lol @ Roddick "Commentating is the easiest job ever"

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  1. wy2sl0

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    Anyone else see him ripping them with Fowler after he brought up how passive Andy plays? (not directly, but thats what he meant and thats how Andy understood it)
     
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    Where's Brad Gilbert to talk :)razz:) some sense into Roddick :)
     
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    Yep I saw that, Andy was obviously annoyed with them but pulled it off in a tongue in cheek kinda way, but it was definitely an awkward and kind of tense exchange between him and Fowler. I can understand his frustration, but I can also understand why the analysts say what they say during the match, because its what everybody watching at home is saying too. But the reality of the situation is that Andy is the one on the court sweating it out while the analysts are watching from comfortable chairs in air conditioned booths Andy definitely wasnt feeling confident out there to go for big shots. He took a couple of big cuts on both the FH and BH during the match and netted most of them, missing wildly with the others. So he was doing the best he could to try and get through the match.
     
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    Chris Fowler was ambushed by Roddick.
    Roddick said as much as 'Anyone could come and be a TV analyst and talk crap all day'.
     
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    I guess I can see where he's coming from, but Roddick isn't exactly winning slams left and right. If he isn't always winning, there's obviously something he could improve on. Unless he just flat out admits that everyone else that beats him is flat out better than him and he can never beat them, he doesn't have much of an argument for him.
     
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    when and where did he say that? can you post the compltete conv?
     
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    Funny, yet cynical, and completely awkward when Roddick mentioned their lack of intelligence.
     
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    And he is right about it too.
     
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    More classless Roddick, reacting to insecurity with childlike anger. Would have been fine if he made a joke and let it go, but wouldn't let Fowler move on and got increasingly hostile, still acts like a spoiled teenager. I had to change the channel.
     
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    Fowler is a major tool. Yesterday he said something like: It is basically impossible to take a nap in economy class (they were talking about some player who traveled in economy class)......so I was told?! I mean, how stupid and unnecessary is that?
     
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    It was so not that bad guys.
     
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    Ok, here it is:

    "Tennis analyst is the easiest job in the world because whatever the person does, if it works you just say that's what's good, and if it doesn't work, you guys go, "He should have done the other things." So, you know, I'm pretty convinced that I could be a tennis analyst one day...it just doesn't take much thought...if I'm grinding and I'm winning, you guys are like, "He's reinvented himself." If I'm playing like crap and pushing, then, you know, "He's horrible and he needs to hit the ball." Everyone's an expert but I'm better than most of them, I believe."

    I agree with Andy. We like to listen to those analysts and get entertained at times. But that's what they do, it's just not possible to do it any other way. At least I havnt seen it yet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEFARVhg4Q&feature=player_embedded

    Bad voice, hardly audible.

    Haha... Fowler is the guy who picks on others, now he is like he is hunching and wants to disappear
     
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    That's Andy "anyone could come out and win a slam" Roddick for you ;)
     
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    I'm not a Roddick fan (see my sig) but he is SPOT ON about Chris Fowler in particular and a lot of other commentators.

    Did Chris Fowler even play tennis professionally? The guy acts like he is so knowledgeable about technique and the men's game. He is no Darren Cahill.

    I love that Andy did that. Love it!
     
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    I am with Roddick on this one topic.

    I didnt see any insecurity of child like anger. Andy basically gave it to Fowler. If Fowler cant take it, then he shouldnt poke holes at Andy.


    All said and done, Andy can do a decent commentary job atleast around Chris Fowler's range. Chris Fowler cant even come close to Andy in terms of how to play the game or what happens in locker room or what it is to stay on other side of the net of Roger/Rafa/novak/etc.
     
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    Good for him.

    Tell it like is in your head, specially if you are your own boss,
    the camera has no mercy on anybody, every move those athletes make these guys take under microscope, its only fair to get called on like this once in a while.
     
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    Apparently, Fowler loved it too!!

    from his twitter right after the interview:

    "LOVED @andyroddick fiestiness in post-win sit-down. "tennis analyst easiest job in the world." "Listen to what u guys say, do opposite."

