Ljuby complains Canas's a pusher! :)

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  1. sarpmas

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    "He's just PUSHING the ball in the middle of the court, and you have to do everything," Ljubicic said. "When it's windy like this, it's not easy to go for the big shots. I think these conditions here suit his game perfectly."

    source: http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_y...YF?slug=ap-sonyericssonopen&prov=ap&type=lgns

    Consistent player that makes you beat yourself is really frustrating, huh? :)

    It will be really interesting to see how Canas do against Djoker, a talented young gun with much variety to his play.
     
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  2. ChipNCharge

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    What a surprise! Ljuby's whining after getting beat. Next I'm sure he'll say that nobody likes Canas and that everyone in the locker room was hoping he'd beat him.

    Chip
     
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  3. Ken B.

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    I want to like Ljubicic, but the dude just won't shut up.
    He got outplayed, and his serve let him down. Maybe if he wasn't looking to hit 90mph backhands to finish the point he would have won.
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Ljubicic is a legend in his own mind.
     
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  5. ACE of Hearts

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    Luby's head is perfect to smack some sense into him.Bald statements,lol.
     
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  6. SoBad

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    Yeah Ljub is mental, he thinks he keeps losing to Nadal because the opponent takes extra two seconds between his serves too haha...
     
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  7. edberg505

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    Hahahaha, I like Ljubicic and sometimes his statements are made more out of spite after losing. But I'm afraid he hit the nail on the head on this one. I was watching the match today and this guys game is worst than Nadal's. At least Nadal hits winners. But Cañas just keeps getting the ball back until the person makes a mistake. I simply cannot stand that kind of tennis. I hope Novak blows him away.
     
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  8. diegaa

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    thanks for the link man. i see ljubo´s point, but that was a sad thing to say.
     
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    i don't personally care about the result or the players, but can we please start warning or banning posters who post spoilers, direct or indirect, in this forum?

    it's been made clear enough to everyone not to do it..... not to mention it's somewhat baiting behaviour, although i don't really care about the players.
     
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  10. Mick

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    At least Canas could keep the ball in the court. In the second set, Ljubicic sprayed the balls all over the places even though he was not being pressured.
     
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    Seriously, the cabeza de huevo needs to get a life. Many years ago, he criticized a 15-year old Richard Gasquet for taking an injury time out because his fitness was not at its peak at the time. He called Gasquet a cry baby. Ljubicic, then goes talking crap about Roddick to the press aftering losing to him at the USO.

    Now, he goes to criticize Canas because he got beat by him? Are you kidding me? Canas outplayed him and outlasted him. Canas might be a pusher, but he won it fairly. It's not like Canas took 100 injury time-outs in order to win. Canas did not win dirty. He did it fair and square. If his style of game bothers you, Ivan, just shut the hell up, and avoid playing him in the future.

    Besides, I don't see Ljubicic being a great ball-striker or a power player or a precision player either. I see him as being a poorman's pusher with a big serve. The guy has a big head. That's it.
     
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  12. VGP

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    As do a lot of big hitting, go for broke, hit and hope players. That's what makes it interesting. Glad to see it on the ATP tour again.

    People have gotten drunk on todays "all-court, attacking player" which really means:

    1. Hit big first serve or return big first serve hard
    2. Smack forehand winner off weak return
    3. If return is deep, rally hard off the baseline until short ball crops up.
    4. Smack winner.

    Repeat steps 1-4......do not deviate from game plan, even if you look stupid, even if you hit too many unforced errors.

    Better to go down in flames than resort to pushing.......remember the pay for guys in the top 50 is plenty and you don't have to work harder than that these days.

    Boring.

    Almost everybody plays like this. Federer's got a winning game plan against this style of play (in fact, he's the best at it) and that's why he dominates.

    Get a guy with fresh legs, a willingness to fight and run everything down and push if need be, it shakes things up.
     
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  13. circusmouse

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    This instance seems pretty understandable. You have to make the assumption that one would only call one's opponent a pusher after a loss to him. Look in the instructions section of this forum, and you'll see a thread about someone beating a pusher. You can call someone a pusher without losing to him. Maybe a warning is in order or a reminder, since this case is so indirect, but banning someone for this seems excessive.
     
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  14. flyboy1

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    Yeah, just like it is so fascinating to watch a guy hit balls down the middle of the court, 10 feet short of the baseline with the same pace (or lack thereof), same height, who just runs around all day NOT taking any chances. Guys who go for winners are not "going for broke". They are taking calculated risks that don't always pan out. For guys who hit like 10 winners a match, they aren't taking any chances; they're just waiting for the other guy to go for it. I'd rather see guys like Ljubicic, Federer, and Nadal go for winners AND play good defense, than watch guys that only play defense. Ljubicic hit it on the head, in the wind, it's really difficult to hit the ball through the court AND keep control of the ball. When the wind is not a factor, they can be more aggressive. Canas doesn't win matches, the other guys lose them....and that is boring to watch. Anyone can just keep the ball in play (though not everyone has the legs that Canas has). The choice to go for winners is just that....a choice. The big hitters could be pushers if they chose, but they don't because they have another option....hitting winners. Pushers have no other options. They do only what they can because they do not have the ability to hit outright winners.
     
