LMAO @ Notre Dame

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  1. soyizgood

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    I thought about it. As lousy as ND has been, they could have gone 9-3 (lost to UNC, Pitt, Syracuse at the end). I still would have LMAO'd them even at that record because they get stomped on in big games, but at least that would have been some progress.

    Past two years ND has lost to USC by a combined 76-3. And USC turned it over three times, which could have made the score even worse.
     
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    I'm not sure ND would accept a bowl bid. The school has had an attitude of not accepting bowl bids from non-prestigious (non New Year's Day) bowls. Besides, does ND really want to risk having another losing season? Yeah, that would require Weis to exercise his "brilliance" for another game. I just don't see this as a win-win situation for ND though.

    ESPN pointed out that Charlie Weis lost his eighth straight game against a top 25 team (and 10th of last 11) as the Irish extended their worst two-year stretch ever with a 15th loss.
     
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    I agree.

    Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they get a bid. They have a huge following which translates into big $$$ - for the network that televises the game and for the town that hosts the game.

    They don't deserve a bid, but it is not always about who deserves it.

    DH
     
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    They deserve a bid to the Toliet Bowl. And let Charlie "the offensive genius" (offensive indeed!) eat from that trough... :)

    They thought they were going to have Urban Meyer in the fold and when that didn't pan out, they were stuck....still are...
     
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    They got the Hawaii Bowl. It's basically a home game for Hawaii, so expect ND to get flushed down the drain. Weis needs surgery on both knees from that one hit he took as well as the hundred of all-he-can-eat joints. Him, Mangino, and Andy Reid know ALL of the good food spots in the country.
     
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    My favorite ND game of all time has to be when they played Miami in 1985. I think the game was in South Bend. It was on national TV. Miami had become a good team around 1981 prior to that they had been absolute doormats for decades. ND had them on the schedule every year and pounded them into the ground annually without a shred of mercy.

    Miami ran a pro set offense in 85. Jimmy Johnson was the coach and Vinnie Testaverde was the starting QB. They threw a lot, not like Texas Tech does now, but they relied heavily on their passing game even though they had good backs like Melvin Bratton, Warren Williams and Alonzo Highsmith at the time (All three played in the NFL) But even with a loaded backfield, Miami threw a lot. Michael Ervin was a WR and just about all of the skill players on that squad played in the NFL for years. Testaverde just retired last year.

    Miami had one of those rare we can do no wrong days. I don't think they had to punt the entire game, maybe once. They were up about 40 points and continued to throw the ball in the second half. Former ND coach Ara Parsegian and Pat Hayden were calling the game (on ND's payroll?) They started whining like PMS-ing women that Miami was displaying poor sportsmanship by throwing the ball. They went on and on about it. I thought Hayden was going to start crying which is weird because he went to USC.

    Now I can tell you ND never showed Miami any mercy when they were good and Miami sucked. They always rolled up the score on Miami. Long story short, this became a minor national outrage with Miami being portrayed in the media as the evil score runner uppers against sacred ND. The final score was 58-7. Not that bad. hell, Texas Christian beat another team by something like 80 points this year and no one said anything about it.

    It was sort of funny to observe. Whining like that is rare indeed.

    And eventually, ND took Miami off their schedule because it became almost a guaranteed loss every year.
     
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    practice makes perfect: "Greentree" awaits you

    No, I don't think you could TELL me anything; certainly not here anyway.

    Now, what part of your woefully inaccurate post would you like me to shoot holes in? Your emotions have clearly gotten the better of you pal and your post's "payback is a biatch" contention (i.e. that ND always ran it up vs. the Canes) is complete and utter bullshiate and by extension you have no clue as to what end is up here. If you want to level the charge that ND ran it up against someone, you can look at ND-BC when Holtz coached there; ND faked a punt when already up by a big margin. My brother played that game; he even said that a number of ND players didn't like it themselves. You simply hate ND and want to go to town on them? Fine; knock yourself out for all I care. But please, if you're going to recklessly throw distortions, inaccuracies and "embellishments" around in your apparent haste to engage in a ND rant, at least have the good sense not to do so on the shoulders of the 'Canes if you please.