    "And it is only fair that if our analysts question and criticize tactics, to let player use the forum for his rebuttal. Wish it happened more"
     
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    Roddick was trying to make generic, "I'm trying to find myself", "I'm happy with the win", etc., comments. Chris Fowler kept trying to provoke Roddick to talk about changing his game, and it was not until Fowler blatantly talked about how everyone wants him to change his game that Roddick got mad.
     
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    I hink what is meant by Roddick is that "it is easy for you to say things about me when you're not the one on court", I personally dislike people who go on and on about others without a full understanding of their situation as well.

    Roddick may be struggling but maybe he really can't help it. Just ask James Blake.
     
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    So why DOES he play like Wozniacki these days?? He used to be far more aggressive. It seems to me ever since he hired Stefanki & lost some wt he became more defensive which he will never be good at bcs he's just too slow. But maybe everybody knows that but him. Frustrating to watch.
     
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    Fowler is a Talking Head

    Hooray Roddick! About time someone put that scarcastic Chris Fowler in his place. Roddick called him out, because Fowler knows nothing about tennis. Only how to read the teleprompter.:evil:

    Annoyingly he talks non-stop. Then he talks all over the analysts when the former tennis players attempt to give us play-by-play. Always brings the negative and snide remarks. (Like laughing about the young Russian who played Serena Tuesday night, the fact that she had to fly coach, what the f---?) Plus I think he brings the quality down for those who are assigned to work alongside him.

    The only people who don't go along with his BS are Darren Cahill and Brad Gilbert. Darren makes THE BEST anchor. Gilbert remains silent when the scarcastic attacks start. And Darren takes the highroad.

    Who needs Fowler, ESPN go promote him somewhere else. Better assignment for him - the pig calling major tournament! He Stinks!
     
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    (Who really has the talent to win slams left-and-right? If Roddick used all the potential in his body he still probably wouldn't win any slams in this era and at his current age. And do people really think its easy to implement an aggressive tactic? It's easy to say 'don't be passive', but do you think its easy to do? For some players its psychologically impossible. And it's a million times harder than commentating obviously)
     
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    Exactly. I hate when people tell me that I should do this, do that. However, we all are accused of saying this to anyone else when we don't like what we see.
     
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    Roddick keeps sinking lower and lower. I honestly believe he may be trying to sabotage his own image so he can rise from the depths and be victorious once again a la Agassi. Problem is, he is such a mundane character that he can maintain no subtlety in acting out this scheme. He is a d-bag. Period.
     
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    (Who likes American commentators? They talk over the top of points, and talk far too much in between points, and ruin the game [barring the volume button]. Roddick just enhanced his image by 2-fold)
     
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    Roddick took some shots at the commentators, but it seems pretty clear that he's become frustrated with his lack of identity. Anyone can see it, but I doubt Roddick would want to be called out on it five minutes after a win.

    I get the sense that U.S. tennis players currently on the tour aren't really keen on talking to some of the retired players who are now analysts and commentators, and that's where Roddick may have been directing some of his resentment. Perhaps hearing that U.S. tennis is dead from them every day has something to do with it.

    Also, Chris Fowler is an everyday analyst. He's neutral, and like Mike Tirico, he's a glue that keeps the broadcasts running smoothly. They're fantastic at segues and keeping the show moving. Take them away and watch the former players fall apart.
     
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    I agree with Roddick's points but he comes across like such a d!ck! He could have addressed the question (i.e. his passive play) in a non-hostile way and still have made a point about the role of commentators. Instead he just lashes out like a child. He is way too thin-skinned. If you don't like being publicly criticized then go find another line of work. Commentators and analysts have a job to do and that includes constructive criticism of players. (Although I definitely agree with him that they tend to craft storylines depending on whether players are winning or losing.)

    Roddick is just an a-hole. And unlike Conners, McEnroe et al, he is not an entertaining a-hole.
     
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    Speakng about his attitude, I never really liked it. On court he often acts like a spoiled brat and off court he tries too hard to be funny.

    When I think about him I alwasy think about guys like Safin and Gulbis, who are the opposite. They have a temper on court but they are only mad at themselves. Off court they talk in a laid back, genuine but humorous way.
     
