Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Doc Hollidae, May 30, 2007.
what about comparing mg vs. lm ???
I've been holding onto a couple of lm radical mp's, but just couldn't find my groove with them, mostly because of the weight. I'm interested in trying lead tape before giving up on them completely as I think they would be tons better with a static weight somewhere in the 12.1-12.3 range. So any suggestions on whats worked for you guys in terms of lead setups?
what is your ranking leevel ???
The Radical has gone through quite a change in its history. The TT Radical (Zebra) is a completely different racquet than the new MG Radical. The head shape is the same (string pattern), but the weight, balance and feel are polar opposites.
What string tensions work well for the radical pro?
I played with Titanium, Intelligence and now Flexpoint Radical. I enjoyed Titanium the most, probably because of different and unique balance and weight (lightweight with head light balance). I'm searching for right stick (the one that feels like Titanium Radical) since then... any suggestions?
I string my Radical Pro with Big Banger in the mid-50s.
Replacement for iradical
Have read all posts, and have a question for former and present irad intelligence users.
Have been playing with irad intelligence mp for 4-5 years now. Demoed the LM mp and FXP mp, neither of which I liked.
Which of the newer Microgel radicals, in your opinion, are closest in swingweight and stiffness to the irad intelligence.
Probably the Ti Radical although the Ti has a heavier swingweight. I have an i.Radical and recently I put on a CAP on it. I'm thinking about adding some lead on the handle to make up for the head heavy feel.
i tend to prefer a racquet which is very head light so i added a leather grip and put about 10g of lead in the handle. only brought the static weight to around 11.7-11.8oz, but it was much more whippy and felt a lot more stable on volleys. making it more headlight also made it a bit easier to hit with spin.
check tw's specs on the MG Radical. they may be near the same. lots of people seem to enjoy it.
Thanks for the suggestion. I actually contacted a racquet tech at TW, prior to posting. On paper, the microgel mp has a bit more flex than the irad, whereas the pro is quite a bit heavier.
I was looking for feedback from someone who actually has the irad and has demoed the microgel mp sticks for comparison. I really like the stiffness (about 62) and light swingweight (around 297) of the irad.
My problem is that if I break my favorite irad which has been discontinued, I am going to have to find another stick.
does anyone know the specs of the radical tour 260 OS? thanks
Were all the old radicals 18x20? Do they give ample spin?
i use the head radical tour 260 os. it is a 18x19. unless you are talking about the mp then that is 18x20. i think the os give a good amount of spin and really nice to hit those flat balls
Long time reader first time poster.
I agree that the radical tours are the greatest rackets ever produced. I am currently using the LM Radical tour and if you are a serious match player then you can't want anything more. It literally crushes the ball but at the same time it feels like all the power is being controlled by you. I never get the ball "flying" on me, the stringbed is so even with a huge sweetspot. Sure, there are rackets with more feel available, but you really do get all the feel you can ever need with none of the downsides of many of the "players" rackets.
Serving is ridiculously good with the radical tours, it feels like the ball is exploding off the stringbed, and the headlight balance allows so much whip on the second serve. I have never played with another racket with such good balance (I have wilson leather on mine). The combination of heft and manuoverability is perfect - it feels like the weight is in the shaft, not the butt like many rackets i've played.
Returns of serve are so solid I just don't feel like im ever going to miss. It doesn't seem to matter where on the bed I contact the ball its going back with depth and pace, and the bite you can get on the slice is up there with anything else. This racket truly does have no weaknesses if you are a hard hitting, relatively fit player. I have played a lot of rackets and the radical tours are head and shoulders above the rest. I just think a lot of good players bypass the radical line and opt for prestige or equivalent, thinking it would suit their game better. I think if you are dominating play, making all the strokes then this may be true, but if you are playing with someone crushing it at you then the rad tours will allow you to stick in a lot of rallies, whilst still giving you the confidence to hit out when you have the chance.
well, I just demoed a m-gel radical mid+ and I have fallen in love. Once I get used to playing with it, I'll most likely be joining your club. Best stick ever!
I <3 my radical
Picked up a couple zebras for free the other day. They were just sitting in a free racquets pile of stuff that had been left on the court. MINT condition. I had to put new grips and strings on them but man, they hit REALLY well.