    Oh, and btw, for whatever it's worth, I didn't attend ND; I did however attend the University of Miami.

    But if it'll make you feel any better, I'll leave you with this:

    Q: How can you tell a person goes to Notre Dame?
    A: They'll tell you.

    God made Notre Dame #1........Miami made 'em #2.

    p.s. there's a UM saying that goes: "It's a 'Cane' thing ... you wouldn't understand." maybe that applies here.
     
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    Hey Dedans, I see that the CAL BEARS are playing the miami hurricanes in the Miss Congeniality Consolation Bowl in San Francisco. Let me know if you want to place a TW bet.
     
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    Hurricane Warning: Miami's not Stanford; you're going to have to contend with more than their Marching Band! :)

    UM's got a bunch of talented freshman; talented but still, freshman. And this is a home game for Cal. I can see why da' Bears have been installed as 6-point favorites.

    ....just saw an ESPN promo for this year's (DOG!) Rose Bowl between Penn St (z-z-z) and USC. Why couldn't there be a "sexier" match-up such as USC vs. Texas instead of another ho-hum Big 10 team getting beat by USC who themselves are probably sick and tired of being stuck having to play yet another Rose Bowl. But I digress: that promo showed a snippet of some wriggling-in-unison USC cheerleaders. As much as I'm not a fan of White Bronco U., I've always drooled at their cheerleaders since kindergarden. They were responsible for launching a number of my pre-adolescent, not-to-be-denied little 'pup tents' :)
     
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    Did someone say USC cheerleaders? I do not like USC football, but...
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    QUOTE=Dedans Penthouse;2929705]No, I don't think you could TELL me anything; certainly not here anyway.

    Now, what part of your woefully inaccurate post would you like me to shoot holes in? Your emotions have clearly gotten the better of you pal and your post's "payback is a biatch" contention (i.e. that ND always ran it up vs. the Canes) is complete and utter bullshiate and by extension you have no clue as to what end is up here. If you want to level the charge that ND ran it up against someone, you can look at ND-BC when Holtz coached there; ND faked a punt when already up by a big margin. My brother played that game; he even said that a number of ND players didn't like it themselves. You simply hate ND and want to go to town on them? Fine; knock yourself out for all I care. But please, if you're going to recklessly throw distortions, inaccuracies and "embellishments" around in your apparent haste to engage in a ND rant, at least have the good sense not to do so on the shoulders of the 'Canes if you please.

    Oh, and btw, for whatever it's worth, I didn't attend ND; I did however attend the University of Miami.

    But if it'll make you feel any better, I'll leave you with this:

    Q: How can you tell a person goes to Notre Dame?
    A: They'll tell you.

    God made Notre Dame #1........Miami made 'em #2.

    p.s. there's a UM saying that goes: "It's a 'Cane' thing ... you wouldn't understand." maybe that applies here.[/QUOTE]

    Hey relax, and no more downing absinthe prior to posting, okay? ;o)

    I think your post was a bit over the top relative to mine. But, this is sort of a ranting section, after all. Arguably, I had only one factual error total (regarding SB v OB as location) and I even qualified that statement by writing "I think" because I wasn't certain and didn't believe it was important enough to warrant a fact check. Didn't believe anyone reasonable would care. Then came you. ;o) It was a 50/50 shot even guessing. I guessed wrong. A thousand apologies. I was under the impression I was posting on a very informal message board not composing a doctoral thesis. Geez!

    As for the rest of your objections, rolling up the score and annual poundings are subjective terms. When the annual series began in 1971 through 1980 when Miami started to become a good team (thank you, Lou Saban), ND outscored Miami 299-90 and was 10-0 against Miami during that period. As an example, ND had a 44 point margin of victory in 1973 and gave the Canes several other good beatings besides. In stark contrast, from 1981-90, Miami was 7-3 against ND. While one could attribute the end of the series to Miami's entrance into the Big East Conference in 1990, I think you might agree that ND had understandably lost its enthusiasm for playing the Canes on an annual basis since the game became an almost certain loss instead of a certain victory. As an independent, ND had the ability to keep the Canes on their schedule if they had so desired as Miami still had several open dates on their schedule for non-conference games. ND opted not to do so.

