Lighter more powerful LM Prestige MP

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  1. prmeier

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    Have been using the LM Prestige MP strung at 56 lbs generally using Og Sheep Micro 17g. Love the racket but would like a bit more zip and spin on my serve and backhand (one hand).

    Was thinking something a touch lighter and easier to swing and perhaps a bit firmer would be better. Had a hit with the FXP Radical MP and it was good to swing but lacking a bit of punch owing to the lighter weight. Need something in between. Perhaps RDS 001 MP. Any suggestions.
     
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  2. CBORNANCINI

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    prmeier, I´ve been using a Companion Vortex 1.2, midplus version (97"), 330g, almost even balance (2 or 3 points head light), string pattern: 18x20 . It´s very solid, easy to generate spin (I´m a clay court baseliner player), and has a good blend of power and control. I don´t know if this stick is available in your country, but maybe this is what you looking for.
    Hope this helps.
    Carlos
     
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  3. LowProfile

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    Liquidmetal Instinct. Good pop and works well for one-handers. A similar styled racquet to the LM Prestige, only slightly lighter and more manuverable.
     
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  4. prmeier

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    Never heard of these. Where are they available. I usually buy my racquets from the US as prices over here are ridiculous.
     
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  5. monologuist

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    try the Tecnifibre Tfight 315. Instinct is pretty different...it is open patterned. Volkl DNX10, Tour 9 V-Engine 18x20, or the upcoming DNX9. RDS001 MP is not gonna have as much power on serve as the Prestige.
     
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  6. Serve-And-Volley

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    The Instinct is an awesome racquet, the tight string pattern allows some additional control, and the light weight lets you swing fast and through the ball. Actually a pretty solid racquet. The Prestige is sort of similar, as far as tight string pattern, but everything else is different. You probably should demo some more before buying anything.
     
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  7. chex

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    you could try the fxp radical tour.. it's a bit heavier, and has a bit more punch to it.
     
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  8. snoflewis

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    tfight 315 definitely has a lot of pop, but is a bit on the stiff side.
    the tour 9 VE 18x20 is in my opinion, a disaster. it has absolutely no power and is way too light.

    i would try the TF315, LM radical MP, maybe even the babolat pure storm?
     
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  9. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    The Liquidmetal Instinct is not open patterned--it's 18 by 19.

    The Wilson Blade might be a good one to try.
     
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  10. bluegrasser

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    The sticks to try would be - Bab Pure Storm, Dunlop 300 mfil _ I thought of saying the Radical mp, lm or fxp, but not much for a power increase, also try the o3 white Prince.
     
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  11. CBORNANCINI

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    prmeier, I bought mine in Brazil, and pay 150 dollars per it. I heard these racquets were produced in Canada. The Companion is more a trademark of squash racquets, but produced very fine tennis racquets too.
     
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  12. jackson vile

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    You can't be serious? Switch to gut then, people have got to stop saying it is the racket, take a look at your strokes also, and a lower tension.


    I hit extreme spin with this racket and think it is very powerful:confused:
     
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  13. nViATi

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    So you're saying you wouldn't hit harder and with more spin if you switch to something like a Babolat Pure Drive? I doubt it. Stop trying to boost your ego.
     
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  14. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    nViATi--Perfectly stated.
     
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  15. jackson vile

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    Ego nothing it is called physics dork! Further more you are so ignorant that you did not even say if you were in reference to the standard or plus.

    Next for someone with a full proper strokes the standard will no be more powerful, the static weight and SW are much lower than that of the LMP.

    Next the plus version has an extra .5" lower static weight and 7 more on the SW. And it would only be fair to compare it to a LMPmid which will blow it away in the power department as it will allow more force to be put into it.


    All of these rackets are only a powerful as you make them with proper swing.

    The LMP+ is very powerful with a full swing and gives massive spin easily, this is my very first stick and I have demoed 75% of all current players frames.

    Look at Pete 85sqin in and he was 130mph and he was not about speed rather about spin and placment. Compare that to Rodick that is 100% about speed, look at all top speed servers and you will only see to that are using a tweener racket, rest use 90sqin rackets. previous fastest serves 145+mph were done with 90sqin rackets.


    Just take the serve itself for example, the life and death of it is techniqe and the racket would be last.

