Lion vs Tiger fight.

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Lion vs Tiger

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  1. juanparty

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    who would win?
     
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  2. Sentinel

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    You should do some reading up on Tigons and Ligers.

    Jus sayin.
     
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  3. PSNELKE

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    A Tiger would win.

    A tiger is more musclular and has way less body fat than a Lion.
     
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    I think the accepted wisdom now is that although anything could happen in individual fights, all things being equal the male Lion will win more often than not despite being outweighed by the largest of Tigers. Male lions spend their entire time patrolling and fighting other lions, often to the death (rarely instant but from grave wounds). Apart from shagging and eating, that is pretty much all they do. They rarely get involved in hunts. Fights with other males are relatively common so they have a lot of experience of it in their lives. The mane of the male lion is larger and thicker to stop other lions getting to the throat area easily.

    Tigers are more solitary and both genders are very good at hunting. Confrontations will other tigers are rare and serious incidents rarer still (no females/prides to attack for, just territorial overlaps).

    Tigers > Lions for hunting. Lions > Tigers for fighting.

    And this is why Federer > Nadal. Err...because.
     
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  5. Torres

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    "Lion v tiger? Pah! Both are pansies."

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  6. juanparty

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    Lion of course
     
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  9. Ronaldo

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    Cincy Bites, Go Lions, we have the juice and criminals now.
     
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  10. mmeyer1

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    Tigers... See picture for explanation
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  11. sapient007

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    if on grass, + 1 to tiger

    if on clay, +1 to lion

    if hard surface then about even. depends on wind condition and whether indoors/out
     
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  12. Golden Prime

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    Hmmm, this topic has been blowing up all over the place latley, I guess I can give another few pointer's...
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    Contuary to belife, [Averagley] lion's and tiger's are roughly the same size an weight's, and...
    {What ever weight’s the tiger has reach so can the lion}
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    408kg=900 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of king’sbridge
    http://www.impeyan.net/default.asp?iId=KMFIH
    two…900 pound lions
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM
    - 900 pound lion
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...9YeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=n2UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4456,2398849
    800 pound lion named ponto fight’s off 2 tiger’s
    http://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1959-03-27/
    826 pound lion named simba
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    http://junglephotos.com/africa/afanimals/mammals/lionnathist.shtml
    800 pound lion named mubasa
    http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm
    http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video
    800 pound lion attack’s tarzan
    http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history
    2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named clarence
    http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm
    800 pound lion owner ruthledge
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    900 pound lion owned by Peter jackson
    http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13...ilename=900lblionestimatedoz7.jpg&res=landing
    800 pound lion in circus
    Trump: The Art Of The Deal
    But Irving was very much like a lion tamer. You've seen these guys, maybe I50
    pounds, who walk blithely into a cage where there's a magnificent 800~pound lion
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Ye...a=X&ei=mHwGUICmL-Pg2gWQxMXTBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ
    800 pound lion named woody
    http://books.google.com/books?id=9M...X&ei=VX0GUJC2Leqi2gXO4MmPBQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK
    CBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian speaks about the debate and what it was like doing an interview within feet of a 900-pound lion.
    http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors
     
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  13. JustBob

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    Tiger would lose if the lion is a female with a golf club.
     
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  14. Golden Prime

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    The fact is lion's live Coalition's and Pride's, an they compete with each other and gain fighting experince, so lion's are just the better fighter all around.
    http://musicglob.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/duran-duran-wild-boys.mp3


