Level gap between D1 and a D3 Player

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  1. GatorNation

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    Would a Division 1 player totally destroy a Division 3 player or would it be closer, like three sets?
     
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  2. Misterbill

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    Can you narrow that question down a little?

    There are D1 players who destroy D1 players, nevermind D3. On average D1 is better than D3, but we all knew that already.

    Are you or a relative or a friend trying to decide between D1 or D3? Help us help you.
     
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    I go to a mid-range D1 school, that played a D3 school this past year. One match was close (7-6 6-4) but nothing else. Most of the other matches were 1 and 2, or 2 and 3.
     
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  4. GatorNation

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    No, I watched the Florida Gator men's team play recently and it looked like tour level pros playing. I just was wondering how badly they would beat a little known D3 college.
     
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  5. swedenparty

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    shouldn't drop more than 3 games overall.
     
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    A little known D3? It wouldn't be close. A top ranked D3, might actually put up some decent scores, but I would still expect a 7-0 victory for the Gators.
     
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    If they are anything like the D3 school I go to they would lose 7-0 without dropping a game. Even I can compete with most of the players on my school's team and I play 3 months out of the year
     
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  8. doubleshack

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    I'll try to help narrow it down.

    Top six D3 players in the country form an all star team and take on the Gators. What is the outcome?

    My guess...playing D1 rules, doubles is worth 1 point, Gators probably take it. Going into Singles, 1 and 2, give it to Gators. After that, hmmm. 4-6 will go to D3. Top D3 players could have played D1 and choose not to for various reason. So my prediction is the match comes down to #3 singles. Third best D3 in the country vs Gator's #3...I'm going with D3, they win.
     
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    Among domestic recruits, the D3 all-stars might include about three players who were 5-star recruits coming out of high school, while 5-star recruits are commonplace at a school like Florida and the bottom three positions in the lineup will be low blue chips or high 5-stars. The overseas recruits in D3 are rarer than the top domestic recruits, and the top domestic recruits tend to dominate the top positions at the top D3 teams. In the most recent recruiting class, only one 5-star recruit signed with a D3 school (Conrad Harron of Illinois, a middling 5-star, signed with Williams).
     
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  10. goldy0084

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    I think this is what little kids call making a funny!!

    Steph Piro who played part of the year is a Promotion rank in France. He may take about 40 minutes to beat the #1 player in D3...and that is probably tanking (which those darn Frenchies seem to do so often!!). Please put down the pipe brotha.
     
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  11. goldy0084

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    Part of the year -at 3-..then to 1
     
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  12. Topspin Shot

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    D1 is generally better than D3, but there are D3 schools and players that would destroy D1 schools and players. Obviously, #1 D1 Virginia would destroy #1 D3 Williams, but Williams would beat a good number (possibly the majority) of D1 schools.
     
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    Florida will beat a team formed by 6 top ranked D3 players 7-0 or 9-0!

    The top 6 Gaters are Blue Chip (or BC caliper) recruits. The top ranked D3 players (June 2013) are listed below. The players from a D1 power house like U Florida would usually improve more than the players from a D3 school.

    Rank- Player - School - Year of HS Graduation - TRN Ranking
    1 - Adam Putterman - Wash U-St. Louis -2009 -143
    2 - Mark Kahan - Amherst - 2009 -94
    3 - Nicholas Ballou - Cal Lutheran - 2007 - 209
    4 - Aaron Skinner - Trinity (TX) - 2011 -242
    5 - Robert Kjelberg - North Carolina Wesleyan - 2011 - Sweden
    6 - Ryan Ybarra - UT-Tyler - 2008 - 47 (Committed to UNC Wilmington, played for Texas Tech)
     
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    You don't usually see those kind of match ups but 2 years ago in Atlanta during the US Open Regional Qualifier, Dillon Pottish (Emory)#2 DIII split sets with Chris Kearney #42 D1(UC-Irvine).
     
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  15. floridatennisdude

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    Recently? This post was in mid July. Men haven't played since early May.

    Anywho, top 25 D1 is a legit comparison to Lower level Futures events. Majority of D3 players would eat bagels and sticks.
     
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    How close would be the worst D1 team taking on the best D3 team?
     
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    Gag me with a spoon....as they used to say.

    I guess you really smoked out an impostor, Sherlock, with your calendar and all. GatorNation's assessment of Florida in July based on what he may have seen at the last possible opportunity in May is good enough for the rest of us and is as recent as you can get.
     
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  18. jonkras

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    I don't know about the worst D1 team, but I know that Colgate is D1 and the top 30 D3 schools would blow them off the court
     
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  19. berdych31

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    Colgate is not that bad. There are worse D1 schools.
     
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  20. GatorNation

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    Or i saw them back in April against A&M and am now curious.
     
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    This is a match with just 2 players. Could go either way. Yet, all other things being equal, D1 will almost always destroy. On the other hand there are kids playing D3 that could easily have played at almost any D1.
     
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    In a lot of different sports as well. Academics, not wanting to be owned by the program, location, boyfriend/girlfriend, family history, etc. are reasons it happens.
     
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    Came across a mens match last spring between the #36 DII player vs #1 DIII player. DII player won 6-3, 6-1. I realize its just one match. Not sure why folks continue to fantasize the realities between the two divisions. So what if a top 5 DIII team can beat the #129th best D1 team. This type of result happens every year. Cross divsion play happens and once In a while what should happen on paper does not play out on the playing field. There's a reason why no DI teams play Armstrong Atlantic and vise versa. Just let the kids play tennis, get an education and be the best they can be.
     
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    BTW (I'm from europe): Is there relegation and promotion between the divisions, i.e. can a D1 team drop to DII and vice versa?
     
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    The link is correct, but a school can be DI in some sports, and DIII in others. For example, Johns Hopkins is a DI lacrosse school, and a DIII field hockey school. And while there are athletic scholarships at DI and DII schools, the number offered per sport is a maximum allowable. So while there may be 4.5 tennis scholarships allowed, the school doesn't have to offer that many. And as you can tell from the 4.5 number, not all scholarships have to be full scholarships. Plus, DIII schools can, and some do, get around the no scholarship rule by offering other types of scholarships that mysteriously go away if the student decides to quit playing.
     
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    The info about how not every school is funded to the NCAA limit is at the link.

    Johns Hopkins playing D-I lacrosse while being D-III in every other sport is an exception that actually required an NCAA rule that is called "the Johns Hopkins rule." It was because of their tradition in lacrosse. Are there any other exceptions? If not, it is not really relevant to explain to an overseas tennis player looking at NCAA tennis.
     
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    For completeness, I believe there are twelve D-III schools that compete in one D-I sport, seven of which can give athletic scholarships for the D-I sport. I agree that this is not relevant, as none are D-I in tennis.

    On the original topic:
    I often hear people downplaying the level of the top D-III programs. Even though they are not at the level of the top D-I players, they still play tennis at a very high level. Then again, the bottom D-III programs play tennis at its lowest competitive level. I'd estimate the variance from 3.5 to 6.0.
     
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  29. HappyMilk

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    Most people keep their eyes on the top D1 schools are impressed.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the top D3 schools landed a few sets on the lower D1s.
     
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