Trolling attempt successful. My comment was in response to Cindy saying shes going to crush the serves of the 3.0 guy because hes the clear weakness when partnered with a 4.0 girl for 7.0 mix. Someone who is double my age or older is not going to crush an 80 mph kick to their backhand. 1) I doubt they're going to be able to run around it to hit a forehand. 2) If they can crush backhands why would they ever get involved in these "lob wars" or moonballing? 3) She would likely lob such a ball, which I believe, but thats hardly considered "crushing". Nice hyperbole, btw. Not every 3.0 has such a serve, or can place such a serve. Point being is that they do exist, and although they seem rare to you, there are lots of 3.0's who have 80 mph serves. I dont see whats so hard to believe about a 3.0 having an 80 mph serve that kicks decently to the backhand. I dont see whats to hard to believe about a 3.0 who is at sectionals who takes it a step further who can place their serves to the backhand side 80% of the time. This isnt top level tennis. We're not talking about a 120 mph first serve and a 80 mph second that kicks 6 ft. high. We're talking about 3.0's who serve 80 mph (which is certainly not fast) twice, with the first serve aggressively placed to the backhand. I've seen 10 year old kids hit 80 mph serves down the T? What makes you think a 25 year old 3.0 male cant hit a kick serve to the backhand with decent spin at 80 mph? Especially one whos playing at a play off or championship? You guys make no sense.