*** Long Live The Radicals ***

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  1. vsbabolat

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    Yes for the Radical Trisys 260 Oversize. The SMU made in China was for the Big Box Sporting goods stores and some online retailers in the U.S. There was NO SMU made in China for the Mid Plus.
     
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    Mine says "Designed by Head in Austria, made exclusively for Head in China" on a tag inside the racquet bag. The butt cap on mine says nothing about China, perhaps because it is worn.

    In any case, the graphite of the China 260 tryisys OS Radical Tour is probably similar to that of the Limited Edition? (ie, stiffer?)
     
  3. vsbabolat

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    It is very easy to tell if a Radical Trisys 260 is made in Austria. It will say "made in Austria" on the outside of the shaft of the frame.

    Here is a Photo by Gabs011 showing what a Made in Austria Radical Trisys 260 looks like.
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    HEAD was very proud of the fact that at that time ALL HEAD racquets were Made in Austria and wanted everybody to know. Now ONLY the Players on the ATP and WTA Tours get Made in Austria HEAD racquets. HEAD manufactures 50,000 racquets in Austria ONLY for the Players on the ATP and WTA Tours. HEAD is still manufacturing thousands of racquets like the Pro Tour 630, Prestige Classic 600, and Radical Trisys midplus ONLY for the Players on Tour.

    Since the Summer of 2005 HEAD has hired a OEM in China to manufacture ALL consumer racquets.
     
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  4. Fedace

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    ^^ Is this radical any good ? I am now trying the Microgel radical midplus racket and it feels pretty solid with very good head light balance on it. I think these rackets are far superior to old radicals. what is so good about old radicals anyway??
     
  5. drakulie

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    I can't speak about the microgels, as I have never hit with them, but the trisys is an exceptional racquet. Power, spin friendly, maneuveable, and exceptional control.
     
  6. Fedace

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    Is this superior to Liquidmattel radical ?
     
  7. vsbabolat

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    The Radical Trisys 260 is far superior to the Liquidmetal Radcial.
     
  8. drakulie

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    I would say a BIG YES. The liquid metal (in my opinion) was an absolute horrible frame. I liked the Ti, and I radical's much more.
     
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    How does it compare to the Liquidmetal Radical Tour? What are the specs for the Trisys 260 MP?
     
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    You are the guy I am looking for...that doesn't sound right...

    I have both the TI and I and I just bought the LM.

    Why LM is absolute horrible compare to them? Can you give more detail?
     
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    ^^^^ Mucat,

    This is compared to the Ti and i radical.

    The LM felt like I was swinging with a wet towel. It felt much heavier to swing and extremly cumbersome. The feel at contact/impact was extremely harsh/sluggish. The weight distribution of that racquet just felt "wrong". It was not as maneuverable, and I did not experience any control or power compared to the others. I honestly can't think of one thing I enjoyed about the experience with that frame.

    I know a lot of people enjoy the racquet, but for me, it is most-probably the worst racquet I have hit with in recent years.

    By the way, if memory serves>>> I hit with the OS version of teh LM>

    The Ti and i>> I have hit with both (OS and MP), and owned a couple i radicals (mid plus).
     
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    If it is so bad, then why did Agassi switch to it for so long ?? and i hit with Microgel radical today and it felt very solid, as good of a radical i have hit with in a long time. I say it is better than flexpoint radical for sure.
     
  14. drakulie

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    Hey freckles, you still have the zebra version available??? Not sure if it was you selling one?? Let me know. Thanks!
     
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    Perhaps he liked it better?? hmmmm :roll:

    Anyway, I highly doubt Agassi ever switched to the Ti, i, LM, flex point, etc. He was probably still hitting with the trisys.
     
  16. vsbabolat

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    Fedace, Agassi NEVER used the LiquidMetal Radical. The only Radical Agassi ever used is the Radical Trisys 260 Oversize. Agassi did experiment with a few other HEAD racquets. In 2003 U.S. Open Agassi used the Classic Midplus with a Liquidmetal Radical Paint Job. During the 2005 clay court season Agassi used the Liquidmetal Instinct. Also During the 2006 Stella Artois Championships on Grass Agassi used the Liquidmetal Instinct.

    Here are some Photos of Agassi with the Radical Trisys 260 with a Liquidmetal Paint Job. Look at the Grey Stripes.
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    Here is one with a Flexpoint Paint Job.
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    I have hit with the MicroGel Radical MP. I must say that it is a nice playing racquet. It reminds me of how HEAD racquets use to feel. When you put it on a RDC machine it comes out at 57 RA but on the court it feels much firmer very solid. The MicroGel Radical mp does NOT have that weird vibration buzz that the Liquidmetal and Flexpoint have. There is no vibration in the MicroGel Radical but does have nice feed back. What I did not like about the MicroGel Radical is the weight. I felt it was to light for me.
     