    You show great ignorance and must be new to tennis:mrgreen:
     
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  16. bluescreen

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    i agree w/ jackson. i dont know how an ego would influence his comments. people these days r too quick to blame their racquets for their tennis shortcomings and not their strokes, mechanics, etc. simply getting a lighter, more powerful racquet isnt always gonna solve your problems. i cant believe u guys r chewing this guy out just cuz he offered his opinion. just because he thinks human error is at fault over a racquet doesnt make him egotistical.
     
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  17. ChicagoJack

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    1. I'm suprised this comment. It goes without saying that any frame is powerful, provided you can swing it fast enough, but the larger issue is, not everybody can. Having played with the LM Prestige MP for two years, thought the great thing about it was the relatively mid - low power level. This range provides me less fear of hitting the back fence and keeping the ball in. Once that realization kick in, I swing faster-bigger-less fear of hitting long and good things start to happen in terms of spin and control. If the frame is too powerful, I attempt to push and guide the ball in the court, then I am toast.


    2. I for one understand completely the quest for a slightly lighter and slightly more powerful LM Prestige MP. I eventually settled on a teeny bit lighter, and a noticeable, but not huge gain in power with my current frame, which also put me back in the Volkl camp where I have mostly been since the late 90's. I had a great Demo with the Prince 03 Red, loved it from the baseline, but decided it was too big a change for me, and I could'nt figure out how to volley with it. I'm sure it can be done, I just could not find a groove at net. The Fischer Pro #1 Impact FT (102) is a widely undiscovered and currently discontinued very good tweener frame. It has a bit more power, and is considerably lighter. I've purchase three of these used, thinking they will make a great platform for lead customization.


    3. Thought I might provide some food for thought. I have compiled power ratings for most all frames going back the last 10-15 years. Here are just a few for points of reference and comparison. The source is the United States Racquet Stringers Association.

    4. The problem with keeping variables constant in the lab is, that is not how the real world works. If you give a lighter frame to some players, they will swing it at the same speed as the heavier one. If the ratings seem not to make sense to you, seem not to match the real world, this is probably the reason for it. The USRSA assumes a constant swing speed for each frame.

    The flip side of this viewpoint of course, is that every frame is powerful, provided you can swing it fast enough. This is where the examples of former and current pros using all sorts of frames effectively, has its day in court.I believe this is the quoted point JacksonVile is attemting to make. While the comment is hard to argue with, the usefullness of the comment to us mere mortals is slim to none.


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    Higher Number = More Power
    (assuming same swing speed for each, see point 4)

    947_Head Arthur Ashe Comp III
    1260_Dunlop Max 200G (McEnroe/S.Graff)
    1511_Cayman Pro Heat II
    1683_Yonex RD 7
    1730_Head Satellite Tour
    1740_Volkl Tour 10 VE Mid
    1741_Yonex RDX 500 (90)
    1811_Fischer Pro Tour
    1839_Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 Original Mid 85
    1880_Head Prestige Classic 600
    1932_Fischer Pro No 1
    1931_Wilson nSix-One Tour
    1932_Prince Tour Diablo Mid

    1957 Head LM Prestige MP

    1960_Wilson Pros Staff Tour 90
    1978_Fischer Pro Extreme
    1986_Head Prestige Tour 300 MP (660-102)
    1995_Head LM Prestige Mid
    2015_Fischer Pro No 1 Impact FT
    2020_Volkl Tour 10 MP Gen II
    2038_Prince Graphite Classic Mid 93
    2042_Head LM Instinct
    2057_Wilson Hyper Hammer 6.2 95
    2159_Yonex RDX 300 MP
    2220_Volkl V-1 Classic
    2222_Prince Graphite Classic OS
    2240_Prince Turbo Shark MP
    2243_Yonex RDX 300
    2451_Prince O3 Red
    2381_Volkl C-10 OS
    2243_Yonex RDX 300 Super Mid
    2451_Prince Triple Theat Warrior OS
    2382_Head LM 8
    2545_Head LM 4
    2583_Volkl Quant V-1 OS

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    -Jack
     
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  18. pchoi04

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    I think a POG MP 93sqin would be good. Tons of spin, good weight, great all court racquet in my opinion. I use a one hand back hand on it as well and I like it. The weight really helps me hit through the ball. And in my opinion was alot easier to play with than the prestige was.
     
