Let's Gather All Grip Specs (Weight & Thickness) Into One Thread

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  1. Automatix

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    Small update.
    My grip size is L3.
    Length of an untrimmed grip was around 1300mm.

    I had to reinstall the grip so I measured it.
    Length trimmed was 1020mm, give or take 2mm.
    Weight: 14,5g so the 0,5g is probably from the finishing tape.

    Just wanted to thank you Jack for doing a great job with this thread.
    It will definitely come in handy for racquet geeks such as myself.

    Cheers!
     
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    Automatix - No problemo, it has been a fun side project. Props to you as well, you've been a great asset to the board for hard to get info on classic and pro stock frames, much appreciated. I've updated your contribution:

    Untrimmed
    20.0g … (1300mm).Pacific Supreme X-Touch (Black) ... (Automatix,2013)

    Trimmed
    15.0g … (GripL3) … (1020mm). Pacific Supreme X-Touch (Black, w/Finishing Tape, 14.5g without finishing tape)(Automatix,2013)

    Thickness
    1.80mm ... Pacific Supreme X-Touch ... (Automatix/Manufacturers Info,2013)
     
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  3. Torres

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    " 14.6g … (GripLx) … (00.00") ... Head HydroSorb Tour (From Stock YT Prestige MP)(Torres,2012)"

    That was a L3. In fact, anything you see for me will be a L3.
     
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  4. Torres

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    Looks like Wilson have discontinued / are discontinuing quite a few replacement grips eg. True Grip :-( , Pro Hybrid, Performance Hybrid, MicroDry, [K]ontrol, K Grip etc. Disappointing that they're getting rid of True Grip (nice, heavy, chunky but not too chunky grip) and Pro Hybrid (nice mix of leather and synthetic, firm but not as firm as leather, thin but not too thin). Made for good grip options depending on racquet / personal preferences.

    http://www.wilson.com/en-us/tennis/grips/#/?filters=61224

    Get 'em whilst retailers still have stock if you want 'em!
     
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  5. bt johnson

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    Great work Jack. I have 4 black Sublimes and 4 white. All of the black ones are heavier than the white. Black one comes stock on Blade 93 and white stock on Blade 98 (2013)

    I have 3 additions

    Prince Calfskin 22g trimmed on L3
    Fairway (seconds) 18g in trimmed on L3
    ATS Leather(GAMMA) 27g trimmed L3
     
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  6. ChicagoJack

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    bt johnson - thanks for the contributions, much appreciated! Lists have been updated with the following:

    18.0g ... (GripL3) … (00.00") ... Fairway Leather (Factory Seconds)(bt johnson,2013)
    22.0g ... (GripL3) … (00.00") ... Prince Calfskin ... (bt johnson,2013)
    27.0g ... (GripL3) … (00.00") ... ATS Leather (Gamma) ... (bt johnson,2013)

    I've noted white and black versions of the Wilson Sublime for the two entries on that one.

    By the way, the 3 Prince Calfskin grips I had on a few of my Pro Ones last summer were really strikingly beautiful. A very deep brown almost chocolate color. One of the better looking grips imo, especially on a mostly all black frame.

    Thanks again.
     
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  7. corbind

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    Babolat Smart Grip Kit (grip width is 15/16")


    STOCK Total Grip Weight = 20.4 grams
    measured uncut with backing removed grams

    Grip length = 45"
    Overgrip = 12.9
    Lower (right) pad = 4.3
    Upper pad = 3.2



    INSTALLED Total Grip Weight = 17 grams
    Cut to size for 4 3/8" racquet (8" pallet)

    Grip length = 40.5"
    Overgrip = 10.8
    Lower (right) pad = 3.4
    Upper pad = 2.8
     
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  8. bt johnson

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    Yep! I put the Prince Calfskin on all 3 of my Blade 93. Looks good! Probably my favorite leather grip.
     
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  9. GBplayer

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    Wilson premium leather grip 25.5g ( sorry didn't measure thickness beforeputting on ).
    Yonex vcore tour 97 factory grip. 12g 1.4mm thick 25mm width 105cm long ( tapered both ends ).
     