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    #1Lion’s have harder strike’s, shown in this clip hitting a bigger and hevier tiger the mane dosent weigh that much, it’s just very thick an dense hair an by the size of the tiger, his mass look’s even the same size of the lion’s mane, concluding the tiger is hevier an the lion still outpower’s him by bashing him with the usual haymaker’s lion’s throw, in the same instance the tiger threw first, yet the lion’s more powerful strike’s goes right threw the tiger’s attempt for a double strike which they usually use to grab , but the lion strike’s with such percsion an power he bashes the tiger so hard, he completely fliped the tiger on his back a meter away…
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    2. Lion’s are stronger in the front limb’s there bigger, taller, broader and stronger shoulder’s aid’s them in being better fighter’s an out wrestle’s tiger’s…
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    3. Pound for pound lion’s are way stronger than tiger’s, this lion look’s bigger but it’s only because of the mane, both lion and tiger are about the same size, yet he still hit’s harder, also chasing off the competition as they usually do, due to dominant trait’s of the male lion…also proving a lot of expert’s correct as tiger’s only throw wildly not accurately, in this fight the tiger misses 6 time’s an mostly all other fight’s tiger’s always miss more than 50% fighting a lion, here…
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    4. People like to use this video as the tiger is winning? It only prove’s what 80% of animal trainers an expert’s say…which is tiger’s are explosive fighter’s an tire themselve’s out quickly aiding there poor stamina, but how many time’s did the tiger land any thing at all? Let’s count them 1st lunge, barly nips the mane…which lunge’s cost energy…2nd lunge, misses which cost energy…3rd lunge misses…which cost’s energy, By doing so the lion is only using superior fighting tactic’s of dodging because they hardly clinch as tiger’s do, This video prove’s the other video^^^ that tiger’s have very poor accurate swipe’s more of just swinging wind mill’s along with the end every swipe is absorbed by the mane as the tiger must reap what hit’s his head area…
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  15. JohnnyCracker

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    kung fu panda ftw :mrgreen:
     
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  16. Golden Prime

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    Well I got some pretty good account's the lion killed the tiger in the wild in india 1 on 1...
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    31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)


    A drama at the Ganges.


    I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”


    “One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”


    We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.


    Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.


    “An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”


    “And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”


    “Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”


    “A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!


    The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.


    With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.


    The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.


    The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.


    He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.

    Translated into English by Leofwin.
    http://books.google.de/books?id=ght...EQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=löwe tiger kampf&f=false
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    lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
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  17. Sentinel

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    lion onlee loose if injuried.
     
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  18. Golden Prime

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    I even got one in the Roman arena, where a lion defeated a tiger 1 on 1...


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  19. Golden Prime

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    Here, I got a few more of the lions killing tigers
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    2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video)
    http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg
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    Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
    an Australian zoo – Documentary.
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm
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    M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg
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    Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg
     
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  20. subz

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    Tiger Wins ! An adult male tiger from Northern India or Siberia outweighs an average male lion by around 45.5 kg (100 lb) (From Wiki).

    Take this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion

    Caged animals do not represent actual fights, since animals breed in captivity do not learn the hunting instincts . This the reason when unfortunate people who mistakenly enter tiger cages in a zoon are killed as a result of several bites, as tigers have not learned to go for the the throat and kill quickly.

    If you count the animals kept in captivity, here is a story for lion supporters:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12669308
     
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  21. LeeD

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    Good stuff.
    While most lions and tigers have similar characteristics, not all are exactly the same.
    You never would know which animal was feeling it that day, or which animal was bothered by a hangnail.
    Ask them?
    Pay them?
    Pay their kids?
     