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    Fowler is a pompous piece of work and Tirico needs to stay with golf!
     
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    It's the commentators job to give their opinions about the players and their tactics, it's part and parcel with the sport. It is part of being a pro athlete in any sport, and if you are going to pay attention at all (which idk why one would) to what the commentators say one shouldn't take it personally or without proper perspective.

    In the case of Chris Fowler he is just parroting what he hears from the former players that he works with, it's not like he is the one coming up with the criticisms.

    Roddick is clearly insecure in his game and probably his career atm and he's letting the media :shock: get to him, it's weakness and a lack of self control.
     
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    Trautwig is even worse.
     
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    i think roddick is talking about the tennis warehouse posters too in addition to the tv analysts, who tell him to hit bigger
     
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    LOL, you gotta love Roddick. Honestly I'm glad to see someone finally took a shot at some of those talking heads.
     
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    So people get mad when players give standard, boring answers to every question. And they get mad when a player shows some personality with their answers.

    Tennis needs more personalities. But we have to be willing to take the personalities that we like with those that we don't.
     
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    (Exactly. And someone to keep the commentators on their toes. Are commentators not allowed to be contradicted by players now? Are commentators royalty? Hope Roddick has begun a trend where players judge the comments of 'experts'.

    Above all though, people need to realize that not everything we theorize can come to fruition. For reasons unseen by the observer [either psychological or physical], the player isn't always capable of executing the proposed style of play)
     
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    I think sock will take him out if rod dick keeps hitting those looping sitters.
     
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    I guess my take is differnt from some. Roddick is a Pro. Fowler is a journalist. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Fowler asking Roddick about retirement, losing more, the way he plays, and all other things that are just evident. On a good day, Roddick is really honest and a straight shooter...on most days, he is a defensive, sarcasticjerk to interviewers, same as he is to refs. Like he is talking down to them. What the hell does he think Fowler is going to ask him about? I get sick of the comentators just blowing smoke up the skirts of all the more famous pros and only being positive. I like the fact that Fowler is asking questions that are "real" and that most people who know tennis are wanting to hear the answers to. I mean, if I were interviewing him, I would certainly ask him about how he feels about not being ranked in the top 10 and how he plans to get back to that level, if he plans to, whatever....that is a real question and worthy of an answer...part of the gig bro, if you don't want to talk about your "tennis life" then just don't do interviews. I am an american and I will not root for Roddick to win any match I see him in...no matter how much money he gives to charities or whatever, the guy is a defensive, hawdy, jerk. Always has been, and he comes off that way most of the time...it his nature (at least on TV and on the court).

    Fish is a breath of fresh air...dude is honest and direct and I have yet to hear him be condescending in an interview...even when he loses. He does not talk "down" to people. Roddick comes off like he has no respect for Journalists or analists...I see no evidence of anything to indicate otherwise. He is like a child who can't take criticizm.

    Yes I am dyslexic and can't spell and don't have the spell check feature so relax.
     
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  38. Soianka

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    That interview was painful to watch.

    It's just so hard to watch Roddick talk down to people like that.

    I remember him berating a lineswoman once and although the words used were not foul, it was much worse IMO than when some of the other players have cursed the officials.

    He just has such an arrogance and attitude of thinking he is better and more important than the lowly peons he encounters.
     
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    A. Fowler is a tactless idiot who talks out of his @ss 99% of the time who barely even knows the game of tennis and should honestly keep his mouth shut most of the time.

    B. Fowler was right about Roddicks game.

    C. Roddick is a total d'bag who acts like a self entitled crybaby and really does need to change his game. Everyone in the entire world can see whats wrong with his game but HIM!

    D. Its hard to respect a player like Roddick who shows such disrespect for linesman, ball boys/girls, chair umpires, and even fans.
     
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    typical arrogant andy if i was fowler

    i would have said well atleast Andy I have hair and don't wear cap 24/7

    the way he worded it he was not only taking shot at fowler but also john and patrick

    McEnroe grand slams >>>> Roddick's fluke one grand slam
     
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    I wanna see McEnroe challenge prime Federer in slams.
     
