Lobbers. We get no respect. No respect at all.

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    Nah, he's not trolling. You had it right the first time: Delusional.

    Here's Limibeans from this spring, explaining how fast he serves:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=5573044#post5573044

    Further explanation from Limibeans on the same thread:

    So. That gives some, erm, context.

    Then there is the subject of the Mad Tennis Skillz of 2.5/3.0 players Limibeans has told us so much. Remember, these are the players who can crush overhead winners from the baseline and can end a lob war. The story was a little different in April, as Limibeans explains what it was like to play 6.0 mixed as a self-rated 2.5:

    . . . .

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=5575065#post5575065
     
  2. PushyPushster

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    And Cindy's research sheds light on the awful, awful truth of Limibean's NTRP fudging. My God ... he might be a lowly NTRP'er like many others! Fortunately, I moved on from that shameful territory many moons ago. I won't reveal my actual level, but if I posted a video of me doing whatever it is I do on a tennis court, everyone on this forum would pee themselves due to my awesomeness.
     
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  3. Bud

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    So, lets get back on topic :)
     
  4. Angle Queen

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    OK. :)

    I used to consider myself a decent "lobber." Although I rarely stated a "lob war," I could usually end them -- either with a better lob or an overhead. But now that I'm playing more regularly against 4.0s (either at 4.0 or in 7.5 combo), I realize my lobs need some work. I hit a relatively flat ball anyway -- another aspect of my game I'm trying to improve to gain better margin of error -- but a "short" lob is deadly. Not only does it usually become a winner for my/our opponents but it puts my partner in their cross-hairs. Not intentionally, mind you, but there nonetheless. I've come to realize if I'm gonna get beaten by a "winner," I'd rather make them hit a decent volley than give them a powder-puff OH.

    As somewhat of a net-rusher myself, I dread playing against opponents like Cindy. I've really got to concentrate on making a more quality approach and being more prepared to retreat to chase down that lob -- if it's even possible.

    One last "lob" note: I do try to include it in my "warm-up." Because of my (current) lack of spin, I want to test the elements, so-to-speak, to see if I can dial in the range. And, bashfully, I'll sometimes use Brad G's Winning Ugly technique of pulling it when my warm-up opponent is at net just to see their reaction (but only once, intentionally!). Do they take a few steps back to try to hit the OH...and then do it well? Do they jump? What's their reach? Or do they just let it go? I'll file that mini-experience away to be tested/confirmed early in the match (after warning my partner :p ).
     
  5. Limibeans

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    I'm glad I decided to check this thread out before I made my way out again because I only post here when I have large amounts of free time.

    I know you think you've found some sort of amazing post of contradiction there, but you're still cherry picking things, taking them out of context, then blowing them out of proportion. You have some sort of vendetta against me because you're hardly even trying to discuss, let a lone, debate with the way you post.

    I mean... really?

    1) You look up my posts on this account and follow me to threads not related to this one and you try to bring this one there, or you just pop into that thread and throw a cheap shot.

    2) You scour my posts looking for any sign of contradiction?

    3) Your friends spam tennislink looking for any sign that I may have lied about something, narrowing down to where I live to NorCal and Hawaii? REALLY?

    4) Now you can see why I never want to post my NTRP here, or give out my name. You crazy people with no lives have nothing better to do than to cause trouble. I argue and disagree. You cause trouble and stalk.


    As far as the post you mentioned, you, again, failed to miss the context of the discussion because you're so angry or whatever, that you cant see anything that you dont want to see.

    When I say I have played competitive other things, but had no league play prior to sectionals, that is completely true. Previous to USTA sectionals 2008, I had no USTA experience, even in regular season.

    (I know, by saying this, you and your cyber stalker friends can probably now tell which city and state I live in.)

    If you must know, my start NTRP of 2008 was 2.5 S, it ended at 4.0 C. In one calender year I went from 2.5-4.0 and then quit based on that experience.


    When I said I lost due to lack of experience, it was because i've never seen tennis like that. I got aced on second serves because of double bounce... I mean, some of these people are playing JV girl level of tennis. I was trying to hit balls too hard, because I saw every shot of theirs as an opportunity, almost. People were out of position and I was forced to play an awkward shot as to not hurt anyone. Beaning a lady in the face... with a second serve because she didnt read the spin. Beaning the opposing lady between the legs because she couldnt react in time to my backhand return.