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  22. Golden Prime

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    That's it? XD Dident you read my other post lion's are the same weight's of tiger's...I got way more than your phoney 5 account's...
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    {Recorded Historical Document’s of Lion’s Killing Tiger account’s}
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    1.Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
    an Australian zoo – Documentary.
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm=
    2.1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
    When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
    (Local news report)
    3.1935 Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus
    act.(Documentary)
    http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/
    4. 2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video)
    http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg
    which clyde beatty is talking about lion’s in general… when they are intermidiate family they will gang up on other lions an or tiger’s, other than that, lion’s will not help another lion, and are exellent free for all fighter’s an all clyde beatty’s fight’s for the movie was one on one by properganda’s of the director of the movie.
    5.1955 oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate
    accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary)
    6.1960 Korea pit fights Male lions won majority of all fights refferrenced by zoo keeper lee young phil.(Hidden news Report)
    http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html
    lee young phil statement said, there were a few tiger and lion fight’s staged an recorded, and only one that the female tigris fought the lioness was aired in the colloection of animal fight’s… with harsh wording’s of the korean narrirator saying, the lioness was no match for there symbol of power, yet it was a 50/50 fight having the tiger the one bleeding to death. Also saying they were edited an spliced in favor of the tiger, which if there were more than a few male fight’s recorded, why werent they ever shown. It is highly concluded the male lion’s won all, an the video’s were destroyed due to cultrual idlelization’s of the korean’s. Here’s the other alibi to that same fight here…
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html
    7.1981 Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.(Documentary)
    8.1954 Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary)
    9.1935 In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a
    lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.”
    ~Guinness book of animal fact and feat
    10.Gir foreset 3 tigers vs 3 lions, all lions won an lion #2 mauled the male tiger. (Video) -Youtube-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM
    11.2011 two teen lions killed a adult male tiger in an
    enclosure.(Video)- Youtube-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk
    The story was one of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion,
    http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg
    He tried despertaly to protect himself,…
    http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg
    but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life…
    http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg
    12 King Edward the lion kill’s Dan the male tiger. (Book)
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight3.jpg
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight4.jpg
    13.Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article)
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg
    http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25
    14.Gambier bulton, brittish mengerine saw a lioness kill a tiger.(New’s article)
    15.1925 Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
    1925, Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens.
    http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/
    16. M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/828442?searchTerm
    17.1970 pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video)
    18. Mr F.c owner of bowstock had a lion kill a male tiger before his act.
    (New’s article)
    19.1949 in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
    Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article)
    20. 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
    ~(German new’s atricle)
    http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.co...-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-
    21.1985 Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
    22. Lion kills siberian tiger: in a circus act (February 1951. Detroit).
    23. Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens).
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
    http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/sreply/8061/t/Some-new-accounts-just-for-fun-.html
    24. Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg
    25. Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg
    26.Clyde beatty’s circus act Ceasar the lion kill’s bobby the tiger.
    “Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar's paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn't move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby's hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar's hold now was as firm as Bobby's which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar's jaws had crunched Bobby's neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby's limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby's eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.”
    27. Bavenna, OH, Lioness kills tigress
    28. 2008 Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/166/748tb0.jpg/
    An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion…
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36355.html
    29. 2006 lion kill’s huge siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic_N.htm
    30. Lion kills Puna the male tiger
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/
     
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    31. A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight.
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    It’s on this site called tiger territory, on lairweb .com here…
    http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
    32, TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
    His book was taken from his oringinal text here…
    http://bks4.books.google.de/books?i...ntcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs_api
    33. Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here…
    http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg
    Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here…
    http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
    34. 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger.
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png
    35. A lion kills a bear and tiger in 1 fight.
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png
    37. Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane…
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png
    38. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and very large tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big fellow’s got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
    ~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
    39.Another lion kills male tiger(Fort Wayne Gazette, 1882
    40. Male lion kills male tiger, The Hammond Times, 1935 ,
    41.Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 ,
    42.Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , F. Jefferies, 1834
    43. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902
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    NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another.

    FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
    44,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929
    http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse-herald/1929-09-15/page-84/
    45.,lion kills tiger O. Breland, 1963
    .A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger (Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896 )
    46.Animal reserve:Lion kills 2 tigers one juvi siberian tiger and 1 adult bengal tiger, an had another lion whiped 2 tigers in the same cage…

    ...I seen a african lion maul our adolescent male Siberian tiger to death. The adolescent was a year old. It is extremely sad that these fights are used for entertainment but at the same time I was awed to see one lion defeat two large tigers with all 3 animals in the cage at the same time.
    -My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger.
    http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview/junglebook/14687797(p5)
    47. lion kills male tiger
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg
    48. lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934
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    49. "A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
    ~Peoples Daily Online
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
    50. lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount1.jpg
    51. Thrill’s at Galore lion kills tiger
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount5.jpg?t=1312674003
    52. lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount10.jpg
    53. lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
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    54. Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald
    http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87
    55.lion kills tiger in Roman arena
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    The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced. There are 3 films that have been made about fights between a male lion and male tiger and in all three the lion won. 'Lion-Tiger Fight', 1930's, Castle Films (16 mm) is a short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occurred during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India (The only place where you can find lions and tigers living together).
    http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm
    58. lion kills male tiger in pit fight
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Ly...a=X&ei=3oAGULKfI4qO2wXAzqWSBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg
    59. 1957 Frankfurt Zoological Gardens,
    a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6.
    Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom
    60. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
    And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
    who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
    strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Vw...a=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
    61. The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
    http://books.google.com/books?id=j8...a=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
    http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/I...ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
    62. http://books.google.com/books?id=4I...a=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
    63. Art in the Hellenistic Age
    Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
    standing over a prostrate tiger. http://books.google.com/books?id=vt...a=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
    64. The tale of Pompeii
    http://books.google.com/books?id=dz...a=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
    http://books.google.com/books?id=dz...standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
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    Sorry but you lost an you lost big!
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    The tiger only has around 30 account's while the lion has over 200, you cant even come close to the superiorty of a lion's fighting capability's, they are built only to fight, an the tiger more so just to hunt, that's the way it is, an that's the way it will alway's be.
     
