Let's disspel the myth that Federer thrived against a "weak field"

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  1. SLD76

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    why, because Nadal lost to a guy barely in the top 100?

    so let me get this straight...when fed routinely owned slam winners like agassi, roddick, hewitt, djoker( yes, he still owned djoker after AO 2008 til this year), and safin, its a weak era.

    but nadal loosing to a guy playing out of his mind in the second round proves its a strong era?

    maybe it proves( especially after losing to kohlschreiber in halle) that rafa was still in clay mode and not ready for grass tennis.

    and that he got outplayed today.
     
  2. msc886

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    TDK's one dimensional mind can't comprehend anything other than Pro-Nadal or Anti-Fed.
     
  3. Povl Carstensen

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    It is hypothetical how Nadal and Djok of today would have fared against peak Federer.
     
  4. The Dark Knight

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    Well apparently "peak" Federer is not the problem against Nadal at least . It's just a "bad matchup".....

    So Federer can't win whether it's peak or not.
     
  5. Feather

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    I think you don't know about the head to head,

    Rafa and Roger have played on three surfaces

    Clay Rafa leads 12-2
    Grass Roger leads 2-1
    Hard courts Roger leads 6-5

    So in short, Roger leads on two surfaces, Rafa leads on one surface.

    I will give you another interesting stat

    Roger has bageled Rafa on all three surfaces, yes Roger has bageled Rafa even on his beloved clay :)

    Rafa has bageled Roger only once, that too in clay
     
  6. The Dark Knight

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    First of all what is "loosing" ?

    Secondly yeah Nadal lost ....so what?

    In fact it proves why this is such a tough era.....

    Now Federer still has to get past Gluten free Joker and Mirray for that matter.

    I feel like this is a merry go roud......Agassi and the other guys were nothing at that time period.
     
  7. The Dark Knight

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    Actually I agree with you in a way.....it's my exact argument in the "ba matchup" thread.

    Im saying that Federer has a hard time lasting five sets against Nadal but can still take him 2 out of three.

    Fed fans counter saying its a bad matchup.....

    You guys need to make up your minds ....which excuse is it ginna be "bad matchup " or "peak".
     
  8. Flash O'Groove

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    True. Fed only played some weakling players from the 2000's who wouldn't even be top 100 today. Obviously if Rosol had played at this time he would have been at least top 5 material. Roddick, Safin, and such would struggle to be inside the top 100 with player as good as Rosol.

    Today competition is way thougher. It's not only about the top 2 or top 3 in from the semi-final which is thougher, as explained with brightness TDK, it is though from round 1 nowadays. Serouisly, back in the weak fed era, even the top 5 wasn't as challenging as today's journeymen!!!
     
  9. The Dark Knight

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    28 out of the last 29 were won by the top three. That's 7 years. That goes all the way back to 2005 !!!! Nothing has changed with the top except now there's additional players at the top besides just federer .....so its tougher now.

    I think Federer has a point and I personally agree with him.

    And why does someone else avatar keep appearing everytime? Sort of annoying .
     
  10. Povl Carstensen

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    These things are not mutually exclusive, so you dont have a point.
     
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  11. jackson vile

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    Look how strong this field is, this would never happen back in 2005.
     
  12. Povl Carstensen

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    Look how strong Federer was in 2005, and so on and so forth.
     
  13. PCXL-Fan

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    The high topspin high bounce to the 1handed backhand over and over and over and over and over and over and over is a big problem. Have you seen 2006 & 2007 RO finals?
     
  14. freedomtennis

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    i think federer was in his prime in 05
     
  15. DeShaun

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    Is the field stronger with or without Nadal?
    When did he join the field? Was it the same year that he turned pro? Or was it the year that he began winning slams? Or how about the year in which he finally won his first non-clay slam?
    WHEN DID RAFA'S ERA BEGIN?

    Beginning in 2005, Roger has won ten slams in the exact same era that Rafa has won eleven.


    If it bothers you that Roger was able to collect six slams prior to Nadal winning his first slam, Roger turned pro just one year earlier than Rafa. Rafa had plenty of time to get his game up to speed off of clay, but he never seemed to get around to it until Roger was twenty-six years old and I am sorry but it does not impress me when a junior can out-grind an old man who can scarcely protect his backhand against the junior's arguably hideous-looking attack.
     
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  16. TMF

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    They all play against the same field since 2005, you clown. It's not like in the 60s which had a split fields when they had guys like Emerson was competing in the amateur and Laver was competing in the pro.
     
  17. The Dark Knight

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    Exactly.....

    Fed came out in at least one FO and beat Nadal in one set 6-2. Feds beaten him on clay 6-0......the problem is he can't keep up that level of play for five sets.

    That's not a "matchup" issue.....that's physical strength.

    Nadal just keeps hitting it in the same spot until Fed breaks down. It's a good strategy on Nadals part .....he know Fed can't keep up because he is not strong enough .

    Fed simply has to get stronger . But that's not a matchup issue.
     