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  19. brucie

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    If you want to stay loyal to Head how about lm radicial tour
     
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  20. nViATi

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    Yeah.. of course all of us take full swings with as much racquet head speed as the pros.
     
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  21. jackson vile

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    You know I should have not put it past you to show such brainlessness and miss the whole point:rolleyes:

    Little kids play with the LMP+, but no lets talk him into spending $200.00 more on another racket instead of addressing the real issue:confused:
     
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  22. Head_Rocketman

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    You don't have to be a pro to play well with a certain racquet.
     
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  23. jackson vile

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    The thing is if we go by the power level ratings you have found and shown us here, we see that that LMPmid is supposed to be quite a bit more powerful than the MidPluse.

    How many people have we seen complain that it does not have enough power, and it would not be a good choice as this person evidently does not even have a large enough swing for the MidPlus version.


    I don't see what the problem is with restringing with gut at 55lbs and going and seeing a pro to get help with the swing techniqe?



    If they are a person that is about settling then fine, but to me I look to advance. The prestige MP is one of the most popular rackets around used by all ages in all surfaces and all types of games from S&V to BL bashers.

    I say instead of saying this or that racket sucks you first look at yourself and then address the stringing tension and type.

    I Could hardly play with this racket last summer, I would hit and it would just die. It was pre-strung at 63lbs or so, that was problem #1, I restrung with NXT at 57lbs and found that it needed to go even lower due to the tight pattern.

    Then I had to address #2 which was the swing technique, people say that it is impossbile to play at the level I do in the short time that I have played.


    The point is that you can make any racket more powerful simply by changing the string type and tension, so why jump to another racket. And that is first considering if your strokes are right, which we don't even know.

    So perhaps you are feeding a bad technique that could rob the person of leveling up as well as elbow and shoulder problems from postively reinforcing the bad stoke. So that is where we need to start.


    It is so much cheaper to go NXT at 55lbs-53lbs than it is to buy a new $179 racket is it not, and it will not take much time.


    I think it is just so delinquent and ignorant to not address the first and most likely possabilities that are so quickly and cheaply (relatively) addressed.
     
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  24. nViATi

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    Read the original post. He wants racquet suggestions. He isn't asking for criticism regarding his strokes.
     
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  25. jackson vile

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    He said he "loves" The prestige, but just wants a bit more power and spin, so why not address some possbile problems first like a logical rational intelligent human?

    It's $30 for good string and stringing, or $179 for new racket:rolleyes: These posts are about advice and are openended.

    If you pose a certain question to a pro such as this they will tell you the same thing, try it go to your local pro and see what they say.
     
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  26. aRod36

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    i like jackson's point of the mechanics aspect but what it all comes down to is what your personal preference is, what someone would say is not enough power might be perfect to another person.

    everyone is entitled to their choice of racket.
    i think you should try the pog it might suit you.
     
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  27. jackson vile

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    I agree with you here about the racket, still soft with great balance ect but stifer ect.

    But here is the thing, we dont' know if it is the mechanics. If it is the POG will be a complete disaster with a smaller head, and higher swing weight.

    Furthermore as stated this person "loves" the prestige, really we are just poking in the dark attempting to solve a problem and we aren't even sure what the problem is
     
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  28. nViATi

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    They have a bias. Try asking if you need a new racquet or improve your technique they will definately say technique. Try the same to an owner of a racquet store they will say the opposite thing.
     
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  29. ChicagoJack

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    I invite you to re-read point #4 in my original post.

    4. The problem with keeping variables constant in the lab is, that is not how the real world works. If you give a lighter frame to some players, they will swing it at the same speed as the heavier one. If the ratings seem not to make sense to you, seem not to match the real world, this is probably the reason for it. The USRSA assumes a constant swing speed for each frame.

    -Jack
     
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  30. jackson vile

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    I'm not really sure what the relevance of the data is then unless it is just you simply wanting to refute something.

    Further more I am not sure what you post reply to my comments are about:confused:

    They don't seem defined.

    But reguardless as I said it is a fact you can raise the power of any racket by string type and tension which was my original suggestion in the first place, not to mention the the stoke.