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  10. ChicagoJack

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    Corbind -

    Thanks, much appreciated! The big list has been updated with:

    Untrimmed
    20.4g ...(45.00") ... Babolat Smart Grip Kit ... (GripIs12.9g+LowerPad4.3g+UpperPad2.8g,Corbind,2013)

    Installed
    17.0g … (GripL3) … (40.50") ... Babolat Smart Grip Kit ... (GripIs10.8g,LowerPad3.4g,UpperPad2.8g,InstalledOn8"Pallet,Corbind,2013)

    GB Player -

    Thanks! I think those are installed/trimmed specs you are providing?, just want to be sure.
     
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  11. GBplayer

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    Yonex was trimmed and fitted from the factory.
    Wilson premium leather grip was untrimmed and includes plastic tape at top of grip.
     
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  12. ChicagoJack

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    Got it, thanks! First page updated with the following:

    Untrimmed Leather:
    25.5g … (00.00") … Wilson Premium ... (including finishing tape, GBplayer,2013)

    Installed Synthetic:
    12.0g … (GripLx) … (105cm) ... Stock Factory Installed From Yonex V-Core Tour 97 ... (GBPlayer,2013)

    Synthetic Thickness:
    1.40mm ... Stock Grip Fr. Yonex VCore Tour 97 (25mmwide,105cm long,TaperedBothEnds,GBplayer,2013)
     
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  13. Torres

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    Obscure fact which may be of interest to anyone who uses Head Xtremesoft OGs. If you buy the 10+2 white rolls, occasionally you could get one which is fractionally thicker and heavier.

    Of the 6 or 7 rolls I've bought in the last couple of years, the OGs are typically 5g but one roll is 6g and the OG is very fractionally thicker. I guess OGs can be subject to slight manufacturing variances as well.
     
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  14. lgbalfa

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    can anyone comment on the durability of the babolat skin feel?

    thanks
     
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  15. corners

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    Do you mean as a stand-alone grip, or as a base with over grip?
     
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  16. corners

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    Sounds good Jack. Let's standardize this ****!
     
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  17. JackDalton

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    I think you missed the Head synthetic leather grip from the update. I don't have any measurements of my own, but here is something I found:

     
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  18. Rozroz

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    does anyone knows the original Dunlop Hydramax replacement grip thickness? (the one that's on the aerogels)
    thanks.
     
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    as a stand-alone grip.

    thanks
     
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  20. ChicagoJack

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    corners -

    (continuing the discussion regarding diy caliper technique for measuring thickness)

    The guy who is known for being the best grip guy on the planet is Nate Ferguson of Priority One. See this link here for TW article on Nate's gripping technique. Some tall tales here too. He asks his players to provide him with a racquet that is their favorite, in terms of feel, he then he recreates that grip layer by layer. First with a custom pallet that matches the favorite grip. If the favorite grip has some random asymmetrical flaw, then his copies will as well. My hunch is that he is taking caliper measurements to check his accuracy at each stage, first the bare pallet, then with the grip and OG on the frame. Its the same sort of approach we see with custom tuning of racquets, that is to say, tuning to arrive at a specific, repeatable aim point.

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    Quote : "When customizing a racquet, Ferguson asks a player for a racquet with their favorite handle and grip. He then replicates that handle, layer by layer, for every racquet. Ferguson will completely disassemble the factory handle and replace it with a custom made handle.

    "If the player's favorite handle has an imperfection in it, say a slight indent or bump in the foam or palate, then each handle will have that same imperfection. Everything about the favorite handle is replicated."

    Not only will Ferguson custom fit the handle size for his customer, he will also change the shape if required. If a player likes a more rounded grip, but the factory handle for his racquet has a rectangular shape, Ferguson will create a new handle with the preferred shape. Such customization can greatly help players when switching from one racquet brand to another.

