Letter to Nadal Fans

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  1. DoubleDeuce

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    Open Letter to Rafael Nadal Fans:

    Rafael is a classy guy that has not been making excuses for himself. Yet, even though he is "leading by example," it hasn't stopped his fans from doing just that.

    You've been telling us in the aftermath of Rafa's loss in Madrid that the tournament is nothing like Paris because of the altitude that makes it play like a hard court (and potentially favors hard court players).

    You've told us that Rafa was tired and softened up by Djokovic the day before. I've even heard that Rafa might have intentionally let this one go because it allows him to go into Roland Garros without the added pressure of maintaining his 32 match win streak (we all know he's superstitious).

    I'm going to address these in the order I mentioned them.

    As for the fact that the altitude makes it play like a hard court, may I remind you that Rafa won the Australian Open and he won Indian Wells. Rafa has won more hard court finals this year than anyone.

    So what that it played like a clay/hard court hybrid? Rafa is the best on clay ever and he's been the best on hard court this year. That wasn't an advantage for Fed (or any other opponent for that matter). The advantage was still with Rafa based on this year's results.

    As for Rafa being tired, that's nonsense too. I am a Fed fan and I can tell you that I bought into the theory that Rafa would be softened up after his long match...with Verdasco at the Australian Open.

    Yes, Rafa had a day of rest in between the Australian Open semifinals and finals but Roger had two days. Rafa also played the late match the day of his semifinal and Roger played an afternoon match for his semifinal.

    So Roger had what would appear to be a significant advantage at the Australian Open and it didn't matter. It was Roger who faded in the fifth set and Nadal who got stronger.

    Rafa is the fittest guy on tour and he's 22 years old. Besides, Roger correctly pointed out that Rafa's semifinal match with Djokovic would have been completed in much less time had he been playing someone else as there is a lot of standing around when playing Djokovic.

    He takes more time between serves than anyone on the tour. That four hour match was not as taxing as it sounds. It could have been played in just under three hours if not for the standing between points.

    Then there are those that believe Rafa was tired of the pressure of keeping up "the streak" and wanted to dump that burden before Roland Garros. His fans cite the fact that he didn't seem upset at all to have lost the match as evidence of this. I say that's bunk.

    Rafael Nadal is one of the fiercest competitors I know and, if he's as superstitious as they say that he is, I can just as easily see him thinking that if he doesn't compete to his ability that somehow the tennis gods will punish him and he'll suffer down the road (or maybe even in Paris). I just can't see this being the case.

    In short, Federer took this match.

    He used to have one of the best serves in the game and has had trouble since he injured his back last year and can't stretch like he used to. As a result, his first serve percentage had been down in the 50's and that is why he was losing matches. He has gotten it back up into the 60's.

    He has developed a killer drop shot. He has gotten his forehand working for him again (and when it is working, it is the best in tennis), and he went to the net much more often. He made the changes he needed to win and you guys don't want to give credit where it is due. Instead, you want to make excuses.

    The bottom line is that Roger converted his break chances and Djokovic didn't. But they are both catching up to Rafa on clay.

    Rafa didn't make excuses and I'm sure he doesn't want his fans to either.

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  2. checkmilu

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    I'm a fan of both Nadal & Fed, I think the match was close, Nadal had 4 break point vs Fed's 2. But Fed coonverted both, that made the difference. Back in Aussie Open, Fed had so many more breakpoint than Nadal, but converted less, that's why he lost. So, what's the key for converting break points? it's mental strenght. This time in Madrid, Fed played with less pressure, just tried to execute his game plan as good as possible, and it worked. Fed still showed a bit nervous in the end, though. The comming F-Open is so still open for the top 4 players IMO
     
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  3. BreakPoint

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    Just one small correction. Both Nadal and Federer played night matches for their semifinals. At the AO, the 1st men's semi is played on Thursday night and the 2nd men's semi is played on Friday night. Federer played on Thursday night while Nadal played on Friday night.
     
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  4. bolo

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    Catching up: only djokovic, mostly in a marginal way. Nadal has probably had his best pre-RG clay court season, as federer mentioned post-madrid.