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  15. omniexist

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    Well boo hoo, Luby..deal with it.

    Anyway, I hope Canas beats the Joker. Joker seems to be an arrogant ******* to say the least.
     
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  16. Morrissey

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    Well coming from him I'm not shocked. It's one thing to make excuses but it's another to blame the guy you lost to for your demise. I think he has bad mouthed everyone who has beaten him besides Federer because in his mind he's the only one better than him. lol. You know what Ljubo? Canas did the simplest thing best and that is keep the ball in play. If he can't keep up with that tough t*ts Ivan.

    Yeah Canas game isn't anything out of this world but people think pretty strokes mean something. Next thing you know he'll say some BS about everyone in the locker room wanting him to lose, whatever Ivan. You're not the locker room spokeperson. I think he's always been a cranky personality and a very jealous person of players who have more success than him. The only person who's crankier than him may be Nalbandian. Some people were born with a chip on their shoulders. Egghead is one. Next time beat him if his game isn't anything special. Stop being a sore loser and be a man, not a baby.
     
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  17. Morrissey

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    No kidding dude. Probably more arrogant than Ljubo.
     
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  18. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    he also acused marcos baghdatis of being apusher when he lost to him in the 2006 AO.
     
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  19. Mick

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    Ljubicic needs to read all those threads on the TW forum about how to beat a pusher.
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    Both literally and figuratively. ;) LOL
     
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  21. The Gorilla

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    I read the link and it didn't sound like he was insulting canas or his style of play, just describing his strengths nad how canas beat him.The word pusher isn't italiscised in the original.
     
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  22. ShcMad

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    haha I usually don't like to make fun of people's appearances, but this egghead, along with Djoker **** me off majorly more than any other ATP player.
     
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    Yeah, we're all experts. We seem to have the answer for every type of player. Yet we post in here after watching tennis on tv. ;)
     
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  24. Mick

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    Yep, we have all the answers, we just don't have the technical skills to execute them game plans :)
     
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  25. Chauvalito

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    I dont care if its boring to watch, I think we can all learn something from his game...

    Ljubicic's statement is accurate...he just wasnt able to anything with what Canas was giving him.

    The problem is that he says it in a way that implies that Canas was doing something wrong, which he wasnt.

    Didnt Ljubicic know he was going to play that way? He has been doing it for 3 weeks now, IW, and Miami.

    Ljubicic should give credit to Canas for his tenacity, and then blame himself and/or his coach for not coming up with an effective strategy to address Canas's game.
     
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  26. SoBad

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    Not true - some of the posters here have first-hand experience of schooling the pro's, like this guy who used to own Alex Bogdanovic:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=43907
     
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  27. larlarbd

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    I agree man , Canas played well - he won , instead of giving him credit it was a sad thing to say . I'm quite sure if You gave Lby a match against a 11yr old girl & if he lost - he'll blame it on the girls little legs that freaked him out so he couldn't serve . C'mon , You know how canas plays - come up with a better gameplan - why keep whining abt an opponent who has plenty of heart. Yes he keeps getting the ball back but we all know he does it in a enjoying way - he just doesn't get the ball back in the middle - yes , in the middle but with soemthing on it which makes it difficult to hit outright winners . He has heart & never give up mentality . Plz , give some credit to the guy instead of b*****ting .
     
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  28. ShooterMcMarco

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    Too bad Ljuby has that kind of attitude because I like his game.
     
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    Really? I wasn't aware of it. I mean who would believe anyone in here if they said they were professional or beat a pro? Also, I wouldn't think a pro would go around posting in here as opposed to practicing, driving an expensive car, getting laid or traveling around the world. But if you say so I believe you. :)
     
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  30. Mick

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    his forehand and backhand are nice looking.
     
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  31. SoBad

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    Glad to have expanded your HORIZONS...:D
     
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  32. 35ft6

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    Dang. I think I'm starting to dislike Lube.
     
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  33. pow

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    Calling someone a "pusher" is no excuse to lose. That just makes it all that much worse. I don't mind playing a pusher at all, no surprises.
     
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  34. TheNatural

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    Hes just saying that his opponent dealt with the conditions and with him a lot better than he was able to deal with them. He needs to up the ante and change things that he's in control of instead of focusing on his opponents pushing or saying the conditions suited his opponent. It would have been more helpful for him to suggest ways he could have played differently.

    Lubs height give him an advantage over almost everyone so he shouldnt be complaining about conditions suiting anyone else.


    but....

    I also think these guys words are overanalysed a bit, and he seemed to just be decribing why he lost and how the conditions impacted his ussual game more than his opponents.



     
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  35. laurie

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    Technically and movement wise Ljubic is one of the worst top 5 players in the history of the game. Consequently he needs the conditions to be right to look good, including his opposition.

    I can't stand the man.
     
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  36. FitzRoy

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    ...says the guy whose game is built around the fact that he can serve better than almost everyone else.

