Lets be frank with this Nadal scenario, an opinion...

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  1. Homeboy Hotel

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    Basically, this advanced clay-courter had some trouble with his knees after being embarrassed by someone qualifer ranked #1000 at Wimbledon and then he bunks the rest of the 2012 which has been blighted by toys out the pram mentality from Nadal - he kicked a fuss saying he won't come back to Madrid unless they change the colour, withdrew vs Murray in Miami, played no tournaments in February and didn't like paying tax for pre-Wimbledon Queens practice.

    OK. Great. But, now...

    He says his knees are fine, but because poor little Rafa has a little cough and a runny nose he decides to skip the first Major of 2013, 4 weeks in advance, simply because he has no prep?

    Well that BS, there's about 5 tournaments from now till the AO if he's forgotten how to hit a ball over the net. He has plenty of time to practice.

    It's either he lying or he's listened to PseudoFed's request to continue withdrawing from tournaments.

    Why would you withdraw from a tournament 4 weeks before it starts, citing a cold? Toni Nadal saying its irrational to return as AO is 'best of 5' just demonstrates the hypocritical selective scheduling from the Nadal camp - would they skip RG if he only played Monte Carlo 3 weeks before? Surely you get fined for skipping mandatory tournaments on this trolling level?

    This is the new Rafael Nadal people: 2 steps slower, a inch bit more cocky, selective with his (non-existent) schedule, flirting with tournament directors during the off-season of his future appearance then withdrawing from tournaments every other day like he's selling MJ assets.

    Once a clay court specialist, always a clay court specialist.

    I hope someone like Murray, Berdych or Isner raise their clay court level to semi-GOAT and make a match of it on the red dirt.
     
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    What insight you have brought to this overlooked subject, thank you for starting this thread.
     
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  3. Semi-Pro

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    Really enjoyed that opening paragraph

    Most epic post I have read in a long long while :)
     
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    Whatever the state of his knees are currently, it is essential that he not get off on the wrong foot (no pun intended) in his comeback. He is exactly right....a best of five tournament so soon would be tempting fate, imo. What is the point of playing it? He's not going to win it...just stay home and come back slowly and safely. Nadal knows his career is on shaky ground.
     
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    This about covers my thoughts on this thread. There is no reason to rip Nadal like the OP did. I don't like the guy either but there is no denying how talented he is.
     
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    It seems Nadal being absent drive his delusional haters even more crazy than when he's winning slams...

    Go figure.
     
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    And once a hard court specialist, always a hard court specialist. What does that even mean?
     
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    One thing I can say is Nadal NEVER missed clay season but have missed grass and awfully a lot on hard court. For him, tennis doesn't exist if there's no clay.
     
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    I hope to be wrong, but it is looking a bit similar to Sampras post 2002 US OPEN.

    He said he wanted to rest and not play the rest of the season ( 2002 season ), but wanted to prepare hard for the Australian Open ( 2003 AusOpen). Then he said he had no time to prepare the AusOpen but that he would come back in February. Then he said he wasn't ready so he would come back for the clay season ( 2003 clay season). Then he said he didn't feel like it but that he would prepare for Wimbledon ( 2003 Wimbledon ), and then he realized not even playing Wimbledon was attractive, pleasing enough for him at that stage.

    He simply realized he didn't want to play tennis anymore, and that was it.


    Nadal is five years younger than Sampras (when that happened to him) and of course he has knee problems that obviously are playing a big role here, but.......I don't know, for me it is looking a bit similar and I hope to be wrong, but Nadal may be feeling that he just no longer has THE DESIRE to win (and all of what it takes).
     
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  11. Mike Sams

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    The desire to win or the desire to fight hard to get the win? Because Nadal has to fight and grind to win. That's his style.
     
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    All players have to push themselves incredibly hard trying to be the best they can be and better still. You must have a great DESIRE to push yourself that hard. Once you feel you don't have it anymore (the desire, the thrilling) you are lost, nothing you can do about it.

    Some players get to that stage at 30-something, others at 30, other at 25....(it depends on many different factors).
     
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    You're funny :)
     
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  14. 90's Clay

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    Nadal is chasing history. .. Hes only 6 slams from the tying the record. 3 slams from being tied in 2nd place.. If he could physically play at a high enough level to be out there and a threat at the big tournaments, he would be out there

    Nadal came into the pros already having physical issues and leg/foot problems. . Its amazing hes even had the career he did considering all the physical issues hes had. He wasn't gifted with almost perfect health like Roger.
     
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  15. Homeboy Hotel

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    Compare Nadal's opponents,
    Djokovic was a pro known to quit in slams because he had a sore throat.

    (stick thin) Murray in his early years use to outplay his opponent 95% of the match but lose 6-1 in the 5th because of cramp.