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    Golden Prime just went overboard to prove his point :/ like spent hours on this...the posts are so long, most wont bother to read them.

    A simple Google search will tell that most experts believe that a Tiger will win the fight. Tigers have to guard their territory from other Tigers, and do get to fight other Tigers. So to say they are not accustomed to fighting is wrong.
     
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    I think that it really depends on a type of the tiger.. some tigers are massive, some not.

    But i am almost sure, that when we took average tiger and average lion, lion could crush a tiger. Lion simply has more power.
     
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    LOL :) I guess you have more experience then biologists and experts. An average tiger is bigger, longer than an average lion. I get it some people loved The Lion King. Here are the facts:

    Average male Bengal Tiger: 221 Kg
    Average male Siberian Tiger: 215 Kg
    Average male Lion: 180 Kg
     
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    Who'd win? .....

    In baseball, the Tigers.
    In football, the Lions.

    And anyone who'd tell you otherwise is lion.
     
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    Over board? Nah, that's just the beggining mate, you wanted fact's I gave you fact's. What the hell world are you living in where a opinion from an so call expert is more creditable than an account it self? If I Knocked you out in the ring, why would you then want to here the Judge's score card's??? You lost already, get over it.
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    In historical accounts where lions and tigers have fought in captivity, the tiger often came out the victor. The most recent accounts happened on March 2011
    {Ankara zoo} First of all, did you even source it? No! You belived the mook that used it on wiki an the other idiot’s who got the detail’s wrong. When there’s 5 different story’s to the same account.
    1. It happened in september 4th 2010 not 2011.
    2. There was only 3 lion’s at ankara zoo, 2 female’s an 1 teen male.
    3. The sex of the lion killed was not given beside’s none had mane’s. Albeit teen male.
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    Coney Island Zoo, in 1909, a male tiger killed a male lion
    What you mean this article?--->
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jG-8pDqNTuQ/TbWXjOOdLZI/AAAAAAAAAOw/zfr6fk5qj3I/s1600/saddy.jpg

    Where does the article say the male lion died? All I see is an article where a lion was attacked from (behind), an the word's doesent even say (Did) is say's {Probably} have to be put down, I repeat the tiger dident kill the male lion, just some fanatic putting his little twist on his B.S finding's like you.
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    John Varty:
    Well, I’ve seen tigers crunch up a full-grown leopard tortoise like it was nothing. And lions try, but they just don’t get it right. Huh? So that's your expert? Here dumbass a lion doing something John varty said lions couldent do...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oibo8kjiwS0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sMZa9KWBo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CUBYknjWE
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    {Big cat rescue} Do you know how many people work there? No! So what, it dosent give any detail’s on what the advantage he’s talking about, an only give’s an opinion of 1 person, not the entire corperation of “Big cat rescue” organization, which is in the hundred’s.
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    An the rest of wiki just say's most expert's, who? They dont even name one expert so far an they are claiming expert's, an Expert has to have been done 2 main thing's to become an expert in passing judgement over a lion and tiger fight.
    1. Have worked with Both for over 40 year's.
    2. Have Seen themselve's first hand a lion and tiger fight, not a lion vs lion or a tiger vs tiger fight.
    An none of your source's have done that.
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    Question becomes, who wins, KodiakBear, GrizzlyBear, Lion, or Elephant.
     
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    God why do you have to be so obnoxious about it, you even started the thread, still interesting article.
     
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    While the honeybadger can certainly be one of the most mischievious, arrogant, annoying, and persistent creatures around, and most other animals would rather turn tail than deal with this midget ******, if forced into a real fight with no way out, I'd think an African elephant can find a way to put his stamp on the little guy.
     