    Just because nadal won AO 09 doesn't mean he wasn't tired. All tired does is lower your chances to win, doesn't mean you will lose for sure and it doesn't mean it isn't a potential factor in other matches where he is tired.

    It's pretty simple, if nadal is tired in the RG final versus fed. that's nadal's problem and no one elses.
     
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  5. TheNatural

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    Rafa was tired and could barely stand. Full credit to Fed for winning but he should have acknowledged that he only won because Rafa wasn't Rafa in the final.
     
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  6. mikeler

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    I have played 3 set matches that lasted over 3 hours and can play the next day with no problem. I'm a 36 year old club level player that has nothing close to Nadal's physical talent.
     
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  7. rafan

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    Please ...imagine a tournament whereby someone played with a killing serve and returned most shots with a DROP shot. To me that is not tennis. I do not trust the drop shot as I have noticed with Murray he stopped using this for a while when he became more confident but has started using it again when all else fails. To me it is the last hope . Nadal can produce a killer dropshot but thank heavens he rations it and by doing so provides us with far more. Many of his fans who are Nadal watchers knew on the Saturday that that was THE final. I am not taking anything away from Federer as I always enjoyed their rivalry but Nadal is pacing himself and quite rightly too.
     
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  8. King of Aces

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    On the other hand Federer is always making excuses and leading by example for *******s who have an excuse for every one of his losses.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    Check out the ceremony pictures in Odds and Ends. Rafa is playfully tugging at Fed's shirt and smiling away. He was so relieved and relaxed that Fed won and he could now go and focus on the important tournament.
     
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  10. sureshs

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    And nothing close to his opponents either.
     
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  11. sureshs

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    I agree. Fed was just plain lucky. Nadal was not moving and his backhands lacked precision. Fed left the entire court open as he ran around his backhand, but Nadal never bothered to take advantage of this. A fresh Federer defeated a tired Nadal who had won 3 clay tournaments in a row. In the last game, had Nadal broken when he was 40-15 up as Fed started choking, the outcome would have been different because Fed would have been routed in the third set.
     
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    Geez, a topic that started with a great post and now comes to this? *******s, Naltards, everything becomes a reason to mistreat other members just because they are fans of your idol's rival?

    Nadal never bothered to take advantage on getting the court open? Come on, tennis is a sport to take advantage of your opponent's weaknesses.

    Gosh, I'm sick of all this. We're about to see two of the greatest tennis players making history and all people care is to make less of the other. That's ridiculous.

    Every internet forum is like this.
     
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  13. mikeler

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    Agreed, but this is their full time job. I don't get the benefit of training for hours a day. I think that Nadal was mentally tired but not physically. He is in incredible shape but has played too many tournaments in the last month.
     
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  14. sureshs

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    No, we are about to see either one player make history this year with the Calendar Slam, or the other make history by winning 15 Slams. Not both.
     
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  15. sureshs

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    He has won too many tournaments in the last month.
     
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  16. gj011

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    I guess I should have written some letters to Fed fans after his loses in Miami and Rome.

    The OP and the most of Fed fans complaining here should look at the mirror first.
     
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  17. mikeler

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    He has had another incredible clay court season. I just think competing every single day eventually wears you out mentally. Having this week off will recharge his batteries. I'm a Fed fan, but I still expect Rafa to take the French.
     
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  18. pennc94

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    In what way is this "full" credit?
     
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    If Fed wins RG and Rafa wins the USOpen, both of them complete the career Grand Slam. Hos that wouldn't be both making history?

    LOL! Now THAT's funny. Now I'm what, an hypocrite?

    100% agreed.
     
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    Not sure about you, but many Fed fans are. None gave any credit to Djokovic here for his two recent wins over Federer.

    Now they flood the forum with complaining.
     
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  21. Cyan

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    Ditto.......
     
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    Agreed...........
     
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  23. Bud

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    Do you play day in and day out, tournament after tournament?

    Did you also win 3 big tournaments before said 3 hour match? :roll:

    How can you even compare hobby/club tennis with the rigors of professional tennis?
     
