Level of play in Florida vs level of play in NC?

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  1. Babolatbarry

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    Like usta tournament player level. I live in NC but I'm going to florida over the summer and I have 3 tournaments planned. Like how good is the typiucal L4 NC 16 year old vs L4 FL 16 year old? Thanks!!
    I expect the FL to be better, obviously.
     
  2. 5263

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    I don't know how much of a typical L4 there is, since at that level there is quite
    a bit of variance everywhere, but NC has a lot of very good tennis in Jrs with their top players, so I expect the L4 should be pretty solid as a rule. Every state is going to have some weaker L4 events though.
     
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    NC is actually a pretty strong state for tennis, however Florida probably will have a stronger field. At an L4 level, usually the difference will be almost negligible, but once you get into the L2 range, it is a stronger state than NC.
     
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    Florida has the Bolleteri camp, many hard courts and har-tru courts, many pro players training there, I would imagine that Florida has a higher level of play. However this is biased because I live in Florida and have no idea of what sort of tennis programs are present in NC.
     
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    there will still be players who are better than you,and players worse than you where ever you go and at what ever level.
     
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    Florida is WAY harder than NC.. a player 5 in NC would be like 50 in FL
     
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    Florida juniors was brutal. So many good players. I'm a strong 4.5 and it was difficult getting wins.
     
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    You can't EVEN say that. On a given year, 5 in NC might be 4 in FL, but that is not what he is asking. He is asking how an level 4 in general would compare. That would depend on what part of FL, some same for NC. Both have lots of good tennis but FL is deeper.
     
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    Completely depends on the tournament. Just like an L4 in Eastern NC is completely different from an L4 in Western NC.
     
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    Mid Florida-South Florida is the strongest imo. Many good coaches, camps, leagues, etc.
     
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    NTRP works better then people give it credit for. In the better tennis states there are simply more players playing at a higher level. So in Florida there is a pretty large 5.0 community. Where in NJ/NY its more of a rarity - and those guys might be teaching pros..

    People like to imagine that every level is equivalent to 1 more NTRP level in another state. But this gets increasingly ridiculous as you move up the levels.. Not all the 5.5 players in Florida could join the tour..
     
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    L4 isn't refering to NTRP, the OP is asking about junior tournaments and L4 refers to the level of the tournament itself not the level of the players in the tournament.
     
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    BTY Barry,

    I know I may have gotten on your case in some previous posts ... but ...

    Good luck in Florida if you play some tourneys there ... hope you do well.
     
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    What really affects the ntrp malfunction imo is the many ex college and ex ranked jrs that play in some areas like Atlanta and often playing as low as 4.0-4.5, but even sometimes at 3.5 for some reason. Despite the huge number of ex jrs and ex college players in Atlanta, 4.5 is sort of small and almost no 5.0 going on.
     
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    You're right that NTRP does generally do a fairly effective job of evening out rating levels across the country. In fact, I'd say that there is far more variance between players WITHIN each level in any given state than there is between the average players ACROSS states. While NTRP does a good job of minimizing the Between Variance among states, the formula does a relatively poorer job of limiting the Within Variance in each state.

    However, BB is talking about age group tennis in juniors where there is no mechanism to standardize player ratings across geographical region. L4 just refers to the 4th tier of junior tournaments, but there is no reason to believe L4 tournaments in NC should be the same caliber as L4 tournaments in FL (or even North FL vs South FL).
     
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    That is what happens here in Central Florida. There are plenty of players I'd consider as 5.0s who play 4.5s because nobody signs up for 5.0 leagues or tournaments.
     
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    I think this is an interesting and good point.
     
  18. GuyClinch

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    Whoops. Sorry about that.. Yeah got to imagine Florida is tougher then. I see your point.
     
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    I would have to agree, but I think NC is easily overlooked as one of the surprisingly strong
    tennis states, so I would not expect a L4 in NC to be
    a cake walk and you just might run into a couple of studs that are equal to
    or better than the excellent FL standards.
     
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    That comparison is about right. Conservative if anything. Top 40 FL juniors have beaten NC's best in National tournaments.

    Florida is a great place to develop.
     
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    Few years back now, but my oldest son hammered several top 20 FL jrs in
    the couple of FL events he played and he was ranked around #10 in GA at the time.
    Both areas have gotten stronger and deeper since imo.
     

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