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    Gold Prime do you know the difference between curiosity and obsession ?
    Your post was so long , I didn't read it :/
    I hope you are a (or an aspiring ) biologist ...because you are too obsessed with this topic.
    I am curious and I googled for about 5 minutes, watched a clip from David Attenborough (great man) where he describes the Tiger as the largest cat....in fact calls it a super-cat ...

    I am more concerned about tigers/lions being hunted by man and losing their habitats and planing my weekend =)

    Relax, have a cup of tea. Go outside !

    Tiger wins though ;)
     
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    First of all to the yank to post's up named Pkshooter, I dident start the thread you mook, it state's the tiger fanatic who posted a tiger lungeing is the person who started the thread, wise ass.
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    An to: subz...aww you mad? You dident post any expert's, while I posted account's of lion's killing tiger's 1 on 1, which who care's if you dident read them, it just show's your a bia's chump that want's other's to go by false an random data. Video recording was only made in the 19th century, while histroical artifact's were capable of producing for thousand's of year's threw art, srcipture's, statue's sculpture's an more...an there's only 4 for the tiger winning and there's over 50 for the lion...I can post them if you want to see them, beside's in video form there wasent a single account in history ever recorded of a tiger killing a lion, while there's 3 for the lion.
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    #1 Louis Talbot's animal documentry in India
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    #2 2011 Asian Reserve 2 teen lion's killed an adult tiger.
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    #3 The movie the big cage 2 tiger's died in the movie fighting Caeser the lion.
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    Dont give me this ******** that I should go I side...I work pal, an I came across a thread I had knowledge on, not just googling around an giving false an ******** data, which I just exploited, chump.
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    Your more concerned for there well being, yet you post the only thing you could find as an attempt to intice people in just what your Bia's for. Huh!
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    #2.Tiger an lion Expert Dave hoover, said lions are the better fighter’s.
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    #3. A tiger never fight’s fair, but in a fair fight a lion can whip any animal…
    Source: Milwaukee Journal november 12, 1959
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    Since you dont like to read much, I'll humiliate your pathetic attempt to (Act) as if you know what your talking about by just posting them 3 at a time, if you dont want to read them, then please...Dont!, let other's do, who actually want to read the truth, not some fanatic's who twist around detail's so other's like what you like. Huh!
     
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    Tigers are much, much bigger than Lions in their fully grown state. They also get more practice in some ways as they're not social, unlike Lions who generally hunt in groups.

    A large tiger is over 100lbs bigger than a comparable Lion. I think the tiger would win.
     
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    Uh again your over exaggerating or just plain out lying on the first page I already showed over 10, 800-900 pound lion's so how can a tiger as you said be way way bigger? Uh huh! Not very accurate now are we...Here's picture's of the average size showing they are no bigger than lion's [Averagely]
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    I have some other example's if you'd like to see, these are the average tiger with the average lion, again what ever weight the tiger has reached so can the lion, an please read what you post, tiger will have more fight experince because they are {LESS} social? XD XD XD XD Okay mate, I think you need to check your self buddie, here let me help you...
    http://gta.sandreas.free.fr/GTASA.Ice cube.mp3
     
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    liontard > (*******s + *******s + djokotards)
     
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    {ROMAN ERA OF VENATIO’S LION’S KILLING TIGER’S}
    {ROMAN TIME'S OF ALL DIFFERENT SOURCE'S LION'S WON}
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    “Next, the arena was lowered to feature combat between them as lions tore apart tigers, an went up against bears, croc’s leopards against wolves. It goes without saying that the Romans had never heard of animal rights.”
    ~Ken Spiro; WorldPerfect
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    #2The Memoirs of Cleopatra
    “They took on tigers, bulls, and wild boars. Usually the lion won. page 284” {BOOK}
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    Rome lair of the lion that magled a tiger
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    #3. "Another subspecies very closely related to the Asian lion - the Barbary lion or Panthera leo leo - became extinct in the wild in 1922 (in Morocco). This animal the Barbary lion had been the dominant animal in the blood sports of the Roman arenas."
    ~Martin Seyer's dissertation (synopsis), Vienna University.
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    You must be dreaming if you think cherry picking images and statements which suit your argument make your right.