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    (But why should a tennis player not be critical of a commentator? Commentators critique players [and point out their mistakes, not just technical mistakes, but behavioral mistakes - and that is rather offensive when taken on face-value] all the time.

    And again I raise the point that just because someone thinks Roddick SHOULD attack more..... it doesn't mean Roddick CAN attack more. Roddick may have tried everything to become a more attacking player, but he simply cannot execute it. Maybe the aggressive movements reduce his energy-level and are unsustainable [he is no spring-chicken].

    Or maybe [and I think this reason is more likely] psychologically Roddick cannot commit to playing the aggressive shots with enough conviction, so they result in error [and are therefore not a good idea].

    The commentators are very VERY stupid if they think Roddick hasn't tried to be more aggressive. Not everything is as simple as ticking a box)
     
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    So true, if you think you have the righ tto do it to others others can do it to you as well.
     
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    (Exactly! If a commentator has the right to critique a tennis player's performance, then a tennis player has the right to critique a commentator's performance.

    Plus I think commentators sometimes forget their role. They are there to analyze the tennis match, first and foremost. Analyzing a player's commitment to tennis, or training method/strategy and telling them they are doing the wrong thing with their career.... is going a bit too far. Especially when the commentator doesn't know for sure whether the player is capable of implementing the strategy, a strategy that player may have spent their whole career trying to implement)
     
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    Damn, what's wrong with me? I completely agree with }{[(Bullz1lla)}]) on this one.
     
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    First off, Andy doesn't know the difference between Anchor & Analyst. Fowler is considered an Anchor. Secondly, If you don't want to be analyzed by TV people? Which you're going to be on every televised match, then quit playing. Because they're damned sure not going to quit doing it.
     
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    What a surprise! Roddick is right (again). I love that he gives real, honest answers to questions and doesn't try to dance around issues being all P.C. and fake, you know, like Federer does. :p

    Fowler loved Andy's answer, btw, it must have been a breath of fresh air for him to get a sincere response from a tennis player for once.


    cbfowler LOVED @andyroddick fiestiness in post-win sit-down. "tennis analyst easiest job in the world." "Listen to what u guys say, do opposite."

    cbfowler And it is only fair that if our analysts question and criticize tactics, to let player use the forum for his rebuttal. Wish it happened more

    cbfowler @richarddeitsch I wasn't uncomfortable at all, RD. Knew Andy would take the opening I gave. Ignored a "throw to Break!" to ask last question

    cbfowler @MTAN151 lots of athletes and coaches share that view. That's OK. My job is to be fair and do what I can to make it compelling.

    cbfowler @moniquesourdif no, I do not realize that. Bias against Andy? You're joking, no?

    cbfowler @alexduff1 nah, I wasn't speechless. Figured he'd take the opening and he did. Wish we'd had more time.

    cbfowler @FergieFiTTeD funny, I hardly feel " destroyed!" I wasn't surprised AR took opening I gave. My job to make it compelling. Done.

    cbfowler @potatomaster I think u missed Andy's point, friend. It's the analysts he has an issue with, John in particular. J Mac can take it.


    VIDEO - Andy Roddick Lashes Out Against Tennis Analysts In Post-Match Interview
     
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    Andy is obviously ubber sensitive right now. He is done as a player though, if this is how he intends to play he's going to bounce out of the top 30 soon. He has no weapons beyond his serve. A good FH but too loopy and a 4.0 net game. Anyone also a little miffed at how Roddick doesn't even extend the racquet at the net against some tough shots? Becker would lay his body on the ground to get to volleys, Roddick just is like whatever, too far to stretch...

    Roddicks comments to Fowler were lame. Cahill and Gilbert and both Macs have been spot on. At the very least Cahill and Gilbert have been great coaches, funny how he dismisses the "analyst" community that way, and both Macs have been legit and JMac HOF players... Roddick gets a lot of criticism cause he deserves it.
     
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    Gilbert shoulda been in that chair would have ripped Andy a new one about the way he plays now.
     
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    Some players fade gracefully.

    Not Andy.

    He wants to remind us he is and was always an a-hole.
     
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