    Don't think Nadal is the first player in the world to have physical issues. You work on it and makes you stronger.

    Overly-cautious Nadal swallows a banana without giving it a sufficient number of chews and calls the trainer on court, this is just another one of his overly cautious antics.
     
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  16. Retaliation

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    You're right, there's no denying it. My only thought is: what makes him so much better than others who have overcome much more adversity than a stomach virus? I just don't get it. If he doesn't really care, then so be it. It just makes him look arrogant, and above the sport. There's plenty of underdogs (which Nadal would be in this case at this point in time) who have gone on to win a grand slam. A stomach virus is a weak excuse, and I know he hasn't played competitive tennis in months, but I'm sorry but if you love the sport, you will play even if you know that you will not win. That's what the love of the game is all about. Nadal doesn't have that.
     
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  17. 90's Clay

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    Its a little bit worse having constant knee and foot injuries in tennis then it is to have a "sore throats" or fitness issues. You can fix your fitness pretty easy (especially today) but its difficult to keep your limbs going from underneath you without surgery, rest, and lots of rehab
     
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  18. Homeboy Hotel

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    Well then he needs to consider his future in the sport if he's only going to be a part time clay-courter and be a little more honest with his sponsors and fans if he's withdrawing from the biggest tournaments in the sport with a sore throat 4 weeks before its begun.
     
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    Just glad I saw him live while I had the chance. Must make the effort and get to RG this year.
     
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    This year's clay court season will be dominated by Djoker and Murray. Nadal is out of the picture. He probably won't even make it to quarter finals now.
     
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  21. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Maybe Nadal is losing his desire for tennis he's been out of the game for over six months. Nadal is so wealthy he doesn't need to play anymore for money he's won a lot of slams.

    Or another theory is maybe Nadal realizes what's the point playing the Australian Open and losing early? Maybe Nadal feels he's not mentally prepared to compete again. I think Nadal is being smart he wants to be sure when he comes back he is going to be a force in the game.
     
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  22. Bartelby

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    Maybe he is ill and can't see the point of beginning with a quick hardcourt tour when he's not in form.

    So far all this looks like is an intelligent and prudent decision, so we'll have to wait till February to revise judgement.
     
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    True. We'll have to see, but I still think if he loved the game, he'd be playing no matter what. If nothing else, it'd help him get back into grand slam shape...especially with RG afterward.
     
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    My instincts tell me that Ralph will mostly focus all his energy on winning RG for as many years as he can(he doesn't STILL have a challenger there apart from Djokovic 2.0 even after 8 years of winning,Incredible.) He might sneak in a Wimby somewhere and an AO if push comes to shove and basically overhaul Fed's slam record,that's probably his strategy.

    The chase ain't over till Ralph officially pulls the plug on his career.He's not gonna just kill his dream when's he's still within striking distance.

    If there's one thing I've learnt about Ralph is that he's the biggest opportunist the ATP may have ever had. Too bad some people can't see it.
     
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  25. Bartelby

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    You really only have to be in peak form during the northern hemisphere summer and you can win three slams in six months, so clay leading quickly into grass is a clear option for a freshened Nadal.
     
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    Agreed. Hilarious.
     
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    No discussion about Rafa's elongated absences from the tour is complete without mentioning Performance Enhancing Drugs, EPO, blood doping, HGH, etc... or whatever cocktail of pharmaceutical elixirs Uncle Tony has been sprinkling over Rafa's Wheaties since he was a wee lad. Rafa is most likely serving a silent ban. He's the Lance Armstrong of the ATP. Google this, "The curious case of Rafael Nadal" and let's start a real conversation about Rafa's, ahem, illnesses, injuries and imposed sabbatical from the tour.
     
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  28. DMan

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    So why isn't crybaby Rafa just double-downing the drugs?

    Of course, he has to set things up first, the way Uncle Toni always had.

    Make the big ominous announcement: NADAL ON DEATH BED!!!!! He can't possibly compete. But he plays anyway. Wincing and cavorting all the way. Saying, "is unbeliebable I beat this guy. He is greatest of all-time." (Of course talking about a qualifier ranked #350 plahing in his first ATP tour level match of his life.

    And the manipulated media and fanboys believe the Nadal hype: OVERCOMES the greatest obstacles known to man, to win a single tennis match. Stop the presses. Heck, STOP THE WORLD, and acknowledge.

    But seriously, NADAL ALWAYS HAS AN EXCUSE! ALWAYS. FOREVER! No player in history has talked more about his injuries than Nadal. It's not even comical any more. It is of course laughable and pathetic.

    Notice how there are so many reports now how the knees were of course sore at Wimbledon. Of course that's why he lost. OF COURSE!

