lol Murray is awful, Djokovic will demolish him.

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  1. Bad_Knee

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    Fed was playing probably the worst I have EVER seen him play in a grand slam semi-final.

    Not only that he was obviously still drained from the Tsonga match.

    Oh did I mention, Fed is 31, wayyyyyyy past his prime and statistically served about as bad as he ever has, and had one of his worst ever winners to unforced errors ratios.

    And the old man still took Murray to 5 sets....

    LMAO


    Great fighting spirit by Fed, but to anyone who thinks Murray has a cahnce of winning even a set in the final, I'm sorry to disappoint you.


    Congrats Djokovic
     
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    The scotsman will go back to what scottish people do...take it up their backs from british and about any other nations on earth.
    The old man was just to old.
     
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  3. Mike Sams

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    That's meaningless. Federer played mediocre at the US Open in 2011 and took Djokovic 2.0 to his limits.
    Federer even at his worst is still good enough to push the likes of Murray and Djokovic to 5 sets. It doesn't make Murray or Djokovic bad players. Just means Federer is a once in a lifetime player with great talent.
     
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    Im getting fed up of people thinking 31 is "OLD" you're talking about one of the best players to play the game of tennis and the world number 5 (4 technically) Ferrer is 30, noone ever refers to him as old.

    Murray outplayed him. He didnt play bad, he made Murray work hard but he was up to the task of chasing down 90% of Federer's usual winners and his serving was outstanding and Federer couldnt cope with it most of the time.
     
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    I think Murray will win the final.
     
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  6. kalyan4fedever

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    FED has the WEAKEST first serves, what the hell happened to him he used to serve too good and is one of the best servers in top 4 !!!! why fed why did u do this to us???
     
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    Well said. Big congrats to Murray.
     
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    Ferrer is peaking now, whereas Fed's last truly great year was 2007.



     
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    Can you elaborate why? Not that I disagree, I'd maybe favour Novak but slightly.
     
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    Still can't say for sure who would win. Djokovic was taken to a much more intense 5th set by Stanislas Wawrinka.
     
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  11. President

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    I also think Murray can win, he looked very good today from what I saw (didn't get to watch the whole match) and was returning and serving HUGE. He looks to have bulked up even more physically (by far the most muscular member of the top 4 now) and its showing in his serve and groundstrokes when he really lays into them, straight up overpowering Federer many times (and he can do the same to Djokovic). The only problem is mental, he choked a few big moments against Federer and could have probably finished that match in straight sets. But physically I don't see anyone beating him on a hard court right now, he looked pretty unstoppable in patches to me.
     
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  12. TJfederer16

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    LOL the worst semis Roger's played? He played a thousand times worse in his semi against Djokovic at the AO in 2008, also in 2010 and played worse in his match against Nadal there last year. Although overall he didn't play well the thing that has changed with Roger in this last year is he's playing his best in crucial moments despite not playing well overall. Although the 5th set was poor he was clearly out of gas by then but those two tiebreakers and end of the fourth were amazing, a couple of years ago Roger would have lost this match in straights, at least he managed to push Murray all the way. I thought Andy played great and was mentally very strong after losing that fourth to come out so strong again same again with the 3rd set, your delusional if you thought Andy played poorly.
     
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    Anyone who believes that Murray is awful after watching that match should have their tennis watching privileges revoked.
     
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    I hope Murray wins, soo sick of Djokervic and his whole "I'm invincible" swag he has about him, sure he claps for players when they hit winners (only if his winning) he clapped for fed at Us Open 09' semi, only because he knew he was about to lose, I see him as being somewhat of a falsely modest person, or maybe I dislike because his just that good lol

    I hope the final will be a good one, rooting for Murray because he never really acts like his all that good on court, and he acts human, gets pissed when he hits errors, even if his winning, I'll dislike him if he rips his shirt off lol
     
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    I think Murray will win too. Why? He has finally defeated Federer in a slam which will give him added confidence and to me Murray looks better. He was serving out of his mind against Federer and looked sharp throughout most of the match. People are using the Ferrer/Djokovic match too much to judge Djokovic's "great" performance, the same Djokovic who almost lost to Wawrinka.

    I think the Djokovic/Murray match should be a close match but I am going with Murray in four or five.
     
