Llodra fined.

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  1. DRII

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    Yea, interesting Bartelbly.

    I was not aware of those findings regarding anthropologists. i wonder what the breakdown is today...
     
  2. FlashFlare11

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    Probably a bit higher. Although, I can't say that it'll ever become anywhere close 98-100%.
     
  3. DjokovicForTheWin

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    I guess if I say "you stupid fudge head", technically I didn't use a swear word so I have not sworn despite the intention. :rolleyes:
     
  4. LuckyR

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    It is interesting the contortions folks will use to microanalyse a situation.

    Bottom line, his job is to promote tennis and sell tickets and his behavior/commentary was against that, hence a punitive measure (a fine).
     
  5. aphex

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    That is not his job.
     
  6. LuckyR

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    Ask the ATP what his job is.
     
  7. magnut

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    Um no, his job is to win tennis matches. Thats what keeps him on the tour.

    The tournament is in the business of promoting sales. If what you say were true guys like Davydenko never would have had careers and guys like Agassi would have won every tournament the ever played in and be the GOAT.

    Nice try though. Money does not control everything in this sport. They are sure trying though.
     
  8. lbjames23

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    let s change it up a bit. tell me ,so if during a match in IndianWells, lodra yell at: "u ****ing hongkongnese".do you find it s racist ?

    Or when lodra s supporters r being shouted :" ****ing french" in the same venue.

    here u go, you find the answer yourself.
     
  9. lbjames23

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    the problem is the F word. unless you ve been called a lot. I m just saying , no offense.
    Welcome to America
     
  10. lbjames23

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    you sir sure have no shame. if someone calls you ****ing phnx90, you d answer that cuz u think it s emphasizing ur name.
     
  11. stormholloway

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    I don't really understand the apologizing. By saying "putain Chinoise" or "f*cking Chinese" he is implying that whatever that individual was doing was consistent with what he perceives to be typical, negative behavior by Chinese people.
     
  12. CDestroyer

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    A rude Frenchy what a massive suprise.
     
  13. cknobman

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    ^^^^^^^

    Perfect example of being racist. LMAO
     
  14. magnut

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    Chinese Chicks are known for this kind of behavior at Gulbis matches. I think you will find this to be common knowledge on the tour.
     
  15. li0scc0

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    Of course, in the objective sciences, such as Medicine, race IS a very important determinant of disease as well as reaction to various medicines and anesthesia.
    As for anthropology, that is a surprisingly low number in the US, where Boasian anthropology reigns. Expect among more erudite anthropologists most to agree that there ARE races, as a simple 101 knowledge of Genetics and/or other hard sciences shows there most definitely ARE discernable differences and that race is real.
     
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  16. DjokovicForTheWin

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    That doesn't really have to do with race per se, but rather genetic lineage and evolutionary adaptation to specific environments.
     
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    i heard that in France, racism is common place there, even to this day. It is sad but this is what i have heard.
     
  20. Bartelby

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    This Llodra is certainly not backing down; and his remark is again about women and sex!!!

    Llodra did speak to the Chinese news site SINA.com, in which he attempted to apologize. "My words were not aimed at China," Llodra said. "I love Chinese—I can totally make love with a Chinese girl."
     
  21. slice bh compliment

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    While that is just the right combination of cheesy and honest to get Llodra some fine Chinese trim, there is a chance that remark might just backfire on him.

    We'll just have to see how this plays out.
    ;-)
     
  22. Spin Doctor

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    Heh. Did he really say that? Good idea to use humor to deflect the situation methinks.
     
  23. Lemoned

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    http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.c...al-slur-says-a-fine-is-not-enough/?ref=tennis
     
  24. Bartelby

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    Barlow seems to be enjoying her moment of fame.
     
  25. Lemoned

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    Yep, because while Llodra's handling it so professionally, she is just overreacting and it's fun to be in her position?
     
  26. Roddick33

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    None of this is racist. We're all the human race.

    :p
     
  27. Bobby Jr

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    That is comedy gold from Llodra. :lol:
     
  28. Crisstti

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    What an idiot :? He also obviously doesn't even think he did anything wrong.

    Just quoting this since it's such a clear explanation that many here seem to just miss.

    It does. You are using it to put him down, hence you think being bald is something bad about someone...

    Let's just replace Chinese with black of Jew and see how many then think it's racist (and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether the woman was really Chinese or not).

