Liquidmetal Instinct tension recommendations..

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  1. forthegame

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    Hi guys.

    Could anyone please help with string tension recommendations for this racket (18x19 string pattern)?

    I have a (reputedly) soft multi that I would like to string with but I'm stuck on tension.

    I also have some cheap natural gut but will try that later on.

    This racket (LM Instinct) is new to me, been hitting with an M-Fil 300 strung with syn gut at about 54lbs.

    Much appreciated.

    TIA.
     
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  2. forthegame

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    Nobody? Have to figure it out myself. I'll try and document how I get on here.
     
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  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    You've got a version of Gasquets racket :)

    I'd try 55 lbs as a starting point.
     
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    Something close to your current setup makes sense to me. The 55 Mike suggested or the 54 you had been using. Either should be a good starting point and adjust up or down from there as necessary.
     
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    Thanks guys!
    Actually just dropped it off at the stringer and after discussions ended up with 56lbs.
    The string is Pro's Pro Kingut. Allegedly a soft multi so will see how my shoulder reacts.
    Will let you know how I get on.
    Thanks again.
     
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    Sounds good. Personally, I really like non-polys in the mid 50s for tension.

    Many recommend gut at 60, so I would like to try it someday, but it is hard to change something you like and I like 55ish.
     
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    I have some (cheap) gut that I will try soon! Is it stupid to hybrid gut and multi? Does that defeat the purpose of both strings?
     
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    Strung with the Kingut at 56lbs. Stringer commented about how soft and stretchy it is - as noted by many others. Rough textured string, wonder if that aids spin, will see.

    Won't get a chance to hit for about 3/4 days unfortunately...
     
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    Well, well...

    Finally got a chance to hit - 10 days after stringing!

    Mixed feelings about the Kingut. I am not convinced after this first session, there does seem to be more spin. The balls jumped during the warm up; probably because it's 1.25mm (?17g) rather than the rough texture, IDK.

    It's very soft; gives a muted feel which I usually like but not sure I'll call it plush.

    I strung it at 56lbs (granted, it's had a few days to soften, I wonder if that's too low, it seemed a bit too powerful sometimes. I didn't have the confidence to swing freely.

    Another thing, it moves a wee bit and this is just the first session.

    Will keep playing, I wasn't at my best today - after a full day at work...
     
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    Another outing today, in wet, damp, heavy and cold conditions. Still not setting the world on fire, this string setup.

    Hopefully have another hit tomorrow indoors and may get a better idea.

    Current impressions - dull feeling, moves a lot. Comfortable though.

    Already considering hybriding...
     
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    2 more sessions, i believe Kingut at this tension in this racquet is too powerful for me. I seem to get a lot of sidespin and underspin on slices though. I am not able to judge how much topspin I'm getting unfortunately, too busy trying to keep the balls from ballooning long.

    I tried some touch shots today with some success. Underspin definitely helped to kill the ball dead.

    Also, it MOVES a LOT! Having to adjust after hitting a topspin groundstroke or blocking back a heavy shot.

    Overall, I think my next string in the LMInstinct should be a tad less soft or maybe I should string tighter.

    Any suggestions folks?
     
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    Mike, Gasquet uses a pro stock version of the LM Instinct Tour XL (16x19 pattern)

    I would have tried SG at mid-range initially. Once you like/find a tension with the SG, then you have some basis for selecting a tension using multi or NG since these are less stiff strings. I guess your next tension attempt should be about 60# or slightly higher since you are using a 17 Ga multi.
     
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  13. forthegame

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    Mike? Lol, no.

    Thanks. Was simply trying this multi, don't have another set so will move to something else. I have 'fake gut' that I was contemplating 58-60lbs.

    Good advice though, will get some syn gut and try at 56lbs.

    Danke!
     
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    Mike = MikeHitsHard93.
     
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    Lol fail. :lol:
     
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    Hahahaha! I now understand!
     
