Let's disspel the myth that Federer thrived against a "weak field"

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  1. World Beater

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    funny stuff.

    Federer is #1 in this strong era.

    Federer is the only one in the top10 from his generation...pretty amazing..everyone else retired or slumping in the rankings.

    Federer's game and legacy is standing the test of time.
     
  2. The Dark Knight

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    It is amazing . His game is so beautiful so effortless that he never gets injured .

    His body at 30 is in better shape than Nadals at 25.

    ( by the way from your quote you agre that this is the strongest era).
     
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  3. The Dark Knight

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    That's exactly my point.

    You say the "real" number #1. Then you are not going by the numbers. We all know that in reality that Becker is a GOAT even though he was NEVER the year end #1.

    By the way am argument can even be made that Becker was the better player. Numbers are not everything.

    Lendl could never win Wimbledon. Not all grand slams are created equal. Wimbledon is the most important slam . Therefore an argument can be made that Becker was the greater player.

    But if you go by the numbers on paper robotically then yes Lendl is the greater player.

    By the way not even Wimbledon goes by the numbers. They choose who the #1 seed for a tournament by a commitee an vote on it. They do not use the ranking system ( unless that's changed? But they used to just use opinion ).
     
  4. merlinpinpin

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    Long version: no.
     
  5. The Dark Knight

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    I agree with 99% of everything you said.

    Except for the "bad matchup" thing.

    A bad matchup is something like Nadal Vs Davydenko or Blake on hard courts .
    Davydenko an Blake are good players but they rarely made it to a slam final and never won a slam or were ranked #1.

    Nadal wasn't some weird bad matchup . Nadal beat everyone. His style of play was difficult for everyone across the board. That's why Nadal won 11 slams was ranked #1 in the world and I don't know how many finals he has made.
     
  6. edberg505

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    Everyone except the great Lukas Rosol! Bazinga!!!!!!!!
     
  7. DRII

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    speaking the truth....
     
  8. The Dark Knight

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    Exactly my point. That's an example of a bad matchup.
     
  9. kiki

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    Federer played in the era of menthal midgets, excepting for 4 players.That tells it all.
     
  10. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    That's an example of luck and running into an opponent that was playing lights out tennis. Not much you can do when your opponent goes for the lines and hits them with ease.
     
  11. edberg505

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    Wait a sec. Remind me who the #1 player in the world is now at the ripe old age of 31 in this era of 20 something giants?
     
  12. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Rafa... by a mile or two. Wait, wrong player, I think.:)
     
  13. Povl Carstensen

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    Fixed it.
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  14. SoBad

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    No need to fix things that are not broken to begin with.
     
  15. The Dark Knight

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    Nadal is a bit injured though. I'm not even sure he will ever return to tennis.

    The amazing thing is that Nadal at 17 was told he could never play tennis again.

    The injury is sort of a secret and Nadal won't really talk about it . It is rumored however that it's a stress fracture in his foot and that is the reason he wears a sneaker a few sizes small.

    In any event if I had to choose I would take Feds body at 31 over Nadals at 26 any day of the week.

    Federer is in clearly better shape than Nadal.
     
  16. SoBad

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    I disagree - I would roll in hay with Nadal all day before touching Fred with a very long broom.
     
  17. VPhuc tennis fan

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    this thread will veer into the "bad matchup/not bad matchup" stuff, starting from post #2010. Everyone ready? Set, go...
    FYI, there was another so much older thread already on this matchup. You guys can find it, copy and paste when arguing w/ TDK. Save your fingers some work, would you?
     
  18. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Should we stick to tennis issues or starting to digressing to something else?
    Should we get a room then instead?
     
  19. SoBad

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    I think that we need to focus strictly on the tennis issues.

    P.S. I thought we were already doing that?:lol:
     
  20. edberg505

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    Ahh, I see. So, if Nadal wasn't injured he'd be number 1 this year just like he was beyond the shadow of a doubt, right? Just like last year?
     
  21. The Dark Knight

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    The man skipped the open....he probably won't even play the Australian.....I'm afraid actually that he won't ever return much less than being #1.

    But #1 is just b.s anyway. I think Serena has proven that over and over again. Pete Sampras proved it as well. So did Becker before him....the list just goes on and on.

    Even Roger Federer said its b.s.....when Jankovic was number one in the world he said she didn't deserve it. He was right.....I agree with Fed ....you can't just go by the paper.

    You guys try and place a robotic formula on something that is a personal opinion.
     
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  22. The Dark Knight

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    I wouldn't touch Fred either .....Ivanovic , definitely but not Fred. ;-)
     
  23. RF20Lennon

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    Nah he said he'd be back in Abu Dhabi but why is #1 BS??
     
  24. The Dark Knight

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    I hope so !

    #1 is bs because on paper it says who the best in the world is but in reality it's not true.

    The entire ranking system tries to put a scientific ranking system on something that is not scientific .

    That's why Serena and Venus continually beat the number 1 ranked player. That's why Sampras ranked like number 30 or something won the USO....that's why Becker beat Lendl back to back at wimby and then the USO and still was not the #1 player.

    It's bs.
     
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    Federer is the goat.
     
  27. Povl Carstensen

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    It's perhaps the only time the goat has played alongside a surface goat.
     
  28. The Dark Knight

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    The forehand of this Yugoslavian woman is solid.
     
  30. The Dark Knight

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    Yugoslav from Jamaica NY? Rough neighborhood for a Yugoslav no?
     
  31. SoBad

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    Ivanovic is not from Jamaica, is she?:-?
     
  32. The Dark Knight

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    And she's not from Yugoslavia either .....

    In fact there is no more Yugoslavia.....so now I know how old you are . :).
     
  33. SoBad

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    I was already unwell when I had lunch with Ivonne Goolagong and Prince Ferdinand in Belgrade, and that was before year 1920, if I recall correctly.
     
  34. The Dark Knight

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    LOL.....probably not even a woman. Some fat balding 40 year old man with a hairy back.
     
  35. SoBad

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    You're on this forum to search for non-hairy young women, you fresh green troll?:neutral:
     
  36. The Dark Knight

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    Not really but if one turns up my door is always open . :)
     
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    It is not. Interestingly enough, in the other such case, the surface specialist has also a leading H2H in major matches.
     
  38. The Dark Knight

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    What's the other case?
     
  39. SoBad

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    Any luck yet with your open-door policy?:lol:
     
  40. The Dark Knight

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    I don't just let anyone in who comes knocking on my door .:)

    There's a peephole on the door. I'm looking though it right now.....who's there?
     
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  41. Povl Carstensen

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    Why? Sorry just noticed this gem.
     
  42. SoBad

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    I see Alisa Kleybanova.
     
  43. The Dark Knight

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    At least it's not kutszenova. :)
     
  44. SoBad

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    Something against Kuznetsova??:confused:
     
  45. VPhuc tennis fan

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    Shouldn't you two get a room by now? No, I don't want to join in. Thanks in advance. TDK is all yours.:)
     
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    I am going to take a bath with aromatic salts. Guess who's not invited to join me?:neutral::???:
     
  47. The Dark Knight

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    LOL.....Vphuc is upset at my analogy.....

    I said that for me quality is more important than quantity.

    11> 17 to me.....

    For example....I personally would take Brooklyn Decker over Mirka even though there is much more of Mirka. :)


    Just a joke guys.....come on!
     
  48. SoBad

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    11+^17

    Maybe he is a bitter man who is obsessed with size (for some unknown reason).
     
  49. The Dark Knight

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    Omg.....you are funny .

    You complete me . :)
     
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    I see what you did there ;) pulling out Joker lines
     

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