    Those things got into my mind and I fell apart.



    Previous to USTA league, which I had been a member of since I turned 18, I only had "open" style of competition as I played high school and some college. When I say I had "futures experience" I had played 2 wild card qualifiers for pro circuit events.

    After quitting from 2009-2010, I appealed up to play 4.5, have a blow out season and are probably getting bumped to 5.0 C next year.

    So, yes, my NTRP is effectively 5.0. I may as well just come out and say it, because im sure you already know. You'd never post it, because it doesnt support your argument, and you're just that kind of person to do such a thing.



    So, by all means, keep stalking me. I was on my way out anyway, as my free time is coming to an end. I am going to ask the moderators to monitor your posts and PM's (if they can) to make sure that you and your armchair detectives arnt sending out my personal information.

    If you're willing to spend so much time on this, I dont even want to know what you'd be doing if I had my name, phone number, email, and address.



    Get a life Cindy. You're 50-something years old FFS. Try to act at least half your age.
     
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    I see we're back off subject again.

    Let me see if I have this correct. Prior to USTA League, you played high school, some college and 2 WC events. And yet you self-rated as a 2.5?

    I was not, am not stalking you. My grande tennislink spam, as you call it, was more to prove or debunk your point (about getting to Nationals with limited regular season play)...not put a name with a claim. And although your general assertation was correct, the specific facts of your example didn't play out which continues to lead me down the path of skepticism towards the rest of your post(s).

    FWIW, Cindy and I have not and will not have any communication about you other than in this thread. But, c'mon, you've got to be old enough to realize that when you swim against the stream, you've gotta have a strong stroke. Perhaps more than would/could normally be expected...and maybe that's not "fair" but that's the way of the "anonymous" 'net. If you want credibility, you've gotta come with the goods.
     
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  7. Caesar

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    Perhaps because you're playing a senior rec game?

    There is a bit of an unwritten rule around here that you are fairly sparing with the drop shots and lobs when you're playing with the older folk. Easier on everybody's bodies and makes for a more congenial match.
     
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    Well, when you're playing in an area where the 3.0's are hitting 80mph kick serves and blasting overhead slams from the baseline, it's only reasonable ...
     
  9. Cindysphinx

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    Actually, that hasn't been my experience playing seniors.

    Seniors are all about the drop shot. I think I have had to run down more drop shots in a year of playing seniors than I had in my previous five years playing non-seniors. They also think nothing of lobbing if you dare to come in.

    I remember my very first ladies senior match. My partner and I were the "kids" because we were still just 49. One opponent parked herself in no-man's land. From there, she could volley anything she could reach, so long as she didn't need to take more than one step. Oh, the drop volleys and drop shots she could hit!
     
  10. Magnetite

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    Not sure, whenever I hit a lob, people generally say, "Great lob man."

    If they say anything at all.
     
  11. Magnetite

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    That or I swear because I hit a terrible lob, or they swear because they had to run to the back of the court only to lose the point.

    Then, most often, I'll be the recipient of a lob in the near future.
     
  12. tennis tom

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    I propose a rule change, lobs and drops shots should be banned and foot faulting made legal--this must be done to grow the game!
     
  13. Cindysphinx

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    Nooooooo!!

    Do you know what a world without lobbing out be like?

    I do, 'cause I have done some doubles clinics. : shudder :

    The pro will set up a volley drill. And then he'll say, "No lobbing." It's the same thing every time. The clinic players hang all over the net and then bunt their volleys. What good is that?

    No, the lob is the only thing that keeps net players honest. We need the lob. We need to cultivate the lob and preserve it and encourage its use. It is the only thing that separates us from the animals.

    Cindy -- who freaks out when her opponent crowds the net for warm-up volleys because every bone in her body is screaming, "Lob her!"
     
  14. Limibeans

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    I've already explained this, many times over.

    I expected 2.5 level players to be playing your average JV/Varsity (doubles) level of tennis. There are many ex-high school players playing 3.0/3.5 level tennis, whether USTA or equivalent. After playing with some park rats and seeing how their 3.0/4.0 players play, sure, id be "good" for a 2.5, but I didnt think it was unrealistic.

    I expected 5.0 players to be your average club pro tennis player. This player may not have been "touring" but he should have every shot, and hit it with consistency and power.

    I did NOT think the skill gap between 2.5 and 5.0 was about 50 years, 50 lbs. and 50 mph.