I almost had to do a double take.:shock:
Have an Austrian Pro Tour 690 that I play with once in a while. Added sleeve and leather grip, about 365g strung (full poly). Just got a MG Radical Pro, strung with Lux Timo Touch at 53/56. lead in handle and leather grip, 359g currently. Trying to find a racquet that is slightly more powerful than my M Pro 1s. Jury is still out but not bad so far. Spin is exceptional. Feels firmer than the M Pro 1 but still very comfortable with poly mains. will have to play around further with lead/tension/strings......
had a 2 hour hitting session last night with the Radical Pro. well I think I succeeded in finding something that is just a hair more powerful than my M Pro 1s, with similar strings, weight, swingweight...etc. Definitely a little stiffer and has a crisper feel overall. Maybe it is psychological but 100 sq in vs. 98 sq in. seems to make a difference.......Forehand and backhand topspin (1hbh) were good, but backhand slice was unbelievable. the very open string pattern really does produce more spin for me. Nice firm feel on the slice, very low and deep as long as I do my part. That was the shot that was giving my hitting partner the most trouble all night. Very impressed so far. My aging M Pro 1s may have a successor.
would love to hear set up/strings from other Radical Pro users.
What strings are people using for their LM Radical MP, poly and synthetic/multi.
Racket is amazing, I still miss my LM Prestige MP as it was more flexible.
I am thinking of buying a stock PT 630 and just lead it up how I want to I get the flexibility I desire.
kirsch proline II 1.20 @56# (don't care for the color though)...also topspin cyber blue 17 same tension...a little lead and it's tennis nirvana!
This Racquet is intriguing to me. The only thing that is making me hesitate is that the MP is only 11ozs.
I play a Tfight 335. Baseline player with big strokes. It is tougher to find more 335s and Head will always be around.
Would I like the MP or Pro?
I played with the 335 16x20 as well for a short period of time. good racquet but liked my Fischers and now Radical Pro better. The Pro is a 16 mains stick as you know but the pattern is really open compared to the 335. I was worried at first about the control due to the open pattern and the 100" head but with poly that has proven to be unfounded. Very useable power and great control for me. I have never tried the Microgel 18 mains MP version but liked the LM version. If you are worried about the light weight of the MP there is always lead. My Pro is leaded up to 360g now (328g stock with strings). Try both the MP and Pro, good luck.
I have 2 LM Radicals which I like very much.
Does anyone know how much weight CAP grommets add?
In particular, I'm wondering about how they would affect the 315sw of the MG radical midplus.
I want to buy the stick a grip size small, 1/4, add leather and two overgrips>>> equates to roughly 15-18grams extra in the handle. Then, a CAP grommet to finish it off.
I like Proline II but it was simply too powerful in this frame, I liked the CyberFlash a lot
JC? How did you end-up liking the customized MG Rad Mid+? Did you get a chance to play with them yet? Upsides? Downsides? Very curious to know how the CAP's affected the swingweight.
I string my Radical Pro with Topsin Cyberflash and Head RIP Control at 60/60. I've also got 6 grams in the handle.
Well, I was looking for some feedback from JCtennis on his CAP'd and modified MG Radical Mid+. Then I read some of his old posts, he liked it so much, he sold it.
I took the liberty and ordered some MG prestige Mid+ CAP grommets from TW, along with some lead and leather and will be doing a full review of my experience with the 'juiced' up Radical.
I should have the review posted by saturday and it will be filled with pre and post specs. I will hit with it for an hour and then play a match with it-- a tournament match. Nothing big-- a local tourney (sponsored by NIH) that some co-workers and I signed up for.
I will put this 'rad' under the gun, right from the get-go (myself included).
Currently playing MG prestige mid's with 4grams under the CAP's at 3+9 o'clock. Don't know my NTRP. A majority of the time I don't have enough to consistently beat those who say they are above a 5.0, but am always finding myself on the better half of the score when up against the 4.0's.
Sounds very interesting Klementine79.
Happy to here succesful transitions from LM Rad MP, keep 'em coming...
Am thinking of DEMO of MG Rad Pro, or forthcoming Pro.
Need a little more pop and stability than my LM Rad MP against the heavier hitters.
Thanks racquetjunkie for this sort of detail " My Pro is leaded up to 360g now (328g stock with strings)" it helps! My LM Rad is 325 w lead.
you are welcome. hope that info is useful and good luck in your search . I am curious about the Pro series that's coming out as well. For your reference on how I got to 360g on my MG Rad Pro: 4g at 3 and 9, about 16g under the leather grip. Unstrung it is 337g as I measured it last night. So strings and overgip contribute about 23g. My next stringjob will be Lux M2 16L (m) and plain syn gut 17 (c).
The proposed new Rad Pro weight is shown here
So the 315 grams + 23 grams (strings/overgrip) would be 338 grams total.
TW has current MG Pro at 332 grams strung
So is the new Pro going to be heavier?