    It is fact that taken to their sub-species extremes the biggest of the two is the tiger - it's not even a close comparison. I think a reasonable comparison would be to compare animals taken from their natural environment. Animals which have been raised in captivity - such as many of the huge lions you mentioned I suspect - often have very different weight ranges to those found in the wild (so too are their behaviour patterns). The larger family of tigers are larger than the comparable family of lions, both in the highest weights and the averages - there is no doubt about that.

    Now, you can post pictures which show a tiger which is smaller than a lion - it doesn't make it a census nor a scientific consensus.

    The reason I didn't look at every image or item you mention you linked on the first page is that those short of posts stand out like maniacal and pointless efforts to disprove everyone else with outlying examples which don't represent the overall body of examples - to the extent that the poster self-censors anything relevant which doesn't support the point of view they're trying to prove.

    If we simplified the task of finding out which is larger you can simply google the question and look at the answers which are returned.

    So you don't have to spend any time on it I've done it for you to save the hassle. (I even paraphrased some to save from essay-length reading)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion#Comparative_size
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion#Accidental_fights_in_captivity
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion#Expert_opinions
    From another site the apparent records for the largest tiger or lion ever killed were 857 pounds for a tiger (Bengal tiger, 1967) and 690 pounds for a lion... a 167 pound difference.
     
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    lol, I knew you'd comment back like lightning because you thought you had something going there, dident you? XD XD
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    Uh, I dont think you know how a band work's buddie, if you insult me as well, you go too, all you did was insult what was the truth, while I merely pointed out your false an random data.
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    Oh look's like I dident number label the first part corectly, which should have ended at #6...oh well's just like I promised here come's more for the Roman day's even more exploiting Bobby jr's false source of wiki...

    #7.Roman Royal Athena of a lion with a death grip on a tiger
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    #8“The amphitheatre had grown so still, that the clear melody of the flute was distinctly audible over the whole vast space. As soon as the disturbance ceased, the king of the beast, apparently untroubled by the new visitor, returned to his food. But the cowardice, peculiar to nocturnal beasts in the daylight, awoke in the tiger. He beheld in the shrieking multitude friends of the flute-player, and seeing the lion eating, seized the nearest piece of meat. But with a single bound the lion sprang forward, roaring loudly, to defend his property. The tiger’s claws clutched the lion’s and a fierce struggle began. The lion aimed terrible blows at his antagonist, which the tiger avoided with marvelous skill; the tiger’s teeth seized the lion’s mane, but at the same instant the latter tore off with his claws from the upper part of the tiger’s head half the skin, from which an eat and a broad trail of blood upon the sand, the tiger returned to his cage, where he howled piteously. The grating was raised, and soon only a faint whining was audible. Either the animal was dying, or the keepers had stupefied him to be able to cure him. The lion stood fiercely over his prey, which no one now disputed.”
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    #9.Roman sculpture of a lion biting the throat of a tiger...
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    #10. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
    And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
    who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
    strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
    http://books.google.com/books?id=Vw...a=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
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    Dear god, if you think referring to Hitler in a discussion is an approach that will create a persuasive argument on a topic like this then you are beyond dealing with.

    Please go upstairs and ask you mother to check your meds. Once you have a lucid moment go back to your cellar and consider what sort of unmitigated stupidity it takes to think likening people to Hitler would somehow be at all productive or appropriate anywhere outside of your dream world.

    The fact you joined a tennis forum only to contribute to a theoretical discussion about lions and tigers and almost immediately jump to Hitler accusations says a lot about the sort of person you are.
     