    Rating at 2.5 was one of the conditions required for me to join the team. I knew what I was doing, I just had no idea who was playing. I thought I was going to be playing against fresh high school grads, possible college kids, or something. I didnt think I was going to have to play...

    50 lbs. 50 years. 50 mph.

    IIRC, the computer gave me 3.5, even with me doing "ratings management". I had to appeal, then appeal again, which gave me the S rating.

    And yes, I know what I did was wrong. I just didnt know how wrong it was. That is why I quit USTA for a bit because of the kinda stuff that goes on. Sure, I could play a sandbagger and play down a little. I didnt think I was going to have to pretend to be... 50 lbs. 50 years. 50 mph fatter, older, slower tennis.



    Because of my experience, I "lol" all the time when I see posts saying "There is no such player at this rating that can have such skill" because I can tell you... there are. I was one of them. I joined a team with people like them.

    As I said... some of the guys on the 3.0 team are still playing 3.0. Some of them have been to nationals 3-4 times AS PLAYERS. They have been to 3.5 and back countless times.

    This happens at 4.0-5.0 as well. You have guys wanting to stay at 4.0 and guy who want to stay at 4.5. Once you hit 5.0 your options are really limited. 5.0 leagues are so tiny, that they're almost non-existent. A lot of 9.0 teams wont sign 5.0 males because they cant find enough good 4.0 females.

    These "ratings managements" happen at all levels. When people tell me that "its doesnt happen" or "its not possible" I know that they just haven't seen it and they're the people type who wont believe anything they cant see.
     
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    I offer an amendment ... We cannot afford to lose players like the Sphinx, and we all have our own demons ... Every player prior to stepping on the court must pick from a list and announce their cruel intentions ...

    "Today I intend to hit your female with an overhead"
    "I will be foot faulting like a champ today"
    "I will lob you at least 19 times tonight"
    "Every shot I hit has wicked side spin"
    .....

    Then we all agree to let this one transgression go for the match and enforce the crap out of the others.
     
  16. Caesar

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    I don't know why some people are so anal about the rules. They're just a framework. You don't have to enforce every single rule strictly and play to the absolute limit of what is allowed in order to have a 'proper game'.

    If I ever get to the point where I'm calling every piddly footfault, trying to psych out my opponents at every opportunity, and dropshotting and lobbing pensioners in order to win then I hope I'll have the good sense to give the game away.
     
  17. Cindysphinx

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    OK, I have some problems here.

    First, you and only you, are responsible for self-rating correctly. The problem is not "who you were playing." The problem was you, IMHO.

    There are a bazillion threads on these boards where people whine about losing to pushers. Defensive players. Lobbers. Drop shotters. Underhand servers. Slicers. Bottom line is if you lose, the person who beat you is a better tennis player. If you lost to 50/50/50, well . . . the older 2.5 player who handed you your head was better. Show some respect.

    Second, if you believed 2.5 level to be beneath you, you could have and should have simply declined to continue. What is not OK in my book is playing a level *you selected* and then disparaging the competition at that level.

    **Especially since you apparently lost to these players you now choose to disparage.** If you lost to people who are 50/50/50, then what does that make you?

    I will let others hammer you for self-rating at 2.5 (even telling us that you "knew what you were doing") when you had played in high school and college. Even three years ago, you had to answer certain questions to be allowed to rate a certain level. It sounds like you were not honest.

    Anyway, my main gripe with you was that you were declaring that players at 2.5-3.5 adult levels have certain attributes (big kickers, fast serves, Overheads of Doom from the baseline, no lob wars), and disparaging anyone who disagrees as a "senior." This while telling us you went straight to 2.5 sectionals without playing a single regular-season match.

    To put it charitably, you have spent next to no time playing league at those levels and simply don't know much about it. You might wish to listen and learn and defer to the many people here of varied ages, levels and genders who have told you how very wrong you are.
     
  18. kylebarendrick

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    When people say that certain skills don't exist at certain levels, they are referring to people that are legitimately playing at those levels. People that self-rate 2+ levels below their actual skill/experience and people that "manage" their matches to maintain ratings below their skill are cheating - and that doesn't fit into the skill set of the lower levels.

    I do (and I'm being serious) appreciate your acknowledgement that rating at 2.5 was wrong for you. I am not surprised (because I've seen it) that there are captains building teams like that. It isn't the norm but it does happen.
     