What unstrung weight is listed on the throat of the current MG Rad Pro?
FWIW, M2 is soft enough and powerful enough to play on its own without hybriding-I certainly wouldn't say it's anywhere near as stiff as alu. Just my 2 cents. In fact, it plays very much like a syn gut.
315g unstrung is what is listed on the MG Rad Pro. I think mine came in light by about 4 grams...oh well.
Yeah M2 is really soft for a co-poly (I assume that's what it is). I hybrid just cuz I am used to it and always string 2 sticks at once (1 set poly (M), 1 set syn gut (C)). I have it on my PS 6.0 95 and hit with it last night. Very low power at first (strung a little high for me) but got better and better. Very controllable power, good spin esp. on the BH slice. Good pocketing and crisp yet soft at the same time..... Cant wait to hit with it on my Rad Pro.
I've used the m2 twice and don't know if it is a co-poly. Lux says it's a multi-poly hybrid whatever that means. I liked it ok but never loved it. I string in the low to mid 50's and like to take big cuts at the ball and the m2 didn't let me do that like full BBO does but that's just personal preference
I'm glad you like it-I've got a set of the 1.25 M2 if you have any poly's to trade.
I just joined the TW community and would like to add that the LM Radical MP has been great so far. Looking to get another one soon.
I think the swing weight on the Ti Radical was 312 I believe and the current Microgel Radical is 315, but I WISH I could find more of these ive located 2 and I want to get a 3rd one but I just cant find it =/ makes me sad .
I've forgotten if the Ti Radical feels better or worse than the current Rad, any opinions?? And isnt the static weight 10.8 oz strung or something like that, if anyone owns one please tell me the specs of it I just cant seem to find them.
From what I'm reading, MG Radical Pro seems to be very GREAT frame. Did anyone have problems at the net with this frame?
It's rock solid at the net. I don't have much experience with previous Radical models but I've read that this is the best volleying Radical to date.
Current MG Rad MP is 10.4 or 295 grams it says on the throat.
I know what you mean about SW, little bits make a big diff!
Gee y'know given the MG Rad Pro's weight and head shape I just assumed it was a better basher from the baseline, or more oriented towards that, and it doesn't look to me like a s&v stick, but as I haven't tried it (waiting to demo) good to hear it's good at net. Heck the LM Rad wasn't bad at volley...
Can anyone compare Extreme pro to Rad Pro?
I had a 1hr hit with the extreme pro, compared to the Rad Pro it is the same static weight but has higher SW. I didn't much like the extreme pro, found it a bit of a beast, and too heavy for me.
Is the Rad Pro like that?
Odd that the extreme pro has a higher swingweight when it has the same static weight, headsize, and more headlight balance.
Shouldn't the rad pro should feel like even more of a beast being more head heavy?
I haven't hit with the Rad Pro hence my query.
But with the Extreme Pro, it has a different weight distribution (see the 3 changes in beam width along its length) whereas the Rad Pro is just all tapered. I think in that is the secret to the higher SW. Geez it took some oomph to get the Extreme Pro going. I accept there are plenty peeps who can, not me.
I always find that going to traditional HL specs, such as 6pts or 8pts, robs any frame of some giddy-up. It seems to add spin, and snaps back in my hand, however I just can't enough sting on the ball (prob technique).
The Rad Pro has a very similar power profile to my LM Rad (whereas the MG Rad is not the same at all!) and as I add lead to my LM Rad (to 325 grams) and I'm looking for just a little more power so that's why I'm looking at MG Rad Pro or the next Pro out.
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I've hit with both frames plenty. I think the Extreme Pro has a higher swingweight because of the thickness of the frame, the Rad Pro has a thinner beam. The Extreme Pro seems kind of big and clumsy even though it has the same static weight as the Rad Pro. The Rad Pro is less head light but in my opinion swings through the air quicker.
Mr Ripster, Rad Pro has tapered beam, next Rad Pro is going to be constant, wonder what that might mean for the SW and for the feel??
With the Extreme Pro and all that SW I hit a very accurate ball but it just lacked sting because I couldn't really fire it, bad speed was NOT my friend that session. It was nice to have all that stability that comes from the weight (compared to my LM Rad at 325g) however I couldn't get things firing.
Obv you got a better bat speed from the RadPro, that is good news indeed. Nothing I can do but demo the thing!
I just think the new Pro although it will have the same weight as the current it comes with a leather grip so that must mean underneath it is fundamentally lighter. I remember leading up a Yonex RDS001 MP to 338 and I think 8 pts HL and didn't much like that...
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