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    Right, I've had what I believe may be the final outing with this string setup.

    The kingut has become too powerful as time has gone on. During my league match today, I couldn't keep the ball in when I had a big swing at it.

    The slice was very deadly! Caught out my opponent several times slicing my BH. I think the texture of the string might have something to do with it. By the same token I assume that spin, in the right hands, would be great too.

    Have me some Tecnifibre syngut 1.25 to try next. Gonna go for 56lbs or maybe higher...
     
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    Strung up my WMD with Tecnifibre Syn Gut at 57lbs. Can't wait to hit!

    As always, will update this thread (not sure anyone cares).
     
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    I'm listening=)
     
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  20. forthegame

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    Thanks, lol!
     
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    Oh god, I'm not really sure why, but this made me really laugh haha.

    Btw what's WMD?
     
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    +1

    Let us know how the syn and the cheaper multi's stack up.

    I'm finding arm pain with poly on serve looking to change to multi or back to synthetic. The racquet came with Head PPS Synthetic and changing to co-poly which helped a little but starts to hurt my elbow on serve if I hit too high up the string bed. If I lower the poly tension I lose the benefit of it, which for me is reduced power and added spin. Gut is no good for me as I live in the dry tropics, it'll go green and slimy.

    Note: I hit eastern/semi-western so not a spin king so poly is not really a great advantage.
     
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  23. forthegame

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    Weapon of Mass Destruction - pure fantasy, LOL!

    Will do. Not a spinmaestro myself either. Never tried poly, always been a syngut or multi player. My regular opponent hwvr, uses poly and I blame that for the way the ball kicks away from me and my despairing lunge! :)
     
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    Time for an update...

    Have had several sessions with the Tecnifibre SynGut at 57lbs now.

    Definitely firmer than the Kingut (multi) as is to be expected but still very comfortable now that the stringbed has settled in.

    I don't feel it has much by way of touch but I suspect that is user error.

    Slices are very nice as is power from the baseline. I'm not good at reading spin but some of my big swings land in, much to my surprise!

    Serves were lovely when I got grooved playing indoors, surprised me.

    Will give it a few more outings and see what's next. I don't know if I'll gain anything by playing with the tension, might go for a new string altogether.

    Cheers!
     
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  25. heninfan99

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    In my Instincts I prefer Wilson Sensation at 54 but I also have one with RPM Blast.

    I consider the Czech LM Instincts one of the best racquets ever made though it was a tweener stick for me.
     
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  26. forthegame

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    Cheers, I've enjoyed Wilson Sensation before in another racquet - my first foray into multis and it was a good hit.

    How can you tell if your LM Instinct is Czech made? Thanks.
     
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  27. heninfan99

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    The butt cap should say so but I'm sure there's a more thorough way to check code. I owned two others made at another factory and didn't like them. They felt different.

     
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    ^^
    Thanks.
     
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    I have two cz instincts and two chinesse ones. I gave the chinesse ones away. The CZ one have pallets. The chinesse one is one piece. I string my racquets with Dunlop explosive main and Black widows cross at 50 lb. It plays good at that tension.
     
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  30. forthegame

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    50lbs? Not too powerful at that tension?

    EDIT: Just seen that they are poly/copoly.
     
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    Got some Sensation coming, yipee!
     
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    I got triple-bageled today! :sad:
     
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    I admire you for wanting to keep this thread alive, but triple what now? Triple bageled? That should be illegal.
     
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    Ha ha! I have no string news to post, the Tecnifibre SynGut is in the diminishing returns stage, not sure whether to string it up afresh or wait for the Wilson Sensation I'm expecting from TWUSA!

    Tell me about it, today was cold - I hate playing outdoors in the winter but was facing up to a week without any tennis. I forgot my gloves, didn't have a hat for the low sun and my God I was leaden footed! I hated it but was desperate to hit. Didn't have any breakfast, went straight to the courts after church.