    Moreover, I never stated Miami didn't run a pro set prior to Coach JJ's arrival. They have been running one version, or another, of a pro set offense since they made Mike Rodrigue a receiver and replaced him with Mad Bomber Kelly at QB in 79 under Former All American Howard Schellenberger (who played at Kentucky under one Paul "Bear" Bryant.) Howard is my absolute fave UM Coach of all time. A great offensive schemer. I wish he had never left Coral Gables. Damn USFL!

    The crux of my post was quite simply turn about is fair play and Hayden's and Parsegian's whining seemed out of place given the history of the series.

    In closing, and with all due respect, go jump in Lake Osceola and cool off. ;o)
     
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  12. Dedans Penthouse

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    you call the following ("always") quote subjective?
    Using your own numbers (ND outscoring UM 299-90), tell me how averaging 29.9 points per game constitues the *cough* subjective assessment of ND always running the score up on UM? As for '73, Alabama also laid the wood on UM 43-13 (ND & 'Bama played for the title that year). ND ran for 448 of their 574 yards that game; it wasn't as if Clements was throwing the ball with the game no longer in doubt. If anything, a case against ND could've been made vs. Army, beating them 62-3, but Army was clocked by Navy that year 51-0 (ouch!) and went 0-11 that year. ND was national champs that year at 11-0 and beat a number of teams by similar scores: Miami 44-0; Northwestern 44-0; Navy 44-7; Air Force 48-15. Doesn't look like they went out of their way to lay the wood on the 'Canes. Those similar scores looked like "business as usual" for what eventually was an undefeated national champion team....hell, I've seen worse. Why just the year before ('72), Miami waxed UNLV 51-7. No big deal; a good team beating a bad team and the score reflecting the relative talent of both teams. Incidents occuring during the course of a game really tell the score. But more to the point, 29.9 points per game average imho does NOT constitute "always running up the score on Miami on an annual basis." I'm simply calling attention to that "stretch." And further, my previous post (and this) was hardly 'rant' in tone; hardly. Who gives a damn anyway? Additionally, I thought the ND jokes contained within would've hinted at that, but apparently not....not to mention indicting Holtz on his fake punt vs. BC (which paid ND back by beating them the following year and knocking them from national champ contention......whatever.... Er, just prior to "the 70's":
    1967: Miami 58; Pitt 0
    1968: Miami 48; Pitt 0
    Nah, the 'Canes never had THAT big of a feces sandwich shoved down their throats by ND.

    29.9 point average (per game) constitutes "Halftime" for the Bob Stoops of the world.


    Well, the crux of my post was simply to call attention to the fact that it wasn't "always" .... it really wasn't, well, period. The 70's was simply a period when a good team faced a program that was in disarray particularly once ol' crusty Charlie Tate quit though I think the 'Canes to their credit did hang tough while maintaining a tough schedule, especially under Carl Selmer (even if his 2-year record didn't show it). As for Pat Hayden, Hayden's whining may've seemed strange being that he was a Trojan, but then again, it may also be telling as well. My thinking is that ever if he was turned off by Johnson's absurd FAKE PUNT (while up 44-7 in the 4th Qtr.) it was probably more about him paying lip-service to his broadcasting partner Parsegian. Again, you missed the crux of my post: the contention that it was a set-in-stone practice for ND to ANNUALLY run up the score on UM.

    I dove in once on a dare years back ..... scaddadled my ass outta there and don't care to do it again....gators..crocs... no thanks. I would suggest however that you take a lovely boatride on Osceola; I can book passage for you for the evening before Homecoming if you wish...bring matches...... ;-)
     
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    I dove in once on a dare years back ..... scaddadled my ass outta there and don't care to do it again....gators..crocs... no thanks. I would suggest however that you take a lovely boatride on Osceola; I can book passage for you for the evening before Homecoming if you wish...bring matches......


    Thanks anyway, I'll pass on the boat ride. A kid drowned attempting to swim across that infamous scum covered, man-made, would be "lake" a few years back. He was taking the ultimate short cut to Eaton Hall, I suppose.