    Seriously, though. If his honest account of the match is that Canas hit every ball down the middle of the court, then I can see why players want to have coaching during matches. That sounds like a good quote from a guy who doesn't know what the hell just hit him.

    So all one has to do to defeat the #15 seed, the #1 seed, the #6 seed, and the #7 seed in consecutive matches at a huge tournament is hit a lot of balls down the middle of the court? Sorry, I didn't realize that Canas must be the luckiest guy on the planet, to have all of these top players (apparently) play their worst against him.

    Message to Ljubicic: sorry, my man; sorry that Canas wasn't giving you any free points like most of the other error machines you typically beat. If you are (as you seem to be implying) the superior player, then you should be able to use your superior game to set up a point patiently and deliberately. Are you basically saying that it's tough for you to beat a player who has less weapons than you because the conditions aren't ideal? In that case, you should probably wave goodbye to that thing you see slowly fading over the horizon...you know, your soon-to-be-former Top Ten ranking.

    Am I the only one who remembers all of the break points Ljubicic had in the first set? Does anyone else recall him hitting weak, no-pace, passive backhand slices, as though trying to win at a crucial time by allowing the opponent the opportunity to make a mistake? Talk about irony.

    To those who dislike Canas' "style of play": You're right. Determination, absolute focus, mental toughness, a willingness to fight for every point and every ball, and strokes that you can rely on in the clutch all day are not things to be admired. Hopefully this Canas chump will go away soon, right? A few weeks is enough already, so let's just go back to guys like Gonzalez and Ljubicic losing matches against Federer before even stepping onto the court. It's definitely more entertaining that way.
     
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    Djokovic's screaming father will have a hard time keeping up with the screaming Spanish speaking fans to-morrow. He's like Yuri Sharapov on his most obnoxious behaviour days.
     
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    I was thinking - The 21st century version of Borg, he'd just keep the ball coming back until you made a mistake, not easy to do BTW.
     
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  39. 35ft6

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    Holy poop, this is classic:
    How did I miss this trainwreck of a thread the first time around. Better than Federer!? That's a bold statement for a TW poster.
     
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  40. vllockhart

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    From what I saw, Lubi just didn't do anything to win points. I said, damn, he's standing back where Nadal stands. Doesn't this guy have a big forehand? Canas was on the baseline and stepping into the court to hit. Lubi had no aggrssion whatsoever. That's not how I remember his game. He's another one that seems to have lost his spark.
     
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  41. callitout

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    I only saw a bit of that match, but I've seen Canas' other matches, and I've been surprised by how he's shown an allcourt game. Coming in and finishing points when necessary and serving aggressively. He's played a much different style from the sterotypical "clay court pusher". He also seemed to hit an incredible number of lines this week.

    Ljubicic is such a sour grapes loser. Yeah, the best way to play is to go for broke. By that logic, the old Gonzo would have been number one.
    Does Ljubicic need a new coach? Of course a good player makes a power player go for too much and make errors.
     
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    LOL good one
     
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    Typical Ljubicic comments after being defeated
     
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  44. xanctus

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    I remember he was complaining about Coria 2 years ago I think, and that time he actually WON...how interesting is that??
     
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  45. Fondoftennis

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    It is not the first time that Ljuby badmouths his fellow players when beaten. He has also said that he is against giving people coming back from doping suspensions opportunity to get back on track. Probably he wants them killed. How about death penalty for doping offenses?... Specially if those players can beat you any time soon...

    Now he is going to say that Cañas is not nice, has bad breath and does not shower enough, so he was smelling so badly that he could not concentrate in serving right...

    Go, Ivan, get a life. You have a lovely wife to begin with. There are other things to do beside tennis...
     
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  46. SteveI

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    Hi,

    Not sure what match Ljubicic was watching, but Canas was swinging out of his shoes. The conditions were very hard to play in and Canas had the shorter strokes and better footwork. In addition, the wind also did not help a big server like Ljubicic. Play that match indoors on a fast carpet.. and the results are quite differert. All and all Canas played the conditions better and had more desire to win.. heck he was without an income for how long?

    Regards,
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  47. SuperPhong

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    Lubby should learn to accept a loss, there is a reason he lost and that's because Canas was better than him in this paticular match, it doesn't necessarily mean Canas is the better player, I'm tired of hearing Lubby blaming others for his loses, so what if he's a pusher and he's nothing special...what does that make you? A win is a win...a loss is a loss...there are no excuses...aside from injury.
     
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  48. Baghdatis72

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    Ljubicic secretly believes that he should be number 1 so whenever he loses he has to find excuses to convince himself that what he believes is actually true but other factors are preventing him from success :lol:
     
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  49. jktennis59

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    Cañas is a pusher? For sure! What's the problem?
    If you can't play against a pusher is your problem.
    Cañas is the fittest player at this moment. I saw him last week at the Sony Ericsson and it's obvious that he lost at least 8 Kgs.
    Personally I don't like pushers, but I want that Cañas wins this tournament.
     
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    I believe him though.
     
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