  19. Limibeans

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    I know. I admit that. We agree. Even while "managing my answers" I was still "too high" to join the team. When I appealed down, once, maybe even twice, (I dont remember) I did so thinking "How bad could these players possibly be? They're league players... they cant be that bad can they?"

    I have respect for their games. I said in my previous post that I do indeed respect their 3.0 games, which is why im so adamant about saying that not all 3.0's play like how you think they're supposed to play. IMO, you guys are the one disrespecting them, because the possibility of playing someone who is way underrated is just not possible for you people.


    I am not showing up the day of and refusing to play. You may see it as disparaging, I see it as holding the standard of competition too high. My idea of "normal" was at least a high school quality player. I was wrong.

    Um, I said "top tier", you guys are still playing dumb (or still refusing to read properly) in thinking that I mean that every player of that level has those skills.

    You guys are the ones who think that its not possible to run into players with those skills at high levels of competition. When you say "No 2.5 has that serve. That is a 4.5 level serve." its simply wrong. Sure, not every one has those serves, but many do.

    Why cant you post without making some smartass remark or personally insulting me? Yeah, I threw a few back at you, but my posts still have a lot of substance.

    You're right, I spent little time there. That doesnt mean I dont know anything. You might with to listen and learn and defer to people who have seen top tier play at many of the NTRP levels.



    You keep saying those players cannot exist at those levels. You keep saying that im saying every player has those skills. You keep misunderstanding.

    A 2.5 doesnt mean they have to be an absolute scrub. They can have a massive forehand and serve well ahead of their NTRP. That serve, forehand combined with youthfulness can carry them all the way. While you may have a well rounded 3.5/4.0 senior lady game, that doesnt mean that everyone has to play similar to you.

    When you made this thread, I disagreed that your lobs are the ultimate weapon which you seem to make them out to be. What I said is that top tier play here, which I have seen at this level, its very possible that 3.0 players could put away those lobs unless they are quality, topspin, relatively fast.

    If you can lob great, fine. It's just that most people who think their lobs are "good" are actually just feeding overheads to the baselines, which are not "lobs" they are feeds.

    Watch this video starting at 1:30

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPP7s5oAsls

    That is the sad reality of how most people lob. Fed is feeding balls there and is making no attempt other than to feed the ball while they warmup overheads. This is how most people hit their lobs, forehand and backhand, and those would simply be punished by top tier 3.0 players here. Not all. Some. Top tier.
     
  20. Limibeans

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    And thank you. At least theres someone else out there that knows what im talking about and know that its very possible to run into such a thing.
     
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    I did say I'd leave you alone to have fun playing your trolling games, but this I just can't resist...

    Well, at least you know what you did was wrong.

    By the way, do you ever watch Judge Judy? I think she's cool. One of her favorite sayings is: If you don't fib, then you don't need a good memory. But if you do fib, you'd better have a great memory to keep track of all your fibs and what you said, so that you don't trip up.

    Seems you should take this to heart - remember what you said in post 80 of this very thread? Here, let me refresh your memory...

    And don't tell me I'm taking it "out of context" - I have no reading comprehension issues.

    Well, at least you chose an appropriate user name, since you sure are full of them.
     
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    This thread just gets better and better.

    I think I see where we're having our logical disconnect. When you're talking about "top-tier" 3.0 players who can hit 80mph kick serves and smash baseline overheads for winners, you're referring to 5.0 players who have appealed down to 3.0. I was talking about actual 3.0 players who are about to become 3.5 players.

    Yes, you were. 2.5 is the bottom level of league tennis (in my area, anyhow). I took my first group lessons 5 years ago and 80% of our 2.5 USTA squad was comprised of the people that went through those introductory classes. We were struggling to merely hit the ball over the net ... and we did not come in last place in our division. There were actually people WORSE than us. If you really played college tennis and appealed down to that level ... it boggles the mind. That must have been a grand season for you.
     
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    First, I have to smile. Pushy, I too started off by taking introductory lessons down at the local county facility. One instructor, one court, eight women who couldn't even poke the ball over the net.

    One thing in particular stands out in my mind about those days. If the instructor fed a lob to the baseline, my classmates' ball tracking skills were so elementary that they could not run to the spot where the ball would bounce, let alone set up for an overhead from deep in the court. After about six months of this tennis training, we grabbed some folks from other beginner classes and took the court as a 2.5 team. As awful as we were, we didn't finish last in our flight either.