    Besides, I read somewhere that they closed down The Rat. So, where would I find adequate inspiration for such an ill conceived boat ride or swim? ;o)

    If you are going to make distinctions between a 44-0, a 48-10 and a 48-0 beat down, we're on very different pages. Even if you average out the scores of ND's ten straight wins, which statistically skews the argument in your favor, you are still left with an average margin of victory of three touchdowns per game. Lets' be honest, ND kicked the crap out of Miami for years without apology which is what made the 58-7 1985 game so sweet, at least, for moi.

    Always was a bad choice of words on my part. Always is always a bad term to use in any argument. ;o)

    Let's just agree to disagree. We can, however, agree about USC's cheerleaders (the female ones anyway.) ;o)

    I wish UM had hired Mike Leach when they had the chance. Even, if they still lost, if would have been fun to watch. Perhaps someday, UM will recruit a true passer in the mold of Kelly, Vinnie, Bernie, Dorsey, et al. I'll even settle for another Steve Walsh at this point. Marve and Harris aren't impressing me at all. Either is the offensive coordinator. Very predictable, very boring football.
     
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    Good news (well good and bad). Until the credit markets improve, they've delayed construction for the SAC (Student Activity Center), which means the 'The Rat' is going to stay opened through the '09 fall. They were originally going to go with putting it where Sbarro's is temporarily, but are staying put. So FF, drink up lagoon Admiral......."all aboard!" :razz:--"hiccup!"
    Actually....sigh....to think that once upon a time they served 16-oz. beers for FIFTY CENTS there during Happy Hour...... :sad:


    No, no, no FF,...that's just my point; I'm NOT making distinctions between a 44-0, a 48-10 and a 48-0 beat down.....I was trying to illustrate ND didn't make it a point to single out UM; that 44-0 (imo) was simply weekly "business as usual" for an eventual championship team. Heck, 'Bama (#2) waxed the 'Canes as well that year.


    What is it that we're disagreeing about? All's cool. We're both on the same hurricane page. You're simply suffering from acute notru damus antipathius; a pathology whose symptoms can include temporarily insanity and delusion. Not a problem; we can work through this.. :)


    The TT guy who looks like an older "Flounder" from the movie "Animal House" would've definitely brought back "QB U" to "Greentree" (practice field).

    I'm still not happy with Shalalalalala not inking a deal that would've kept the UM-OB intact. Joe Robbie or Dolphin "seats-too-far-away" Whatever Stadium is a 7-iron from the Broward County boarder (even north of Miami Norland "Vikings" H.S. territory). Way too much history in the OB to have placed it at the mercy/whims of her, the Marlins et al (or whoever is really responsible for letting that fall through the cracks)....jmho... regards
     
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    ND 49
    Hawaii 21

    Rumor is Notre Dame is looking to schedule Hawaii on a regular basis. They'd be willing to do a home-and-home just to toughen up their schedule. Clausen actually looked like an All-American during the 1st half. This assumes they are willing to drop a team like Washington or San Diego St. from the schedule. LOL

    Weis and ND win A bowl. ND finishes 7-6. Peace may be restored to South Bend, at least until September.
     
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    Only saw the first half and Clausen looked good, the offense looked good.
     
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    As a Notre Dame hater, I've loved their recent downfall.

    But, in all honesty, I don't want it to continue. As a USC fan, Notre Dame being slightly "down" is OK, but ND being pathetically weak, does USC no good in terms of contending for national titles. After the loss to Oregon St, USC never got back into national title discussions, and rightfully so. No Pac-10 team stepped up as to give USC a great-looking conference win. And, ND did not provide a national stage, national caliber win late in the season as in years past. USC needs ND to at least be "good" if not great.

    The only thing I hate about ND fans is how delusional and entitled they are. They act as if being invited to top bowls and contending for national championships is their birth right.

    Without a doubt I expect ND to be a field top teams again. They have the tradition and, mainly, they have the resources. But, I do not expect them to be fielding top 5 teams year after year after year as in decades past. They'll have their Top 5 years, and also have to contend with blase top 20 years, and "down" years where they are 6-6 and unranked. I agree with ND fans that they will return to the top, intermittently, but I don't think they will do it as consistently as prior eras. College football has changed too much, and the talent level is SO much deeper.