    After Ferguson dismantles the grip and handle, taking measurements and notes on each step, he replaces it from one made from his newly created mold. The new handles are made from stronger, heavier foam than most factory handles. Ferguson chooses stronger foam for improved longevity. To hold everything together, Ferguson uses special glue. Any extra weight created by this process is not an issue, as most pros use a heavier than standard racquet. As each step of the customization is carried out, the process is recorded in a book for future reference so the exact handle and grip feel can be replicated for as long as the player desires. "

    -- Making Racquet Customization a Priority, Tennis Warehouse, Link Here

    [..]

    What I'm getting around to suggesting is that, if we really wanted to nail down the topic of grip thickness once and for all, like no kidding ... I think you'd need three digits. 1. Uninstalled first touch 2. Compression 3. Installed thickness. That would be no easy undertaking, but that would be the way to do it. By comparing the first touch to compression digits, you'd have a way of describing comfort and firmness mathematically. From the installed thickness, you'd have some sense of how the variable of material stretch comes into play, and could figure out grip size changes as well.

    Jack
     
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  21. ChicagoJack

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    Hi JackDalton, Yup, I missed all of those measurements from robbo1970. Excellent find, I've updated the list. Much appreciated!
     
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  22. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Rozroz - Dunlop specs pretty rare. Dunlop doesn't post any grip specs on their site, and if you click on their "contact" link, all you get is the mailing address for the corporate HQ in the UK.

    On the first page of the thread, I have a request for specs list going. (see below) I've posted your inquiry there. If the info comes in, I will shoot you a pm.

    Requests For Missing Thickness Digits
    Dunlop Gecko Tac ... MaXXply, 6-7-2013
    Dunlop Tour ... Payam, 6-8-2013
    Dunlop Leather ... ChicagoJack, 6-11-2013
    Boris Becker Leather ... ChicagoJack, 6-11-2013
    Dunlop Hydramax Replacement Grip (Stock Aerogel Grip) ... Rozroz, 6-15-13

    Jack
     
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  23. Payam

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    Hi Chicago Jack,
    I went and bought a Gecko Tac replacement grip. In the package it weighed aroun 30 grams, but when I opened it and took off the package it was 14g exactly. This is the untrimmed weight.

    I also weighed the Dunlop Osmo-Dry Replacement Grip which I had applied on my racket and it is 19g.

    I weighed the Signum Pro Wet Overgrip too and it was 6 grams.

    Here is my small contribution to the most useful thread on this forum, and thanks again for starting it.
     
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  24. corbind

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    Likely due to my math/numbers background but...is your scale down to 1/10th of a gram or weight in grams only?
     
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  25. Rozroz

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    thanks!!

    i just ordered the Kimony leather to minimize the grip size, and i read that the dunlop replacement Hydramax tour is also very thin, so i'm not sure it would even help at all :(
     
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  26. corners

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    Skin-feel is most similar to Gamma's Hi-Tech grip, in my opinion. Same rubbery-tacky feel, but the Skin-Feel, being thinner, is firmer, with sharper bevel definition. It would maybe be a bit too sharp for some without an over grip. But I've played it bare quite a bit. The tack remains for a reasonably long period of time, much longer than any over grip. I'm pretty picky about my grips being tacky, but I've used a Skin Feel daily for at least two weeks, maybe more. Eventually the grip gets dirty enough that the tack gets masked. You could probably clean with rubbing alcohol and revive the tack but I've never tried that. Never seen this grip tear or anything like that. Also, it's thin to begin with and doesn't seem to compress very much over time. I would say the grip is extremely durable. If it didn't lose its tack I'm sure you could use it for months, maybe even years.
     
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  27. Casco

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    Kimony Leather Grips - lighest leather grip

    Weight for Kimony leather, untrimmed 12.5 - 17 grams in sample of 4 grips.
    I used the lighter ones as I did not want to change weight and balance of my Yonex VCore 97 Tours. Trimmed Kimony grips to 12 grams.


    Finally, a leather grip that doesn't necessarily add weight. Great for racquets that are already heavy enough.
     