  18. ledwix

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    Just to be clear, 31 year old Federer next month will be ranked #2 in the world ahead of prime Nadal. If Federer is from a weak era, then this era is just as weak.
     
  19. The Dark Knight

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    Yeah but Rafa did beat Fed in the greatest match of all time in Feds own house.

    Nothing beats that.
     
  20. TopFH

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    It's not like Federer has more slams, weeks at No.1, etc...
     
  21. The Dark Knight

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    Who cares? Nadal beat Fed in his own house in the greatestatch of all time .

    It's as big as When Federer beat Nadal at the FO.....oops that never will happen.
     
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  22. Povl Carstensen

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    Back to big fonts? McEnroe is comparing Djokovic to himself, not Federers 3 90+ seasons. Pat Cash has a bit of an anti Federer bias, and made his comment before the season was over.
     
  23. Povl Carstensen

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    Oh, changing subject? Smooth.
     
  24. Povl Carstensen

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    Actually Federers fitness level is considered top notch, so you are wrong.
     
  25. Feather

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    Two questions

    1) Why are you cherry picking words? Why you pick the words of people who agree with your line of thought as gospel and ignore the words of guys like Andre Agassi who actually have played both Rafa and Roger?

    2) Why do you use a larger font to type them? Do you think that people out here are blind? Don't you know that it's bad etiquette ?
     
  26. Raging Buddha

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    Pretty interesting, the first replies in this topic stated that there was no need/point of discussion and yet we have 92 pages in less than a month.
     
  27. The_Order

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    Agassi also said Murray would've won slams in a different era.
     
  28. Povl Carstensen

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    But that is not a critique of Federer.
     
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    Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
     
  31. NadalAgassi

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    There is a little difference between 18/19 year old Nadal and 26 year old Nadal you know. To beat Nadal today at Wimbledon is only about 10 times more impressive than doing it in 2005. It is even more laughable that some of you like to pretend 2005 was prime Nadal as the delusional people who try to pretend 2012 is peak Federer.
     
  32. TMF

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    10 times you say?

    How did you arrive at this number?
     
  34. The Dark Knight

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    What about steffi? Even with a
    All the fonts you still missed her?

    You also missed Roger federer himself .

    Now you see why fonts are necessary....your about as smart as my foot.
     
  35. Povl Carstensen

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    Last word.
     
  36. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Contrary to you, I don't fantasize nor obsess about any women, player or whoever else.
    You, on the other hand, are quite another matter. It looks like you still don't understand some rules of adulthood, for instance keeping tennis discussions centered about tennis and NOT about someone's else gf/wife/etc.
    About Fed declaring himself playing in the golden era. As someone else pointed out, do you expect him to say that his era is composed of only losers? MORON.
    Besides, it's so much beyond the point. Read this: you play the hand you are dealt with. Let me know if you cannot understand it.
    If we really follow your logic: Fed beat a bunch of losers for his GS, so he's a loser himself. Now Rafa and Djoker also play pretty much in his era, minus 5-6 years. You said, because these two beat Fed, they should be considered GOAT. How is it that beating a bunch of losers, including Fed, elevate Rafa and Djoker to the rank of GREATs? Don't you have to beat the GREATs to be considered GREAT?
    Putting foot in your mouth. How many times already? I'm maybe not smarter than you but at least I don't try to fool people with some kind of twisted, nonsense logic.
    Finally, Rafa LOST. Shouldn't you go to sleep until USO and let us, the true tennis fans, enjoy some decent intelligent conversations on this forum?
     
  37. frinton

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    If Federer was thriving against a weak field in his best years, what does this say about his current opponents? Looks like the old man made it to the final of Wimbledon, where he has a shot at breaking/improving a few records...
     
  38. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Well,weak field or not, we all saw what 31-year old Fed did a prime Djoker today. Let's not forget what Fed did at FO SF last year too. A testament of how amazing Fed can be when his game comes together.
     
  39. augustobt

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    If he wins on sunday, this won't count. He didn't beat any GS Winner in the final [/TDK]
     
  40. frinton

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    You don't count :)
     
  41. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Relax. His comments meant more for TDK, who got banned BTW?
    How long is the ban? Until the next GS? Can someone tell me?
     
  42. Povl Carstensen

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    1 > other 2?
     
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  43. The Dark Knight

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    Wasn't banned vphuck.....just bored.
     
  44. TMF

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    Oh geezzz, The Dark Night is back. I got to put him on my ignore list again, much like the 6-1 6-3 6-0
     
  45. The Dark Knight

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    Well you should listen because I picked Fed to win Wimbledon because of the roof....I was right yet again.
     
  46. Povl Carstensen

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    Wrong again.
     
  47. The Dark Knight

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    Fed only could win one grand slam this year...why?
     
  48. Povl Carstensen

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    You were wrong.
     
  49. Prisoner of Birth

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    Because he was the best player in just that one Grand Slam tournament?
     
  50. RF20Lennon

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    No because he could only win 7 matches in a row at wimby :twisted:
     

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