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    Firstly, because I like Murray's form in this tournament. Secondly, I think a 5-set match with Federer has battle hardened him even more than what a straight sets win would have done. I'm thinking a close 4-set win for Murray, something like 7-6, 2-6, 7-5, 7-6. Of course, I could be completely wrong :)
     
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  17. Slimshady53

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    Yes Djokovic will destroy murray in 3 sets but murray did play a good match today murray is too unlikable for me to want him to win this even though i'm not a djokovic fan.
     
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    what a ********.......sorry but honestly,we'll see on sunday afternoon ok.
     
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  19. always_crosscourt

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    lol, Murray doesn't have a hope in hell...
     
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  20. JRAJ1988

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    Murray to win in 4 close slugfest sets...
     
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  21. TennisFan3

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    Murray should win the final. I definitely give him a better than 50% chance, unless he's drained physically.

    It will be a super close match, and Djokovic can definitely outlast Murray. The key for Murray will be his first serving. If he has a good serving day, he has a great chance. If not, Djoko should pull it off.

    Wow! This is best final we could have expected. Better than Fed-Nadal/Djoko-Nadal/Djoko-Fed matches. Their AO 2012 SF was so amazing. I can't wait! Hope Murray is able to recover physically. That is really the key. Maybe another 6 hr epic!
     
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  22. tacou

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    Just use the eye test man that was hardly Fed's worst performance what about when Soderling took him out the QF stage or Berdych twice for that matter?

    He played fine in this match, started too slow and just couldn't hang with the younger Murray. Deal with it.

    As for the final Djokovic is the heavy favorite anyway but Murray is the only guy who had a chance to beat him. Fed would have gone up 2-0 and had match points before Novak decided to win.
     
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  23. veroniquem

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    At AO? Not a chance in hell. Fed would have needed a quasi miracle to edge out 1 set. Murray needed a 5th set vs Fed and Djoko's return/ground game is considerably better, so he's gonna need a perfect serving day. But that's hard to achieve because Djoko puts maximum pressure 100% of the time on the opponent's serve. To me it's a no brainer that Djoko is the favorite. Better surface than USO for his game and above all he's much fresher and let's be honest, the only reason Murray managed to grab USO is because he raced to a 2 set lead. The odds of that happening at AO vs a fresh Djoko are not that high. + Djoko is a mental juggernaut compared to Murray.
    That being said, I also agree that Murray is the only guy with a chance of beating Djoko at AO, so there couldn't be a better final. Bring the heat on guys and feel free to surprise us!!
     
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  24. winstonplum

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    Murray has also become a beast. He's freakin' huge.
     
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    Yeah he makes Djokovic look like a little twig and he is still just as fast as him (just not as flexible or agile). Murray has about 10 mph on Lance off the serve and even on groundstrokes he can definitely overpower him if he lays into his shots as we saw against Federer, the guy has become a BEAST in the offseason.
     
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  26. cc0509

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    +1.................
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
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    To be fair to Djokovic, his 1st serve is not exactly cake to return either and the quality of his second serves are far better and faster than Murray's on most occasions. And unlike Federer, djokovic will actually do more than just slice it back. Sure Murray can overpower Djokovic, but Djokovic can overpower Murray with the heat he generates of the ground as well. It is a very even battle.
     
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    lol, wut ? since when on earth did djokovic's returning become considerably better than murray's ? it never was ... they are on a very similar level there ....ground game, novak's was clearly better in the past, but murray's FH has improved quite a bit since last year and the gap has narrowed down ...
     
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    @ the thread, nope, not even close,

    he played worse in USO 2010, AO 2008, AO 2011 semis ...
     
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    agreed , 100% :)
     
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  32. *Sparkle*

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    There were a few too many UEs, and the second serve had its moments, but there was some great play, and it could easily be argued that he played as well as he needed to, same as the rest of the tournament.

    I'd still place Djokovic as favourite, but it's far from a done deal. Djokovic played great against Ferrer, but it's not entirely telling. The main thing was that he had a straightforward win, and didn't have another long match to add to his previous ones, so he'll be fully fresh and recovered for the final.

    Murray had the longer semi, and one less day to recover, but I don't see it as significant. It still wasn't a very long semi, and Andy was fresh as a daisy going into it, and it's early in the season, so there won't be any underlying fatigue to deal with. You could argue that it was good for Andy to get a more thorough work-out in the semis after such an uneventful path to them.
     
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  33. Dedans Penthouse

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    Let's not flatter ourselves. OK?