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  46. Golden Prime

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    Hoh Buddie, there is alot of agony an plunder in your choosing of wording's, XD.
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    First of all, I posted in other thread's pal, but since I am well educated in this subject I dont think it's wrong to point out phoney's...XD You really sound stressed, with those type of word's I merely am pointing out the obvious. Was I wrong? Hell no, but maybe that's why your mad...because you were proven wrong. I dont know, I really dont care. XD
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    So go smoke a joint an relax because you sound like your beating your head on your desktop right now, so chill out.
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    If you dont like what is taking place you have the option of not looking into it, you know that right? No one will think anyless of you if you do, so what's the problem? You simply dont know anything on the thread's topic apperently, because the first thing you presented was wiki, something no educated person on the matter would do an disrespect real Zoologist an real Scientist who's out there putting there live's on the line to get creditable information, an to have a yuppie yank like you just present data that is completely false an irrelevent to the topic is pretty dam pathetic pal.
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    I really mean this in the highest reguard's, but chump's like you who as you said, just google it...XD XD Is a waste of my time.
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    Google aint been around for thousand's of year's like the data I have, so dont kid your self, an dont degrade your self in giving in a hand of a false cause. I said hitler in term's you were aiding a formailty of the same purpose as him, you an me both know your source isint hitler's level, but then again the magnitue of it is basically the same. Hitler got million's with out question to belive what he spoke the same way now day's, this mook who wrote wiki is getting billion's of people who dont know yet of the subject to more so lean upoun his Bia's wanting's...plain an simple.
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    I'll repeat, there isint one shred of evidence on that site true for the lion's side, an mind- less drone's like you hold on to it as if your life depended on it, which again is pathetic, you just like the german's dident for one secound question it, you came in blind folded, an just like the german's got there ass kicked from Untited state's... you an your pathetic source got your ass handed to you.
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    So you dont need to reply anymore, because I think I'll just stick to being on topic, or else you'll be branded as a what? Troll.
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    So if you dont mind, I'll continue where I left off...
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    Like I promised more on the Gladitorial event's...
    #11.Statue near the coloiseum in Nepal of a lion over comeing a tiger...
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KfXm6QzlO...AApQ/m_sqELU4ZGk/s1600-h/lion+statue+cope.jpg
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    #12.The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
    http://books.google.com/books?id=j8...a=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AewAA
    http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/I...ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
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    #13.Lion defeating tiger in combat Royal Emperyium of Rome...
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    #14Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion standing over a prostrate tiger.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=vt...a=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
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    #15Lion kills tiger saving man...
    http://books.google.com/books?id=4I...a=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
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    You are well educated on this subject huh?

    Please let us know what specific education you have related to this topic.

    I'm going to hazard a guess - given by the clear lack of education displayed in your writing style - that you consider education to be the amassing of internet sourced information, which your posts all are, in a maniacal and frantic flurry to be "education".

    No educated person would consider a limited, self-led study to be the definitive body of knowledge on a topic. I never claimed my post to contain the end-all of the topic, rather that the easily found and seemingly credible (well, at least they manage to write like someone over the age of 12) seemed to be inconsistent with the broader opinion you formed from your more fine-tuned searching. As I said in a previous post, perhaps a simpler approach would reap a more commonly accepted view - one which overwhelmingly says the opposite of what you claim. It could well be that they are all wrong and you're right - but without knowing what your education and experience entails, and considering your writing ability and manner of dealing with views which contradict your own, it's a pretty safe bet that you don't even really understand the concept of educated."

    Only fools claim to win debates by saying they're the most educated rather than viewing the proof (definitive or indicative) from either side with a critical mind and weighing the arguments. The proof in this thread is in the pudding > Taken at face value you write like a fool and debate with the coherence of a drunk teenager. For that reason you cannot possibly be educated to any level worthy of acknowledgement. Of course, it's only my opinion. Perhaps you are a genius who happens to be mildly illiterate and dyslexic. If so, please let us know.
     