    The guy I played was serving big flat serves to my BH which I couldn't handle. By the time I figured out that maybe slicing the BH was a better plan instead of trying and ballooning the 2HBH it was too late and I was knackered. Credit to him, he kept going and playing at a normal level after I kept saying "let's play another", LOL!

    The only plus, I got to run in the cold, sweat and hopefully burned some calories. Pity I undid all of that with a large bowl of hot chicken soup and 3 bread rolls! :cry:
     
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    Done with the Tecnifibre syngut, became unpleasant. Decided to string up Chinese gut "with nano fibres" or summink. Dunno what gut is meant to feel like fresh out of the package but this gut didn't feel or look particularly natural.

    Went for 56lbs, will see how it goes and report.

    Someday this thread will be epic, lol!
     
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  36. forthegame

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    Strung up the nanofibernattygutcarbon at 56lbs. My stringer said it didn't appear to be gut, if it was, "maybe a small portion wrapped in plastic", lol!

    He said he prestretched it and it didn't behave like gut. He didn't notice strands like you would with gut and it wasn't as soft.

    Played with it today (conditions rather cold and a teeny-weeny bit moist) and it was ok. Firm but comfortable. A little powerful at 56lbs. Will see how it goes...
     
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    My elbow hurts.
     
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    Should've been the final outing with the chinese nano-gut but alas, stringer closes early on Sunday!

    It feels useless now and ballooning everything outdoors. Indoors was ok. I wonder if it was simply all me and not strings.

    Anyhoo, I'm fed up and the string is notching now, either it has some gut in it or it's just a multi. I didn't really enjoy it. Shame I have 5 more sets, LOL!

    Wilson Sensation 17 next up, hopefully drop it off for stringing on Tuesday, should I go for 56lbs? I desperately need to rediscover my serve. Gone AWOL!

    If anyone is listening, advice on tension needed!
     
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    multifilament mains and poly crosses could be your answer
     
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    Someone mentioned a hybrid the other way round earlier on. Would a multi and a syngut work?
     
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    You settled with a multi? :)

    The KINGUT you strung way too low.
     
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    Before giving up on SG, try POSG at 16 gauge. Also at 57-60#. Holds tension better than 17 Ga and is less powerful, but firmer feel. IME, Technifibre SG is too soft.

    I do not like PSG w/Duraflex.
     
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    Thanks guys. I'll bear your advice in mind.

    Funny thing is that the Sensation seems to be playing better now that it's old...
     
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    Sensation 17 @ 59lbs...

    So far so good.
     
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    Can't believe I'm thinking this...

    Well, it's been a year of playing exclusively with the LM Instinct, a racquet I've longed for and searched hard before I found one.

    Sometime in August I played a tournament, 3 matches in 4 days or so. It was cold and unpleasant and since then my shoulder has been troublesome. Old strings, cold weather and advancing age are a bad combo IMHO.

    Anyway, tried rest, stretch bands (inconsistently) and now the pain is largely gone, no aches during a match. My shoulder feels stiff and somewhat restricted on backswing.

    My question, could the racquet play a part? The dense string pattern, the beam width, do they contribute even an iota to the shoulder problems? It's a low flex racquet so shouldn't cause any joint problems, right?

    I'm reconsidering racquets that I abandoned for the Instinct - I still have my nTour Two, Prince EXO3 Team, M-Fil 300 etc. Open pattern racquets that might be softer. Might sacrifice the defensive BH and slice that the LM Instinct gave me.

    Clutching at straws?
     
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    Just realised that I might have a Czech LM Instinct after all! Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but all warm and fuzzy inside.

    [​IMG]

    I know I should take off the grip to check if it has pallets but too lazy..

    It's a keeper! Not gonna sell her.

    Played it today and compared with the nTour Two. This feels miles better and my backhand slice is better and more of a dependable shot! I know they're totally different racquets but trying out some oldies that I have lying around and gathering dust.

    Keep on playing peeps!
     
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