  17. vsbabolat

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    The Spec for the Radical Trisys 260 Mid Plus
    head size: 630 cm2 or 98 sq.in
    cross section: 20 mm
    Weight Unstrung: 11.4 oz.
    Balance Unstrung: 315 mm
     
  18. Fedace

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    ^^^These are very nice infor, but why does the Trisys have such high swingweigh and the new radical including Microgels have low swingweights ? Was this done on purpose by Head design team ? Maybe to leave room for tweaking ? and the new radical classic that TW sells weighs out at 12.1 oz not 11.4 oz
     
  19. vsbabolat

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    The specs I gave for the Radcial Trisys 260 Mid Plus is UNSTRUNG. The sepc for the Radical Classic that TW sell is for a STRUNG racquet. Therefore the Radical Trisys 260 Mid Plus like I posted before is 11.4 UNSTRUNG.
     
  20. Fedace

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    Why does Agassi go to such length to PJ the rackets he has to fool the public but Not Andy Murray, andy never PJ his rackets and everyone knows he is still using I series. and now he is supposedly switching to microgel radical from the ads from Head ??
     
  21. frekcles

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    I have the Zebra OS but first dibs goes to Doc Hollidae. If he passes on it then you'll be second.

    Doc, contact me - freckles_007@hotmail.com:D
     
  22. vsbabolat

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    Agassi does not go to such lengths to PJ. It is HEAD that goes to such lengths to PJ racquets. I hate to break it to you but Murray does not use a real i.Radical MP either. In this post http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1503931&postcount=23 explains what is going on with Murray's racquet.

    Also look at these posts.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1285528&postcount=9
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1219730&postcount=32
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1089062&postcount=4
     
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  23. Fedace

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    So he is still using I.prestige like Safin is ?? what about the news that he is switching to microgel radical ? and why such high swingweight ? no wonder he broke his wrist? what an idiot, rafa's frame is one of the lightest in the tour and he hits one of the heaviest balls in the tour. Can't andy get it that you don't have to have heavy swingweight to hit a heavy ball ?
     
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  25. drakulie

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    Yeah, let me know once you find out if Doc is interested.

    Here is my email: drakulie@aol.com
     
  26. vsbabolat

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    Safin is still using the Prestige Classic 600. I don't believe weight or swing weight had anything to do with Murray's injury.

    Sorry guys for hijacking this thread.
     
  27. frekcles

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    Will do Drak.

    Not at all. Isn't this thread about all the Radicals (set-ups, pros, cons, etc.)
     
  28. Doc Hollidae

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    frekcles go on and give Drakulie a first dibs on it. I'd only want to have it as my main playing racket, but the LE's are doing more than enough for the time being. Thanks though.
     
  29. phucng_10

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    Wow, loads of people use all the types of Radical. When I was somewhat a beginner, I thought it was a bad racquet for me. Not knowing it was 18x20, I threw the racquet to the side. :sad:
     
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    this eve I tried for the first time my NOS Rad Tour MP (98 model).
    I have to agree with those who praised that stick: it's really great, flexible, lots of control, found it very helpful on serve too.

    I have to adapt to the swingweight (I come from the PC600), I wish it was a bit more headlight.
    anyway, I plan to change the stock grip with a heavier leather one, in order to change a bit the balance and make it more headlight.

    I found it a bit similar to the wilson nblade, which I tested one month ago: almost the same great flexiness and feel, similar swingweight too.

    so...please count me in the radical club!!!
     
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  32. Doc Hollidae

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    Glad you've seen the light. Screw that Wilson garbage. N blades are Radical wannabe's. =P
     
  33. giolp

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    the '98 Radical Tour MP is pretty hard to find, while the '97 Zebra a bit easier.
    I've read that the 97 is a bit stiffer and heavier, is it true? is there any relevant difference is terms of weight and stiffness between the '97 and '98 Radicals?

    by the way, my 98 Rad Tour weighs 342 grams without overgrip
     
  34. Doc Hollidae

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    The 95/98 versions are the same racket with different cosmetics. Other than that they were the exact same.
     
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    Doc, just wanted to thank you for giving me dibs on the frame. I appreciate that!
     
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    Doc Hollidae,
    by 95/98 do you mean all the Radicals made from 95 to 98? or just the ones made just in 1995 and 1998?

    thanks in advance
     
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  37. Doc Hollidae

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    No prob Drak. Make good use of it. What the PS6.0 is to you, is what the Radical Twin Tube 97 OS is to me. =P
     
  38. Doc Hollidae

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    From 95-97, the Radical Twin Tube had the zebra cosmetics.
    From 98- the Ti. Radical, the same Radical Twin Tube was made, but with new cosmetics. The racket didn't change from 1995 to the Ti. Radical. Only the cosmetics.
     
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    ^^^ Gotcha.