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  48. Golden Prime

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    Wow they managed to write over the age of 12, lol more like there intention's were the age of 12, Huh! An limited? Buddie we are just getting started on the topic, I havent posted 1/10th of what I have on the subject, so I dont know where your going with that one bud.
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    You have to be percise, in education pal, because I know people in different job catagorize's who cant even spell there name, yet they build million dollar houses structured on there own blue print's, I know men that has the worse grammer in typing an in english, yet he still bank's a 100 grand in his mango reserve company he own's yearly, so just because one lack's in Grammar an punctuation a tad bit in how you are use to, dosent mean they are not educated on any formaility bud.
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    Again there are catagorie's, there is more than a 1,000 different type's of scientist name's that conduct there research, that goes with an expert, by loosing there title without any provication's dosent mean you have any type of credability in a certian subject that need's covering. hense where the hell is your other expert's name's that was mentioned in your source wiki? Uh huh! Bullcrap.
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    I really dont know where your going with this, what exactly are you saying? Because at this point you have no other reason to post here, or maybe you do if your not so fixated in disputing somthing you have no idea what the hell your talking about. Every individual is self drived, you can have a peice of paper that call's you a scientist than study the eco life of hawaii's sea shore's, you still wont know 1/1,000,000th of the Hawaiian's that lived there for hundred's of year's. In term's you dont have to have a degree in anything, just having the knowledge of what already is in place if creditable or not, it must be in a abundentcy of quality an quanity, then you can pass judgement pal, an the data I have...when ever your ready to pick off where you left off, by all mean's keep producing what you think is creditable without even giving the common curtisy to check if it's even accurate first, not oh look, this look's like alot of data, if I copy an paste I am educated on the subject now, an will do my best to stand by what I think is factual. XD XD XD. Because as everyone can see, you arnt just not accurate, your full of ****!
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    So again, if you have nothing on topic an still on your rage of a mental breakdown, then if you dont mind, I'll be on topic again.
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    The bengal tiger is thinner an lighter than the asiatic lion
    http://books.google.com/books?id=BR...X&ei=aZQGUOiWEIHg2gWah9S6BQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK
    http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab_eng.html#tab1
    Hewett (1938), Inverarity (1888), Baker (1890), Buton (1933, 1948), Hornaday (1885), Meinertzhagen (1939) and Sanderson (1912) shows an average of 422 lbs, not far from the 420 lbs mark, isn't it?
    http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/DunbarBrandersaverage.jpg
    http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/averagesizeofadultamurtigers.jpg
    http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s214/craigkennion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg
    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
    http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/SiberianCloseto400.jpg
    http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/tiger-facts
    http://english.savechinastigers.org/node/31
    http://www.redorbit.com/education/reference_library/science_1/mammalia/2578132/bengal_tiger/
    http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
    Male Siberian Tiger Weights
    Here's some more weights from "CONFLICTS BETWEEN MAN AND TIGER IN THE RUSSIAN FAR EAST",(first published in Russian in "Bulletin Moskovskogo obshchestva ispytateley Prirody", 1993, v. 98, i. 3)
    by Igor G. Nikolaev and Victor G. Yudin
    =Male Siberian Tiger Weights=
    1. 166 kg Body Fat - H
    2. 192 kg Body Fat - H
    3. 136 kg Body Fat - L
    4. 170 kg Body Fat - L
    5. 150 kg Body Fat - L
    6. 149 kg Body Fat - H
    7. 175 kg Body Fat - H
    8. 171 kg Body Fat - L
    9. 180 kg Body Fat - H
    10. 168 kg Body Fat - M
    11. 130 kg Body Fat - L
    12. 178 kg. Body Fat - Not Stated
    13. 136 kg Body Fat - S
    14. 157 kg Body Fat - S
    15. 185 kg Body Fat - L
    16. 135 kg Body Fat - H
    17. 148 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
    18. 178 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
    19. 165 kg Body Fat - M
    20. 93 kg Body Fat - S
    21. 92 kg Body Fat - M
    22. 170 kg Body Fat - L
    23. 160 kg Body Fat - H
    24. 125 kg Body Fat - M
    25. 102 kg. Body Fat - L
    26. 129 kg Body Fat - S
    You see what this guy said^^^ weight’s are usually overexaggerated, these weight’s here Because they are only estimation’s none were weighed as shown from the first link’s they only average 400-500 pound’s.
    THE WAY OF THE TIGER 2002 By K. Ullas Karanth.
    Page 47, The tigers weighing record weights in captivity where overfed obese individuals who would not survive in the wild.
     
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  49. Bobby Jr

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    What I asked was obvious. The fact that you can still spout hundreds of words without coming close to answering a very, very simple question - instead going off on yet another diatribe of borderline irrelevancies - says you either can't front up with your supposed education which qualifies you as an expert on the topic being discussed, or you get side-tracked in your rantings and forgot to add it.

    Again, since you were the first to claim education on this topic please say what particular or related education you have on it.
     
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  50. LeeD

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    Be all that as it may, it's still not possible to create a real fair fight here.... as in most venues.
    How can you ensure both participants WANT to fight to the death, CARE about more than their daily meal, get HEALTHY enough to effectively fight, actually learn the best techniques for fighting, are not distracted by nearby .....distractions....
    It's tough enough in a man made sport like boxing, to get all the criteria figured out. With animals, who don't talk, it's impossible.
     
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