    I don't know if most are aware of what happened with Liverpool's player Suarez for a very similar situation?.

    Because historically there has been, and there still is, discrimination against such groups.
     
  29. stormholloway

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    Says the guy who probably never left his hometown.
     
  30. tusharlovesrafa

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    I think south american,north american,african,european and asian people are one of the most racist people on earth...Where as People from Mars and Venus are least racist.
    I am planning to settle with my GF on mars and then we'll have FUN over there!!! Let the SEDUCTION begin..
     
  31. stormholloway

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    So because there's one human race means people can't be racist? Please reexamine your 'logic'.
     
  32. LuckyR

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    This oversimplification is like saying that a waiter's job is to take your order and deliver the food. Not really, his job is to make your dining experience as good as he can. Restaurants that don't make that clear rapidly go out of business in most large markets.

    You are correct as to what the guys who pay the bills (the tournaments) are trying to do, but when you make the job of the guys with the $ more difficult, it is like pi55ing off the boss, you get dinged.
     
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    "putain français"

    I know this is how you speak at home, but you can try for yourself to bring it up at an event at that scale. + the woman s not even chinese.

    "putain français"
     
  34. Claudius

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    "I love China because I find their woman doable" What an ass.
     
  35. norbac

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    Wow, Llodra's a pure doosh, isn't he?
     
  36. Claudius

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    Not exactly his words, but he basically said it.
     
  37. Nathaniel_Near

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    How did I misunderstand you? :(
     
  38. kimbahpnam

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    NBA fines players 25K+ for criticizing refs (without slurs or profanity), and the ATP fines Llodra for $2,500......ATP's a joke.
     
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    I read that now, trying to fix things, he said: "My words were not meant against China. I love Chinese people. I can perfectly well make love to a Chinese woman." [«Mes paroles n'étaient pas dirigées contre la Chine. J'aime les Chinois, je peux parfaitement faire l'amour à une Chinoise.» http://www.lematin.ch/sports/tennis/llodra-pourrais-amour-chinoise/story/31674160

    So first he calls her "putain de Chinoise," then he repeats it in English "F--ing Chinese". http://www.purepeople.com/article/m...nciers-il-recidive-malgre-une-amende_a97529/1
    And then he apologises by assuring us that he is capable of making love to Chinese women. Really, this guy needs some social skills, or something.
     
  40. Bartelby

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    Don't they get paid far in excess of your average tennis player?

    I think he was fined about 20% of what he earned from the tournament.



     
  41. kimbahpnam

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    and what he said was about 500% more offensive than what an average nba player says criticizing a ref
     
  42. Bartelby

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    I think it could mean that being a racist doesn't refer to race as there is only one of them.

    It's a remnant of nineteenth century race theory to think racism refers to races.



     
  43. Bartelby

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    That would not be a rational penalty.

    That would be a penalty in excess of 100k.




     
  44. AtomicForehand

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    I was just about to make that exact same post. So disappointed to find out what he's really like. I *had* been a fan.
     
  45. kimbahpnam

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    sounds more rational than $2,500
     
  46. Bartelby

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    The overwhelming majority of the human race, and the overwhelming direction of the foreign policy of the governments of this world, is fundamentally xenophobic.

    Making Llodra some sort of bouc-emissaire is ridiculous - he's been penalized and he's not going to change. Worry about more serious examples of this behaviour.
     
  47. AtomicForehand

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    Wrong.

    All of the moral implications of Llodra's remarks aside, it is *very* bad business for the ATP to allow its employees to insult customers and offend the public. They should clamp down hard on this right from the start to send a strong message to the players and the public that this sort of thing won't be tolerated.

    But of course, the ATP doesn't do this. A pretty morally compromised and weak leadership organization. Llodra sucks and so does the ATP.
     
  48. Bartelby

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    The ferocity of the reaction to Llodra's remarks is out of all proportion to the offence.

    He was fined a reasonable sum and if he were fined anymore then there would have to be a full inquiry with lawyers, evidence.

    And complete evidence rather than the kind of sketchy evidence that newsreports contain.

    Direct your reformist zeal out into the world. The ATP is not going to make the world a better place. Start with your local government and ask it hard questions.
     
  49. kimbahpnam

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    the fact that this was aimed towards a fan just makes it so much worse. Rex Ryan got fined 75K for saying "STFU" to a fan. stfu is nothing compared to what llodra said
     
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    Who cares......Get over it and move on
     

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