    I laugh at those who think ND football is dead. Lots of top programs go through bad streaks where they are good to awful. Look at USC before Pete Carroll arrived. A very good year here or there, but basically years of mediocrity. Texas was still a very good program during their 20-year national title drought, but the fact remains, they went a long time without winning the big one. ND is no different.
     
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    ^^^^ Texas went almost 40 years between titles. And even then they still beat Oklahoma plenty of times.

    ND is going through the same mess Florida St., Nebraska, Miami, in that reduced scholarships spread out the talent. That and many top programs had former assistants that went elsewhere to start up programs that are now better coached and equipped to compete. Some schools like Syracuse and Washington have not been able to adjust while others like BYU, Utah, Boise St., TCU, Texas Tech have benefited.

    ND also has a similar problem as Michigan. Both schools have traditionally been run-oriented. With the advent of the spread offense (and other gimmicky, pass-happy ones), you see athletes, esp. WRs and TEs, eager to play for those schools. It will take a few years before they can recruit higher caliber offense players. Until then, USC, the SEC, Big-12 are going to get first dibs.
     
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    Florida St. 42
    Wisconsin 13

    Wisconsin is a CHUMP. ND better keep track of bowls to determine their schedule. LOL
     
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    I'd also say that even though ND has a HUGE tradition and a fiercely loyal, international fanbase, has been a traditionally attractive school to top recruits, and is, in popular culture, an inconic football school, it is a long way removed from time when it was truly the elite college football program.

    There is an entire generation of athletes for whom which ND is just another school, as odd as that may seem to many fans. Yeah an offer from ND is nice, but unlike in generations past, a lot of players won't see it as any better (or even not as good) as offers from other elite football programs. Obviously, if the player is devout Catholic, grew up in an ND household, etc., the offer has more meaning, but for many (not all) of today's players with no connection to the school, ND has no special place, no matter what all the college football talking heads and historians blab on and on about.

    The notion that ND "is college football" is outdated as many other schools caught up and talent has deepended. There are lots of great places to play football, and there are even mundane reasons not to go to ND - weather, the boring-nature of South Bend, strict academic requirements (as unfortunate as that may sound).

    As I posted previously, I fully expect ND to rise to elite status again, now and then, but I don't see a sustained rise where they are in the national title picture (or even the major bowl picture) as much as in previous generations -- for all the reasons just stated.
     
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    Notre Dame BLANKED at halftime by Navy.

    Halftime
    Navy 14
    ND 0
     
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    Hmm well Navy did better than USC at the half against ND :lol:
     
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    Clausen tried to run for the TD..... got popped, fumbled, and got KTFO.

    End of 3.
    Navy 21
    ND 7

    Navy recovers the ball at their 1YD line.
     
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    Navy had the ball at their 1YD line. The Navy FB funs for 39 yards. Oh well...
     
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    Navy leads 23-14 after getting the safety. Uh-oh.... Looks like Navy will win for the 2nd time in the last 3 meetings, including two in a row AT ND. Oh boy....

    23-21 Navy with 20 sec 24 sec. ND recovered the last onside kick. Another onside kick coming up....

    Navy recovers the onside kick. One knee down and another dark day for ND.....

    Navy bowl eligible for their 7th straight year. GG guys.
     
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    Notre Dame is winless too? ha ha ha ha ha!!!! My grandpa was an Irish fan and I went to Catholic school (where everyone loved ND) But then again my University of New Mexico Lobos are winless as well...
     
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    ND was hoping to be BCS eligible, but this loss basically eliminates them. They'll be lucky to stay in the top 25.
     
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    Are you kidding? There's absolutely NO CHANCE that ND will be in the top 25 after this dismal loss... credit to Navy for not giving up though
     
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    Navy never trailed, but they sure got lucky a few times

    ND missed 2 FGs
    ND couldn't convert a 4th and goal
    Clausen fumbled at the Navy 1yd line
    Clausen threw an INT near the Navy 5yd line because his receiver wasn't even looking for the ball

    Not your daddy's Notre Dame, I'll say...
     
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    Is this the first time the Irish won't be bowl-eligible? If so-ha ha ha ha :twisted:
     
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    No, Notre Dame's easy schedule has afforded them enough wins to be bowl eligible. Two years ago they went 2-9 or was it 3-8? They missed a bowl under Willingham and under Davies as well.
     