    But things here are furhter complicated with your opponent hiting with more spin and physically it is impossbile to deal with a heavier and heaveir spin and pace with a lighter racket.

    Thus a light racket will be defeated by a a heavier (more energy storing) racket, we see this with Rodicks real racket weighing even more than his signature one with an even higher swing weight.

    You can not punch someone out with a feather as it will no reatian as much energy.

    Thus the lab results are even less relative to the real world, not to mention the stroke mechanics.


    I have said my peace and am quite tired of having to reiterate commen sense of physics and tennis.

    Who ever can do what ever they want, as their results will be well deserved, good luck to who ever.
     
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  31. ChicagoJack

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    Jacksonvile -

    1. My oringinal post #17 has four points, they are clearly stated, and cannot be made any simpler. You seem adept at the practice of saying you don't understand, and yet diagreeing with the content at the same time (frownie face plus 3 question marks). If you disagree, fine with me. If you don't understand, fine as well, to say you are both is a merely a bit of message board jiu jitsu in my opinion.


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    2. In a nutshell, you've made the statement "The LMP+ is very powerful with a full swing"
    Powerful compared to what?


    I have provided some data (reply 17) that seeks to answer that question. The data assumes a constant swing speed for every frame weight. In the real world, the constant swing speed notion breaks down eventually. If you keep using heavier and heavier frames everyone will reach a point at which power either stops increasing or diminishes. Conversly if you give somebody a lighter frame, some will swing it just as fast as the heavier one, and do nothing with this rebate. I'm comfortable revealing my personal bias. I played with this frame for two years and rather enjoyed what I would consider the low to mid range power level of the LMP+

    2A. The point of the data is clear, if you keep your swing speed exactly the same, the strings the same, you can figure out which frames are more powerful. Energy loss would be a more appropriate term as there is obviously no propulsion system in a frame, but everbody uses the word power so we are stuck with it. As a point of reference I've provided a short list of these results. I too raised an eybrow over the fact the data shows the LMP MID as slightly more powerful than the LMP MP. Consider though that the mid has one of the highest swingweights among frames in current production. Few can swing it as fast as the MP which is much lighter. If you can get those heavy ones moving, they do pack a wallop.

    2B. If you'd like to argue this data I've provided is not the real world, I agree. But it does tell you what provides more or less ball velocity given a constant swing speed with every frame.

    2C. There are frames that are more powerful than others. This is something you seem not willing to acknowledge. I posted the data as a way of illustrating this idea. Prmier can use it as a point reference in his demo selections as well.


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    3. I think you've made a good suggestion to also look at string tension, string material and technique. I don't disagree with you but you could have made these points in two sentences. We get it. Only thing I see as slightly inapropriate is all your endless drama about these two sugestions which are out on the skinny branches of the topic.


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    4. If prmeir is already swinging as fast as he can, and unhappy with depth, velocity and or weight, he's not loony to be inquring about an equipment change. To flatly state that anybody wishing to switch from the LM Prestige is "not intrested in advancing" is well, a statement that is quite revealing, and undeserving of comment.


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    If you want to take your ball and go home because we would rather address the topic at hand, (which would be suggestions for a racquet change), rather than the other issues you feel are more important, knock yourself out. We will be here discussing the topic at hand.


    -Jack
     
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  32. prmeier

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    Guys, I have started another thread asking about particular racquets.

    I agree that you can hit good spin and power with the LMP, It doesn't work with my strokes. I am a former professional tennis coach and an accomplished player. I string my own racquets as well as racquets for a number of stores in my area so have tried many combinations in my own racquets.

    My problem is that I have compact groundies using older style eastern grips. Nowhere near as extreme as todays eastern grips. My main weapon is serve and volley and try to control the depth and direction of my groundies. I try to block/punch the return of serve early, inside the baseline usually, and play from as close to the baseline as possible in rallies to look to get to the net.

    With my groundies I'm just not getting enough pace/topspin. I can flatten them and get the pace or get more spin but then lack pace, mainly because of my shorter swings. Looking for something that will enable me to generate more pace with shorter swings.
     
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  33. madevil_zero

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    get the liquid metal instinct XL good for 1 handers
     
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