    I love these older frames, and enjoy collecting them. The radical line is one of the few frames I have hit with over the years that were for the most part all very solid. The only bad experience I had was with the liquid metal. I've been hitting the trisys lately, and love it. Look forward to hitting the tour. With the tour, now that frekcles is seeling me his I will be able to hit with the mid plus and OS. I found someone to sell me a mid plus.

    I'll post my thought here.
     
  40. giolp

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    thanks Doc Hollidae,
    great news for me :)
     
  41. Doc Hollidae

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    Everything after the Ti. Radical went downhill. I've played with the Radical's all my life and have been disappointed with what they've become. The Limited Edition was great, but like Prince and the POG, Head needs to put the 97 Radical Tour back on the market.
     
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    Since, I am also a long time Radical user here are few words on that. Started 5 - 6 years ago with i.Radical OS and loved it from the start! Used to be strung at 67 lb with Intellistring most of the time (few tries with Intellitour 16 along the way). Then later on it felt that I just didn't have enough power to finish of my shots when needed so I started looking for something with similar control but more power.

    That resulted in FP Radical Tour, but my wrist didn't work well with that stick even though it was a nice one! I remember being able to create insane amount of spin on all of my shots, but sometimes it almost felt like there was too much of it and needed a bit more flatter shots. The problem with that was spraying balls just a bit too wide way more then it was acceptable so I ended up slowing my swing and that created even more errors along the way.

    The next hoop was with the LM Radical MP and that was pretty much what I was looking for. Pretty decent control and much more power then the i.Radical I used to hit with. It almost felt like something actually broke inside the i.Rad and made it to loose some of its features. Forehands with LM where really nice and I could place them pretty well with good pace. Backhand on the other hand lacked some depth and power and it wasn't as strong as the other side! Serving was pleasant but also lacked some more power on both slice and flat serves. Slice had a good bite, but lacked some dept so I would often find my self straggling to return the ball that landed in the middle of the court!

    The racquet that I am using right now is a Prokennex Redondo Mid and it is an improvement over the LM Radical. Much more stable and precise with a lot more heft to offer. Backhands are now my dream shots! Stick offers great precision and you can place the ball at will! Slice has lot more dept and rarely ends up in the middle of the court! Flat serves are now really strong and much more powerful compare to the LM. Forehands are good, but I can't swing as freely as I used to do it with the LM. The best part of the new stick is that it is much more comfortable to play with and my arm is much happier with it! It felt like LM would allow me to swing it in any way (even incorrectly) due to the lower weight, while Redondo keeps things in more orderly fashion!

    So, I might be ending my radical streak, but it will always be in my bag for the time to comes!!


    Fedja
     
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    I had both in my bag at one time....3 97's and 1 98. I found them nearly identical.

    Solid sticks, as I said before....I find 3 of em new all my other bats go on the big site.....

    tho I am really really loving the i prestige I got last month.
     
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    Agree....with one exception. I have an austrian L5 i radical mp. It is very sweet, I actually like it better than my ti radicals....and perhaps as much as the 630 tt tours. Need to do a side by side to be firm on that tho.....

    My main steeds currently are the i radical L5 and a newly acquired i prestige mp L6. I pretty much interchange the 2. I have 2 L4 china i radical that I can't hit out with and keep between the lines.

    Biggest surprise with the i prestige is it came freshly strung with pro hurricane 17 which I expected to hate being a huge natural gut guy. I love it.

    sooooo is there a prestige club around these parts anywheres?:)

    .
     
  45. drakulie

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    I agree, about the i radical. I really enjoyed that frame. However, the "L4" version of that frame did not feel as good, but did last longer. The "L5's" had problems with cracking at the throat. I broke a few. Once Head corrected this problem, they changed the stenciling for some reason to L4. Or was it the other way around? Can't remember exaclty. I know the first run was the one where I felt it played really sweet, and the second run (when they changed the stenciling) it changed the SW of the frame and I did not like it as much.
     
  46. hrstrat57

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    Drak I am really paranoid about the L5 austrian. As you know string breakage is nearly never on these things and it needs a string job badly. My stringer is the best in RI and I am still afraid to have it strung. I searched high and low for another and struck out. The L4 has way too much pop for me, tho I can dial em in and get through a match if I have to.

    Wish me luck, at least I now have the i prestige which is equally good, trust me. Have you tried one of those? It has blown me away it is sooooo good.

    I am just befuddled as to why head messed with these sticks and went liquidmetal/flexpoint. I don't get it. Change the paintjob for marketing but why mess with technology if it works?
     
  47. Doc Hollidae

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    This was the reason I didn't include it. I was about to switch from the Ti. to the i., but then my friend cracked 4 of them all at the throat. So I ended up sticking with the Ti.'s.
     
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    I have 2
    FXP Rad Tour and Agassi LM.

    Both strung with SPPP or SPPP Hextreme at around 56 pounds (I play around 55 to 57, sometimes going with 2 different tensions)
     
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    Try the Microgel radical it is the best ever radical
     
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    is the MG Radical MP L4 or L5 or L6?
     

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