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    UConn 33
    ND 30


    2nd straight year losing on Senior Day. UConn just kept running the ball down ND's throat.
     
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    Clausen got sucker punched?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4685673
     
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    11/08/09 (posted by you)....11/21/09 (posted by you).....11/25/09 (posted by you)...

    Whadda think soyz?...maybe somebody's (not) trying to tell you something?..... ;-)
     
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    ND sucks b/c

    a)No one wants to play for Weis. He's just a bad leader, as his little childish press conference stunt yesterday showed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hS-4VXquY

    b)Kids don't want to play in South Bend, Indiana, when they can go to Southern Cal, Florida, or heck even Texas to play. The cache of the Notre Dame TV contract isn't enough to persuade kids to come there when the Internet and ESPN gives pretty much any kid with enough talent all the exposure they need to make it to the pros.

    c) Most HS kids probably don't even remember the last time ND won a Nat'l Championship. This whole thing about Notre Dame being THE College Football school is irrelevant when no who you are recruiting remembers ND winning championships. Heck who's the last great player ND had? Quinn? He stinks...Julius Jones? He's OK, but was he even at ND for that long? The cache of the ND name is pretty non-existent now. Heck before last year they hadn't won a bowl game in like 10+ years.
    Schools like Miami, FSU, etc may be down, but they still have good recruiting area and recent success relatively speaking to fall back on. ND doesn't have that at all. Indiana isn't a recruiting hotbed, and most kids in the Mid West (got censored somehow?) go to OSU or some other Big Ten school over ND.

    This is why its going to be tough for Notre Dame to compete talentwise, no matter who the coach is. I hear Cowher's name being floated. If that happened, it would be the only thing to possibly bring in recruits. The name Notre Dame isn't enough anymore to bring in the top level recruits you need to win at the highest level of CFB.
     
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    OMFG I can't believe I never saw that one. I LMAO at that one and fave'd it too. If someone can make that for UCLA football I'd likely spit my drink out my nose.
     
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    ND had problems before Weis came aboard. Davies had so-so years and so did Willingham. Even Holtz was feeling wore down by expectations. I agree with your assessment though.

    ND alumni and boosters have lost touch with reality. They act like being in the top 5 is their God-given right. This program kept relying on running even when other programs went to the air and diversified their offense. On defense, ND's has been TERRIBLE over the years at stopping the run and dealing with spread offenses. When recruits think of ND offense, high-octane/high-scoring/intimidating/awesome does not come to mind. So good luck attracting quality star offensive players while pray-to-the-heavens in attracting high-caliber defensive players. The only pro bowlers ND has produced that currently play in the NFL are on special teams.... and Justin Tuck. That's it...

    It's a more level playing field now with the reduced scholarships. Now I commend ND for emphasizing academics in selecting recruits and for pushing them to graduate. That said, getting smart players should actually be a benefit for success.

    It's not the players that have really let the team down the past 3 years. I really put that blame on the coaching. Weis acts like he's some divine saint, yet he's been exposed for his bad decisions during games and for failing to capitalize on opportunities. Losses to Pitt/Syracuse/Navy/North Carolina/UConn came partially from underestimating the opponent, relying on talent solely to prevail, failure to adjust the defense when his team got exposed, and failure to rally the team and give them the belief they can win. He is clueless when things don't go according to plan.

    ND is stuck in neutral regardless who coaches. At this rate, NBC will think long and hard if they want to renew their contract. If NBC does not renew, then ND may have little choice but to join a conference.
     
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    Notre Dame HAS to drop their academic standards if they want to compete on a national level. Players at the skill positions on offense are often bright guys, which is why we're seeing solid QBs, a decent offensive line and some game breaking WRs, but they're getting killed on defense, which is where you find some of the "duller" kids coming out of HS.

    It will never happen for them unless they make a change. Bill Cower could coach this team, and with this talent on defense, they'll STILL give up 30 a game. You have to scheme for the players you've got, and slow, small defenders won't get it done against the ever emerging spread offense and the national power programs implementing it.