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    Bingo! It's the mental fatigue that's the kicker... not the physical fatigue.
     
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  25. sureshs

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    Not really. 5 men have done this before, and one in the modern era.

    No one has done 15 Slams, and no one has done the Calendar Slam in the modern (not to be confused with Open) era.
     
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  27. Nadal_Freak

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    Madrid is over with. Lets talk about RG. We could analyze Hamburg 2007 Final all day as well. Why the effort?
     
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  28. Sentinel

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    lol. you guys certainly are eager to forget Madrid, or else only talk to discredit Federer.
     
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  29. Nadal_Freak

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    And you don't want to think about what's going to happen at RG. You can live with your Madrid victory as Rafa takes home RG for the 5th straight time. :)
     
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  30. Sentinel

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    There you go again!

    Of course Rafa will win RG! But why are you guys so insecure about one tiny win. Rafa does not seem concerned about madrid, why are you Nad fans behaving like your modesty has been outraged.
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Not if Bjorn Borg has anything to say about it.

    The Borg curse is alive and well! :shock:

    Just ask Federer. He knows all too well about the curse. :(
     
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  32. okdude1992

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    yea but have you played high quality, grueling, pro level tennis for 4 hours straight? there's a huge difference buddy. no offense... but i dont think any of us mortals can comprehend the stamina needed to play pro tennis.
    anyway agree with the OP, the nadal fanboys trolling/excuses has been bad since the Madrid Final.
     
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    THAT is epic. LOL
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    OTOH, when I play a 3 hour match, I don't take nearly as much time as either Nadal or Djokovic before serving each point, I don't take 90 second breaks during changeovers (in fact, I usually don't even sit down but just change sides), I don't call for medical timeouts, and there are no breaks for when the umpire gets off of his chair to check ball marks or for Shot Spot replays. Lets' face it, just like in NFL football, in 3 hours of elapsed time, there's only about an hour of actual play.
     
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  35. tahiti

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    Nadal needed a loss to know what it feels like, to keep his concentration and hunger up for the good one. I sure as hell hope Fed has done something to improve his game, but one victory doesn't prove anything.

    I've recently left this board because it's so biased in Fed's favour, gets really boring. But as RG is starting thought I'd pop in and see how you guys are doing. As I thought, nothings changed :) Enjoy the next Grand Slam.
     
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  36. Cloudy

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    lol thats the funniest thing I've read all week
     
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  37. Sentinel

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    Roger needs a physics consultant.

    Not quite. Three hours, if it were at sea level. Due to "high" altitude and reduced gravity Djokovic's 18 ball bounces took 20% longer time. Thus, anyone else would have finished the match in under two hours.

    For the same reasons, pulling up your socks takes less effort in reduced gravity, so Rafa could not have been too tired to serve well/return well etc.
     
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  38. mikeler

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    I'm no pro, but at the 5.0 level I can play a lot of long points. I play "speed" tennis too. I never take breaks on changeovers and I play in the hot and humid summers of central Florida. Many of my matches would be 4+ hours if I took as much time as those two guys you mentioned.
     
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  39. fednad

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    What was he in the final then - Serena?
     
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    I have started a thread on the issue of Rafa's tiredness. It may be of help to him and you
     
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    Oh that guy (TheNatural) is banned...Thank GOD!!
     
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  42. fednad

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    Would this important tournament have a real final or not?
     
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  43. fednad

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    Now I get it. All your inflammatory posts about Nadal are a facade.
    In real, you are just another *******.
     
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    Hey GJ - good to see you around mate.
    Has ATP release the DVD of the "real" final yet?
     
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    By his level of intelligence, this is full credit
     
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  46. Sentinel

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    So all of Federer's backhand shanks and UE's and his poor movement this last year means that Nadal was lucky for all those wins.

    Feel relieved to know that is sorted out.
     
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    How classy of you to be glad someone else got banned.
     
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    I'm happy. The guy was a terrible poster.
     
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    How classy of you to have over 9,000 posts refering to how tired Nadal is. You hater.
     
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    You're the one to talk about class :roll:

     
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