    And yes, all of my posts about what is typically seen at 2.5-3.5 was based on the play of people who are *not* straight-up cheating. I would have hoped that didn't need to be said, but apparently it does.

    So we have closure. Limibeans is right that if people cheat and self-rate way too low and do the wrong thing and then "manage" their ratings by cheating some more, you will see 80 mph kick serves from 3.0 men and Overheads Of Doom from the baseline at 6.0 mixed.

    I stand corrected.
     
  24. Bud

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    Limibeans, please stop posting in this thread unless it relates to the topic. You've already stated your case and made your points concerning 2.5 level players, etc.

    Thanks :smile:
     
  25. whomad15

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    Lobs are a very valid technique. If you're playing someone who isn't a giant and doesn't handle a shoulder-height ball very well, lobbing/moonball when they're at the baseline so it bounces up to their uncomfortable range is a very useful strategy.
    As others said, the slice lob is also nice, as it's easier to hit (in my opinion) and it forces the opponent(s) back into a defensive position if they decide to chase it. Once someone chases a dozen slice lobs they usually start getting very tired and just hope they go out.
     
  26. Caesar

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    Slice lobs won't beat decent players.
     
  27. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Good times. My older daughter just joined a Jr. league after her first introductory lessons and I signed her up with the exact same coach I had 5 yrs ago. Now SHE can get yelled at for not charging the net. I'm a cruel parent.
     
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    lawn chair tennis

    Well, there are lobbers and then there are "uber-lobbers". A well played lob, when played strategically during a set, is well respected by everyone. If I was playing you and you hit a lob winner, whether on offense or defense, I'd say "good shot".

    When I call someone a "lobber" with "that" tone of voice, I mean someone who hits lob after lob after lob after lob - dozens of lobs during a set, and who in fact is incapable of playing any other reasonable shot. It's beneath my level of tennis, so I don't play with that sort of player unless I get stuck with one during a league match (and there aren't too many of them in my league these days).

    I say, let the lobbers play each other, then they can truly enjoy and appreciate their peculiar brand of sloooooow-motion tennis. Really, they should just bring lawn chairs and relax on opposite baselines. Maybe enjoy a cold beverage, while they launch their skyballs from one baseline to the other, with plenty of time to do their nails in between hits.
     
  30. netman

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    Love this thread.

    Let's face it. If you like to play tennis fast, powerful and creatively, a lobber is your Krytonite. They disrupt your timing, make you keep back tracking from your position and have an uncanny ability to take your best shot and make it look totally pedestrian with their block back bunts.

    Great lobbers shift tennis from a contest of athletic ability to a contest of mental stamina. We ADHD blasters blow a gasket when facing them.

    -k-
     
  31. InspectorRacquet

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    Exactly what I thought when I read this thread. Basically, lobbing should only be disrespected when it is done dozens of times per set. My personal limit is five for the entire match before labeling anyone a lobber. I feel that any player who lobs more than five times per match in singles or doubles lacks enough variety in his or her game to win the point.
     
  32. dcdoorknob

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    I can't even tell if this is serious. :confused:
     
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    I think ppl who hug the net because they can not hit low volleys are beneath me too..
     
  34. Cindysphinx

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    I think it is really weird to have a numerical definition of what makes someone a lobber. Lob five times per set and you're a lobber. Lob four times and you're not. Disregard how often your opponents take the net, whether the lobs are winners, and annoying details like that.

    We could go with the proposed definition of "Someone who lobs because they have no other shot," but that doesn't apply to very many people, does it?
     
  35. Fuji

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    I'm ultra confused now.

    If the shot is the best available shot, then just hit it! If my opponent comes crashing into the net and is WAY too close, then of course I'm going to lob. If he does this 20 times, I'm going to lob 20 times. It's no different then any other shot! If he is 5 feet off the court, am I going to lob it right to him? Of course not! I'm going to drop shot it and make him run.

    Just play the best shot that you can in the situation! If your opponent is suffering from lobs because of their inconsistent play, then just lob away! From some of the logic on here, it seems as though if I was winning by hitting my forehand cross court, and winning the point over and over, I'd be a "dreaded forehander"? I don't think so LOL!