    I totally agree that the fanbase has completely lost touch with reality, and they need to know that they are no longer a top 25 program, and they won't be until they log some wins against top 25 opponents. I also agree that a lot of that has to do with coaching, but I think that ND will always lose to the top teams, but schedule enough cupcake games to post 9 wins, and for ND, 9 wins is a near automatic BCS berth.

    If I'm ND, I go after a high profile NFL coach, or a big time college winner, and I lower academic standards a bit to allow some better defensive players into the program. From there it's up to the coaches and the players to put together a team that can actually win the games they're supposed to win and compete against some of the top teams in the country (which means actually scheduling some outside of SC). If they can do that, they might be on the right track, but I think people are crazy if they think this is a team that will compete year in and year out for NCs. Those days are LONG gone.
     
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    I may be wrong since I don't follow Coll. Football closely, but doesn't ND consistently fetch a top 10 (at least) recruiting class even now?
     
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    These are the classes under Ty Willingham:

    2002: 13
    2003: 5
    2004: 30
    2005: 27

    Weis was hired in 2005. 2006 was his first recruiting class.

    2006: 5
    2007: 11 (year they signed Claussen)
    2008: 2
    2009: 23
    2010: 11

    So they are still top 10-top 20 recruiting wise, with the occasional jump into the top 5.

    http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2010

    My point is, they aren't able to cherry pick talent the way they were back in the days of Holtz. Of course this could all change if like I mentioned, they get an elite coach in there with the name recognition, like a Meyer, Cowher, etc.
     
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    No, not as good as I had thought. Thanks for posting the info , JBF1.
     
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    Stanford 45
    Notre Dame 38

    ND finishes 6-6. Another close loss for the Fighting Irish. Will ND bother to play another crappy bowl game with Weis at the helm? Will they stay the course with Weis or cut and run? Stay tuned...
     
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    It's funny...Any other team that loses four straight to finish 6-6 would probably get passed over for a bowl game, but ND will be getting an invite...GMAC bowl is my best guess, and that is a winnable bowl situation for ND. Weis should stay through the bowl game no doubt. If he's gone, a lot of those kids won't get up for that game. I would personally find it pretty funny if Weis won two straight bowl games and still gets canned.

    He's gone no doubt, and ND fans should be prepared for a bad season next year and the fact that Clausen will be gone as well and that a big name coach won't be attainable. This job will be a tough sell for an incoming coach.
     
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    Clausen's a goner. If his team had a decent defense, he'd actually be a Heisman candidate with the numbers he put up.

    Tate is still a bit raw, but I'm sure a team will take a chance with him in the 1st round assuming he does well at the combine.

    Weis, or whoever the next coach will be, is likely to have an even rougher year in 2010.
     
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    Don't feel sorry for Weis. He made out like a bandit. Only in big time college football could you have the a below average coach make $36 million. Nice work if you can get it.
     
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    I have a feeling ND will have a terrible season in 2010. Their best offensive players will have left (Clausen and Tate), they have no real talent ready to play, recruits are going to turn their nose at Notre Dame unless they get a name brand coach, and who in their right mind would want to coach there?

    Seriously, ND's administration is way over their heads. They haven't been the Mecca of college football in a LONG time. Empires rise and fall (i.e. Nebraska, Miami, Florida St., Alabama, USC) and sometimes rise again. But this is a very competitive environment now. Notre Dame's unrealistic expectations and their shoddy product is not going to be pulling in the best of the best anytime soon.
     
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    I think ND will be lucky to win 5 games next year, regardless of the coach. Clausen and Tate are the only reasons they won 6 games this year.

    ND alumni/fanbase/front office have a skewed view of their program. They're never going to be a perennial NC contender unless they seriously change the focus of their program away from academics and graduation rate. Even then it will be a tough sell over UF, USC, UT etc. I'm glad though, because I'm really tired of seeing overrated 9-3 ND teams getting BCS berths and getting clobbered in those games.

    ND needs to nut up and join a conference. NBC should pull the deal and force them into it. At the moment NBC is throwing their money away, and if ND joined a conference they would actually have a legit claim to a BCS game by not playing teams like UConn, Navy, Air Force and Syracuse and calling it a "schedule".
     

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