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  28. Lukhas

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    Anyone has the numbers for Wilson Sublime Black as it is on a Blade 98 2013? I know there are the numbers for the retail one; just wondering. Toying a bit with this tool to see how much headlight I can bring a Blade 98 '13 18*20 with a leather grip or a thicker grip without adding any silicone or lead tape. IIRC, a heat shrink sleeve weights around 10 grams doesn't it?
     
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  29. ChicagoJack

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    Payam, Cosco, - Cool, thanks for the digits, much appreciated! 1st page has been updated. :) -Jack
     
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  30. Payam

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    I don't have a scale (though this thread has seriously tempted to buy one), and I weighed it at the scale of the pro shop which I bought that Gecko Tac from. They have a special scale which measures the racket weight and the swing weight. It showed all the digits in grams as well. I hope this helps.

    @ Chicago Jack: My pleasure.
     
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  31. ChicagoJack

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    ^^
    Speaking of scales, anybody have a recco for a scale that can read in 1/10 of a gram? I'm shopping for something that handles the small items accurately, yet has enough surface area to accommodate an entire racquet as well. My current scale only reads whole digits, and I get a lot of fluctuation with the lighter weight items. I drop a dampener onto it, and it will read 3 grams, then I will drop it again and it reads 4 grams the next time. While I'm certain I'd never detect a 1/10 of a gram difference in terms of swing feel, when you get inconsistent readings like that, make you wonder if that mystery dampener weight is really 3.9 grams, or I just have crappy scale. Also been wondering what model & brand Automatix has. Some of his grip specs read another two decimals after the grams whole number.
     
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  32. GlenK

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    ^Sent you an email Jack.
     
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  33. ChicagoJack

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    Got it, thanks for the info, much appreciated!
     
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    http://dx.com/s/scales.html?sort=-Price&category=406

    You can weigh larger items just fine even with those with a small surface area, provided its flat. You put a small box on the scales eg. cigarrette packet, tare the scales, and the put the racquet on top.

    If you want absolute accuracy and calibration, then you need to be looking at laboratory grade scales but its probably an overkill for this purpose as well as them being x10 the price of normal scales.

    http://www.tovatech.com/digital-scales/precision-scales/

    http://www.scalesgalore.com/plab.htm
     
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  35. robbo1970

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    Has anyone got the Dunlop Gecko Tac thickness yet?
     
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    Casco, does the thin Kimony leather grips feel different than other leather - harder? sharper bevels? Or is the feel pretty much the same once you've added an over grip?
     
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  37. bt johnson

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    It is not harder but has sharper bevels. Mine only weighed 10 g trimmed!
     
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  38. ChicagoJack

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    Hi bt johnson -

    Whoa Nellie! Leather installed at 10 grams, that's a new record. I'd like to get a bit more information for the big list if its not too much trouble. What is your grip size? Onto what racquet? Asking about the racquet because some pallets are longer than others. Better yet would be a trimmed length, but only if you have that handy. Please don't re-wrap it just for lil' ole me.

    Thanks!
     
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  39. ChicagoJack

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    Torres, Glenn K - Thanks for the head start on my search for a scale that measures in 0.1 grams or 0.01. Now that I've got this thread going I have to step up my game to keep up with everybody posting here LOL.

    I just ordered a pretty sweet one, the SC-501 model made by AmericanWeigh. It can measure up to 500 grams in 0.01 increments. It retails for $87.00 but I was able to find it for $40.00 including shipping thru Raukuten (a discount price site) I also found the calibration weights for it at another site for $10.00. I saved about $55.00 by not ordering directly from the manufacturers site. Pretty jazzed to get the calibration weights. I will no longer wonder if my scale has gone wacky on me.

    I figured out that the way to get the 0.01 scales at a reasonable price is to limit the search to no more than 500 grams max limit. The scales with specs like 1000 x 0.01, or 2000 x 0.01, are crazy expensive. Some costing in the thousands. You can get 100 x 0.01 for about twenty bucks.

