Line Call Rant - Worst USTA Tournament Experience

If I think there is a questionable call I usually won't challenge them or make a big scene. A questionable bad call here or there, no big deal. We are all human, and what I see might not be what you see.

During my semi finals match I played someone and he started making questionable calls the first game! The balls he was calling out were not even on the line. I hit a volley that may have been 4-5 inches inside, yet the call was out. My response to each call would be a very nice "was that ball out" he would replied, "yes" or "it was out"

By the time I was serving at 3-2 he had made another bad call on a backhand pass. This was the 6th bad call out of only playing 5 games. I said "I'm sorry (his name), but I’m going to have to get a line ref. Some of the calls you are making are not questionable from what i'm seeing" This was said in a very calm voice.

He seemed offended and responded "hey man, I’m the type of guy that if the ball is in and i call it out, just tell me. I'll give you the point. If i make a bad call tell me and i'll give you the point. Thats the type of guy I am. "

It was quite funny how mad he got after i said i was going to get a ref. I responded with "(his name) you are calling balls that aren't even on the line. I always give my opponents the benefit of the doubt but you've made 6 questionable calls and we've only played 5 games"

His response was classic "I’m sorry but sometimes i can't see the ball. When I’m running I’m not always looking at the ball. Sometimes I call it before the ball bounces"

I told him that’s exactly why i want a line ref. I don't want to have to watch his lines and my lines. Its not my job to correct his calls. I paid a tournament fee and I have a right to get a third party ref.

Long story short I got lazy and he gave me the point and we continued to play. Near the end of our first set the next court had just finished and was walking back to the clubhouse, I asked them to get a line judge.

By the time the judge got to our courts it was 1-0 in the second set. My opponent was furious that the game was being watched. He asked why I called the judge now, I already won the first set. I told him "I could be up 5-0 or down 0-5 i'd still call the judge regardless of the score. It is not my job to correct your line calls. The fact you admitted to not seeing the ball and calling the ball before it bounces makes me question all of your calls." The judge commented that he needed to wait for the ball to bounce before making the call and He would only be there for 3 games unless he noticed inconsistencies.

He stayed the entire second set which I won 6-0. The judge only overturn calls that are contested. I only contested 3 calls and the judge overturned all 3. I'd imagine there were a lot of other bad callls but it was close enough I still gave him the benefit of the doubt.

The fact he still made bad line calls with the ref there might indicate he might have really bad eyes. If you can't clearly see it bounce out you should not call it out.

My worst USTA tournament experience. I won 6-3, 6-0 but still my worst usta experience.
 
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SwankPeRFection

Hall of Fame
This was 4.0 tennis! I'm in my late 20s and he must have been in his 50s?

Well, gee, there's your problem right there! Young whipper snapper ain't gonna tell Old Blue what's in or out! Lol


I had an old guy with glasses tell me one time three of my aces that landed on the T were out and he couldn't point to the marks because it's hard courts and balls don't leave marks on hard courts. Really!? I asked him what all the fuzzy yellow marks are all over the court and he said... What fuzzy marks? :facepalm:

That right there told me what I needed to know. I.e. he was blind as a ****ing bat!
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
From reading this board, you should be aware that there is no need to see space between line and ball.

You can go with your gut and throw in a little basic geometry to know a ball is going to be out.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
From reading this board, you should be aware that there is no need to see space between line and ball.

You can go with your gut and throw in a little basic geometry to know a ball is going to be out.

That hurt a lot.

I never said that.
 

newpball

Legend
I like to give my opponents the benefit of the doubt. A questionable bad line calls here or there, no big deal. We are all human, and what I see might not be what you see.

During my semi finals match I played someone and I started questioning his call the first game!
I'll stop here.

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I'll stop here.

EDITED TO MAKE MORE SENSE.

If I think there is a questionable call I won't challenge them or make a big scene. A questionable bad call here or there, no big deal. We are all human, and what I see might not be what you see.

During my semi finals match I played someone and by the 6th game he made a total of 6 calls which I thought were wrong.
 
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gameboy

Hall of Fame
EDITED TO MAKE MORE SENSE.

I like to give my opponents the benefit of the doubt, if i think there is a questionable call I won't challenge them or make a big scene. A questionable bad call here or there, no big deal. We are all human, and what I see might not be what you see.

During my semi finals match I played someone and he started making questionable calls the first game!

Still not what I call "giving benefit of doubt"...
 
If I think there is a questionable call I usually won't challenge them or make a big scene. A questionable bad call here or there, no big deal. We are all human, and what I see might not be what you see.

During my semi finals match I played someone and he started making questionable calls the first game!

Better? My writing skills are not that great. I guess the message I was trying to convey was not getting across.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
That hurt a lot.

I never said that.

"A lot"?

Come on. Buck up, mate!

Not directing this at you, Suresh, but I guess I don't understand why folks don't just play the close balls as in and move on. Why go through all this angst?

I mean, if it is a competitive match, then you'll wind up playing a few balls as in when they were actually out. If you eventually win that point anyway, no harm done.

So really, when you call the lines tight, when you don't look for space, when you wish a ball out, you are at most getting just a couple of points over the course of the match. There are times when I know I am in trouble and am not going to be able to watch the line and watch the ball (e.g. sharp angle to the sideline that is dragging me into the curtain unless I hit on the rise). So I just give up on the line call and just play the ball, which might have been an eyelash out.

Life is just easier that way . . . .
 
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NadalDramaQueen

Guest
Better? My writing skills are not that great. I guess the message I was trying to convey was not getting across.

Your post was fine, the guy is just being obtuse.

Too bad you had to play against a guy like that, but you did the right thing. Call the ump regardless of how much of a baby your opponent is going to be.
 

gameboy

Hall of Fame
Seriously not that hard to understand the OP.

You can give the benefit of the doubt but quickly realize when you are getting hooked, when the initial hooks are that blatant.

"I give a benefit of doubt unless he is hooking me", is not giving benefit of doubt. Just admit that you are hyper competitive and just move on.
 

storypeddler

Semi-Pro
"A lot"?

Come on. Buck up, mate!

Not directing this at you, Suresh, but I guess I don't understand why folks don't just play the close balls as in and move on. Why go through all this angst?

I mean, if it is a competitive match, then you'll wind up playing a few balls as in when they were actually out. If you eventually win that point anyway, no harm done.

So really, when you call the lines tight, when you don't look for space, when you wish a ball out, you are at most getting just a couple of points over the course of the match. There are times when I know I am in trouble and am not going to be able to watch the line and watch the ball (e.g. sharp angle to the sideline that is dragging me into the curtain unless I hit on the rise). So I just give up on the line call and just play the ball, which might have been an eyelash out.

Life is just easier that way . . . .



Maybe for you. Lol. Life is easier for me when I call the close but out balls OUT, and play all the balls when I can't be sure. An easy life isn't the point---fair and ethical play on both sides is. At least for me.
 

Brian11785

Hall of Fame
"I give a benefit of doubt unless he is hooking me", is not giving benefit of doubt. Just admit that you are hyper competitive and just move on.

No. When several balls three-to-six inches in are called out within the first couple of games, it no longer becomes a "benefit of the doubt" situation. The doubt is gone. The person is either blind or cheating. You obviously shouldn't start a fight, but it is wise to recognize the situation for what it is and adjust.

We all experience the occasional bad calls. But every once in awhile, we come across people who are just waiting for a ball to be hit anywhere near a line so that they may call it out. I can count on one hand the number of guys I've played like this. But they are out there. In these moments, you have to just hit everything with a lot of margin or call for a line judge.
 
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