    Some of you talk about the silent ban. How about a real ban. A permanent one. No crybabies allowed on the ATP Tour. PERIOD.

    SORE LOSERS, WHINERS, and EXCUSE MAKERS should be banned by the ATP.

    It's about time Nadal was finally and permanently given the boot!
     
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  29. vive le beau jeu !

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    guys, please respect the decision of the nadal: let's stop with all these speculations, it's not a virus or a bacteria that has been affecting him, it's more serious... it's a colon worm, and it's even big blue one.

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    but they're currently working hard on its extraction.

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    (that would also explain the pre-serve routine, by the way)
     
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  30. adil1972

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    i dont like nadal, but i dont doubt his intentions...... he is one of the 4 guys to win 11 grand slams, other being borg, federer and sampras
    2nd of the 3 guys to win the same slam 7 times other being fed (third one) and pete (first one)

    if not for nadal federer would have won 10 consecuitve grand slams (2005 Wimbledon to 2007 US Open) instead of 8 out of 10 (except 2006 and 07 french open)

    leave the poor guy alone
     
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  31. Bartelby

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    Nadal makes no excuses. He plays, he wins.
     
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    Vlbj for president!
     
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    You might be right, that Nadal doesn't currently have love for the sport, but how on earth do you come to the conclusion that players have to 'look out for the sport' and to not be 'above it'?

    Tennis is an individual sport. They have to look out for exactly no one, but themselves. They don't owe anything to anyone. They are instilled to scratch their own backs and to only live up to the expectations of themselves and their coaches/camps. If Nadal decides he doesn't want to contest on hardcourt anylonger, would I as a fan be dissapointed? Hell yeah. Do I have a right to blame him? Hell no.

    There is no such thing as being 'above' or 'under' the sport. These are just individuals being in a professional sport and each of them have their own motives for playing. Whether they are to have fun, play for themselves, play for the fans, play to gain the respect of one's authoritarian dad - doesn't matter. Each motif holds as much value as any other.

    Likewise Nadal has no obligation to 'play a full schedule' or to 'play just for the sake of his fans' - it's his body that is on the line and he is his own team and that's all he has to worry about.

    Whatever it is that is keeping Nadal out, we can only speculate and wonder. What we can't to do is to demand or expect something from him. His reasons are all that matters.
     
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    Nadal has looked failure in the face and he's scared... needs to watch some Rocky movies, sprint down the beaches of Mallorca with "Eye of the Tiger" cranking on his ipod.
     
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    Delusional hater would be an epic name here.
     
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    One thing I know for sure: if Nadal loses early at RG 2013, he will quit.
     
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    I do agree that Nadal has been very negative over the last few years which has been a change. He has complained at length about the schedule, length of the season, Madrid and other issues. It doesn't seem like he used to complain about much of anything. I agree that it was a little weird that he pulled from the AO, but if illness delayed his training and if his knees are still sore it's prob the right call.
     
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    This is very true, and is something I have brought up on numerous occasions. He really looks miserable to be playing tennis. I don't think he enjoys it one bit and sees it as a chore. His disdain for tennis mixed with his bum knees will be why he retires next year.
     
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    Nadal played the Aust Open in 2011 after coming down with what sounds like a similar type of virus at the same time. His form in the Aust Open was moderate before losing to Ferrer in the quarters or semi (Can't remember which) when a hamstring strain affected him. There's precious little difference between a 6 month lay off or an 8 month lay off in terms of it's effect on the viability of a comeback. Assuming the virus is real the best strategy for his comeback is to give himself time to fully recover then come back fully fit in February or March, which looks to be exactly what he's doing.
     
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    When you say 'only 6 slams' one has to realise that is Edberg or Beckers entire career. Not so small.
     
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    That'w what always surprised me, ONLY 6 slams. As if Tennis is gonna stay stationary and Rafa is gonna rack up slams one after the another. The guy got only two slams in two years
     
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    Again, is Nadal out of the AO because of knee problems or because of a stomach virus? Because a sore throat is not much better than the stomach virus Nadal is claiming.

    I find it weird how Nadal fans switch between the knee or the stomach virus as the excuse for Nadal skipping the AO depending on the point they are trying to make.

    It's almost as bad as how they switch between "Nadal isn't doping...there is no proof for it" and "Well everyone is doping, so it's no big deal" depending once again on the point they are trying to defend.

    I disagree with the OP's opinion, and think this absence is as simple as Nadal not being ready for the AO, and not wanting to have another early round loss. However, the irrational Nadal fans are hilarious.
     
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  43. reaper

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    The knee injury means Nadal lacks fitness. The virus means he won't have time to get fit enough by training hard over the next fortnight. He's absent due to the cumulative effect:) of the virus and knee injury.
     
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