    I think many of these pocket scales are used in the drug trade. I saw one that was one combination scale / cigarette box. That's sure to be a big seller in the border states ha ha.

    Jack
     
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  40. bt johnson

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    Yeah I was super shocked myself. I put it on a L3 Blade 93 (2013) It was was 10.3 g on my scale.
     
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  41. Torres

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    Wilson Pro Hybrid (trimmed / fitted - Tecnifibre 315 Ltd, L3) = 22g

    That's just as heavy if not slightly heavier than the original Tecnifibre ATP leather grip(!)
     
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  42. djNEiGht

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    I don't have access to a scale to measure grams or ounces without going to the local shop.

    Took off the BB/Volkl Leather and it felt heavier than the Head leather untrimmed. The Head leather seems very close to stock synthetic weight and does not build up the grip size. It is comfy and tacky too when dry...and gets tackier when perspiring.
     
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  43. Muppet

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    Does anyone have the thickness of Becker leather, Hi-Tec and Viper dry?

    TIA
     
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  44. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Muppet, :)

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    Becker leather is already on the request for missing thickness digits on the 1st page. I'm happy to shoot you a PM if that info ever arrives.

    2. Viper Dry is both an OverGrip and a Replacement Replacement Grip. Which are you asking about?

    3. If by Hi-Tec, you mean Gamma Hi Tech, there are four versions of that replacement grip. Are you asking about the standard (non-contoured) version?

    Thanks!

    Jack
     
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  45. Teniludius

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    This is a great thread! I'd like to know the trimmed, installed weight for the black Wilson Sublime. Wilson is putting these on a lot of their racquets now and it'd be nice to know what they could be replaced with without changing the balance.
     
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    Well I asked and got no answers, so I definitely second that request.
     
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  47. Muppet

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    1) Yes, please message me if you get the Becker leather thickness.
    2) I'm asking about the Viper Dry overgrip.
    3) I'm asking about the standard Gamma Hi-Tec replacement grip.

    Thanks for your help. This is a great service you're providing here.
     
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    No problem, Muppet, happy to assist. It's not all me tho, this thread is a collaborative effort for sure. I added those three to the requests/missing list on the first page, but that info might be a while before it shows up. Dunlop, Gamma, and Becker don't publish any thickness specs, so that info doesn't trickle down to any of the dozens of retail web sources. While many of us here have scales, only a few have calipers.

    IMO manufacturers are really shooting themselves in the foot for not providing this information more consistently. I think one is more likely to purchase a grip when you know something about it other than what color it is. If the important digits aren't available, you are likely move on down to the next choice where you DO know what you are buying.

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    Requests For Missing Thickness Digits

    Missing Replacement Grips:
    Dunlop Leather ... (ChicagoJack, 6-11-2013)
    Becker Leather ... (ChicagoJack, 6-11-2013)(Muppet,6-20-13)

    Dunlop Hydramax (Stock Aerogel Grip) ... (Rozroz, 6-15-13)
    Dunlop Gecko Tac ... (MaXXply, 6-7-2013)
    Dunlop Tour ... (Payam,6-8-2013)
    Gamma High Tech (Standard) ... (Muppet 6-20-13)

    Missing OverGrips:
    Dunlop Viper Dry ... (Muppet,6-20-13)


    Jack
     
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  49. ChicagoJack

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    Yowza. That's a new record for installed synthetics. Thanks for the steady stream of contributions. :)
     
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  50. Torres

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    ^ It's actually leather sandwiched with a layer of a rubber like synthetic. Hence the weight I suspect. Not as hard as leather but firmer than any 'normal' synthetic.

    [​IMG]

    The new version is actually improved on the old version (which was bumpy/grooved) whereas the new version can lay flat if you want it to. Retailers still have stock but I do wish Wilson hadn't discontinued it as the extra weight can come in useful when tweaking sticks.

    No worries about the contributions. I'm weighting/rebalancing some sticks at the moment, so this thread has come at a good time.
     
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