    Just my 2 cents! :)

    -Fuji
     
  36. Cindysphinx

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    ^If my opponent is at the baseline, I may still lob her.

    I will do this if the back court is short. If she has no overhead. If she has a 1HBH. If there are ceiling fixtures near her end. If she cannot hit on the rise. If she thinks she can hit on the rise but really cannot. If she has no swinging volley. If she thinks she has a swinging volley but does not. If she shows with body language or words that the lobs are bothering her.

    And most of all, if I am winning.

    I remember a doubles match where my opponents started playing two back because I was having some success with my returns (for a change!). I hit a topspin lob to them. One of them bounced it but ran out of real estate. Point to me. I heard the other woman tell her, "Next time, don't bounce it. Take it out of the air."

    I hit another topspin lob to them. The same lady started setting up to hit it. Her partner shrieked, "BOUNCE IT!" The lady did what she was told, the ball dropped in and then leapt over her head. She looked at the other lady and said, "You told me not to bounce those!"

    We won.
     
  37. Fuji

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    Honestly, if the shot is working, why change it?

    It causes even more trouble in doubles, because if the other team starts arguing, you might as well call it a day and just coast the rest! Causing disputes between opposing doubles teams is what my partner and I do best. We both have some wicked serving, and when we set up points that make opponents always flustering for position, then we keep doing them! The best is a cross court shot that is just out of reach for the net player, and then have the other partner ream them out for missing it! :lol:

    I think the difference between our games is, is that you play a lot of indoors where there aren't many "out of game" problems! I wish I could play indoors without having to fight weather, wind and sun! On the courts I normally play at, we have TONS of room, and no ceiling! Very rarely do we run out of real estate! :)

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  38. Caesar

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    People have disdain for constant lobbers because they make for a very boring, defensive match. If I am playing someone who goes for their shots then (win or lose) I know it's going to be pretty fun. If I'm playing someone who constantly sends up moonballs and topspin lobs I know (win or lose) it's going to be pretty unpleasant.

    That doesn't mean it's not a legitimate shot. It doesn't mean you 'should' change it. Nobody is saying either of those things.

    They are just saying that you are not a particularly enjoyable/rewarding person to play against.
     
  39. Fuji

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    I guess so! I must just have a different view on tennis then other people! :) I love playing tennis no matter who I'm playing, or what style I'm playing against!

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  40. Cindysphinx

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    ^I played The Queen Of All Lobbers once. Oh, she makes other players bow down before her. Let me describe her game and tell you how things went when we played.

    The Queen as no strokes. Oh, she can hit a flat shot here and there, and she will often start rallies in the traditional way. But out of nowhere and for no particular reason, she will throw up a monster lob. A flat, wounded duck of a shot. Her confused opponent will run over and return it some kind of way. The next shot will be another lob, this one higher and deeper than the last. Eventually the opponent will miss and the Queen will have won a point.

    The Queen is a computer-rated 4.0. She destroys any player who is a low 4.0, but she gets spanked by high 4.0+ players.

    So. I have to play The Queen in singles. On clay. She started lobbing. This didn't bother me at all. I would lob it back and then sneak in for a volley. Or I would lob it back way better, with topspin, so that she ran into the back fence. I won the first set. She won the next two sets because I got stupid and started trying new things (swinging volley from baseline on a ball falling straight down?).

    I wouldn't say that match was boring or defensive. I was taking the net and hitting volleys. What's boring about that?
     
  41. Caesar

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    Sure, but I'm sure you enjoy some matches more than others.

    A lot of people only play tennis once a week, and winning/losing is nowhere near as important as having fun. Thus they are often disappointed when they find themselves matched against someone who plays in a win-at-all-costs style and the quality of the match suffers.

    Constant lobs interspersed with the odd easy putaway volley? That sounds like one of the most boring matches of all time. Truly.
     
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  42. Fuji

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    I guess so! I play matches around 3-4 times a week, and I practice all by my lonesome somewhere in my free time. I guess I play so many matches a season, they all just blend together in a whirlwind-oh-fun! :) I enjoy practicing by myself, just as much as I do playing in a high level tournament, or doing anything else tennis related. The only time I get to have more fun is if I'm playing doubles with my girlfriend. We're both really laid back and pretty good together so it's always a fun time! The score doesn't really matter when we play, as it's all just for fun in our books. It's just a nice way to spend some time with each other!

    -Fuji
     

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