balance point. But as soon as you put your hand on the handle the COP moves into the racquet throat.

    But the COP is only one "sweetspot." The other is the vibration node, which is also located around the middle of the head, and remains there even when the weight of the hand is added to the handle. But the node won't move with different stringjobs.

    And of course, the node is really more of point than a zone, and while its location varies from racquet to racquet, its size does not. When most people speak of "sweetspot" they are talking about the length and width of the zone of the stringbed that produces shots with good speed and minimal twisting of the racquet, or that feels solid, or sweet, or whatever they are thinking of. This can be changed with different stringjobs. I would think that softening the periphery of the stringbed with this style of stringing might make the central hitting zone feel more homogenous, which might feel sweet. It should also improve ACOR slightly on shots hit outside that central zone.
     
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  33. unorthodox stringing

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  34. Irvin

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    I posted a comment on your blog but it did not work.

    Note - You actually started on the fourth cross not the third.

    You also do not need a start pin. Run in the fourth and fifth crosses with a large enough loop to reach the tensioner. Tension the fourth cross and clamp the fourth and fifth crosses outside the frame. You may need a piece of cardboard with two string slits to protect the frame. Now run in the last three mains on the SHORT SIDE, top three crosses (third to first,) and the last three mains on the long side. Now re-tension the fourth cross and move the clamp to the inside of the frame. And finish your racket's crosses top down.
     
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  35. unorthodox stringing

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    Thanks Irvin!

    Yes, it's the fourth cross.

    I've learnt a lot reading from your posts in this forum. I had wanted to string all the outer mains and crosses first but decided not to. That's why I used the start pin since I have one.

    How's your Lendl-patterned racquet playing? ;)
     
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  36. Irvin

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    I have no idea. I have bad arthritis in my thumb and can't play. Stringing is getting hard too. May have to go under the knife and don't want that either. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. But my grandson loves it. I think it is more the way it looks than the way it plays though if the truth be known.

    BTW, there is a lot to be said for stringing all the mains and top three crosses first and then finish with the remainder of the crosses top down.
     
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  37. unorthodox stringing

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    Sorry to hear about your arthritis. I've read about how boron has been used as a natural cure for arthritis. Quite convincing I'd say, and from medical journals too. But it's something you'll have to read up and decide on...

    Thank you for the caution on doing mains then crosses top down. I am aware of the risks of frame warp, cracks, uneven tensions, etc. It's an experimental frame I use for unorthodox practices :)
     
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  38. cluckcluck

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    My question is, is this a ITF/USTA legal string job? I know it's uniform and all, but because of the 12 knots and multiple types of string makes me wonder if it is or is not legal to play with in a tournament.
     
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  39. Irvin

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    12 knots? Try 4. Have you ever heard of hybrid stringing?

    EDIT: 12 knots, have you benn drinking again? LOL Sorry I had to throw that in just kidding.

    Edit: To answer your question yes it is a legal string job. What would you think is illegal about it?
     
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  40. djNEiGht

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    Yes...cheers to Irvin for his (and countless other TT users) contributions to the tennis community. I keep sneaking a look-see in this thread and hope to try this string pattern some day...it looks great.

    Best regards to your injury. I have arthritis in my left knee and can sympathize with those discomforts...
     
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  41. Irvin

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    Discomfort? LMAO I don't know what is worse arthritis or cortisone injections.
     
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  42. djNEiGht

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    I was short on words...glad you can find a laugh out of it...

    I had a couple of cortisone shots before...not too bad but not fun for sure.
     
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  43. darklore009

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    irvin, i was wonder if this pattern is possible with fixed clamps. is there a method on using fixed clamps instead of flying clamps. thanks
     
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  44. Irvin

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    I string with fixed clamps, maybe I am not sure what you mean.
     
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  45. darklore009

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    was the instruction that you gave me before was for fixed clamps or flying clamps?
     
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  46. Irvin

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    What I told you in post 77 was for flying clamps. I seem to remember you said you said you had a Pioneer DC+ which has fixed clamps but side you used flying clamps so I wasn't sure so I took your word for it. Doesn't matter what you have either fixed or flying will work.
     
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  47. Irvin

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    If you interested in stringing using this pattern but only have flying clamps and no starting clamp this video may help:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpCc7YiwYA


    Just to make sure I answered your question this pattern is much easier (in most aspects) with fixed clamps.
     
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  48. Shroud

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    Did I read right? this can be done with 2 pieces??

    Wouldnt you have to have a lot of string running around the racket?

    especially for the middle strings going from the middle mains to the middle crosses.
     
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  49. Irvin

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    You red correctly. It will depend on the racket but the only long strings on the outside goes from the center outside main it the first center cross and that is only about 3-4" maybe, and possibly the tie off for the bottom center string cross.
     
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  50. Shroud

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    If I get what you are saying, 3-4" run around the racket has less impact on tension loss than more pieces and their required knots??
     

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