    Smooth :rolleyes:
     
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  34. Sentinel

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    I think you have things worse than your "bad knee" :D

    Chill dude, it's only a sport. Murray played great, he deserved to win, and it should be a great final.
     
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    So it's the Lance Bowl?
     
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    yeah right 60 UEs and extremely low % won on 2nd serve isn't bad.
     
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    Thank you Sentinel. Yeah, this should be a good match. So what if Murray was pushed against Federer? It's a completely different kind of match for him. His rallies with Federer were shorter and consisted of more slicing and outsmarting than defending most of the time. His match with Djokovic will be a battle of attrition and defensive prowess. Let's all just enjoy what's to come.
     
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    Don't get ahead of yourself. Firstly, I'm not sure everyone wants another 6 hr "epic." In some people's eyes that's an oxymoron. And epic is an extremely overused word in sports these days. And secondly, Murray-Djokovic can be a great match, but I'm not sure I would call it "better" than all the other combinations of matches.
     
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  39. Clarky21

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    I wouldn't call 6 hours of defending "epic", either. Last year's final was horrible, imo.

    And Tennisfan3 seems to be a bit confused. He was on here all throughout 2011 and some of last year talking about how Lance is unbeatable, that he does everything better than everyone else, and that he will be #1 for years and years to come. He then stopped posting and suddenly turns up again with a totally different opinion. It's weird.
     
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  40. Hitman

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    Yep. But, he's still very small compared to The Rock. Just sayin' :)

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    Now that Murray got his first major I don't care if he wins another.

    So going with option...."let them kill each other in a 10 hour match I won't bother to watch and leave the tour open".
     
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    And Federer isn't? Federer is the EPITOME of a fraud when it comes to classiness. He earned that reputation during the years when he was dominating the tour, but as soon as new threats came up, he showed his true, spoiled brat colors.

    See his comments after the Berdych loss at Wimbledon, Djoko loss in the US Open after he choked it away, etc. The guy is one of the most arrogant *****s in the league, but all his **** fans overlook that because "he's so godly at teh 10s bro"!
     
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    Lol...on cue and just as predicted. From yesterday's post on predicted excuses for losing:

    Fed loses:

    1. Didn't have sufficient time to recover from his epic 5 setter against Jo-Willy. Don't forget he's an old guy of 31!

    2. Didn't get sufficient night-time matches under his belt. Heck, rumour has it that he was actually made to play during the DAY in one of his earlier rounds!


    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7159121#post7159121

    *******s are so hilariously predictable!

    :)
     
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  44. always_crosscourt

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    A huge, beastly... pusher.

    Seriously, Djokovic would beat Murray in an arm wrestle, or a fight, or a weightlifting competition easily.
     
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  45. TennisFan3

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    Simple. Djokovic isn't playing as well as he did in 2011. And Murray definitely has improved. If Murray wins the AO final, it could have serious implications for the long term slam haul of both these players. Also I've been a little disappointed with Nadal, who's disappeared after Wimbledon for the longest injury layoff of his career. That is what's weird.
     
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    You are joking of course. You could push Djokovic over like a feather! :)
     
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  47. TennisFan3

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    I don't get how Djoko is stronger than Murray. Murray is taller and looks bigger IMO. Probably has more muscle. Although Djoko definitely has more stamina.
     
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  48. Clarky21

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    I think he's playing pretty close to his 2011 form. I also think he is going to dominate this year just like he has for the past 2. Nobody is even close to being on his level.

    As much as I would like to see Andy beat Lance in the AO final, it's just not going to happen. Lance is just so far ahead of everyone else that all he has to do to win titles is just show up.

    I am also disappointed that Nadal's career is over, but it is what is. He will never win anything else unless he starts playing challengers or some other low level tournaments. Everyone is just far too good for him to be able to make an impact anymore. Nadal never really won because he's talented anyway. He won due to his ability to chase everything down. He is the least talented of the top 4.
     
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  49. veroniquem

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    Yeah it's really striking how much Murray has beefed up. But tennis is not wrestling. There are other factors than a stout physique. (I think Murray has as much stamina as Djoko at this point).
     
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  50. TennisFan3

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    I'm not sure about that. Djoko is a FREAK of nature. He's fought back from death so many times, it's not even funny anymore. I've never seen anyone saving so many match points and just coming back and winning. Plus his SF and F in AO 2012 - was a physical feat. As impressive (or even more than) Nadal's 2009 AO.
     
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