*** Long Live The Radicals ***

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  1. vsbabolat

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    The MG Radical MP has a swing style rating of L4.
     
  2. Doc Hollidae

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    I was hitting with my friend last night and we're always talking about our string tensions. Well the conversation lead to him asking, "Have you ever considered playing with anything other than a Radical?" Without hesitation I answered, "Hell no."
     
  3. boatsign

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    Can you optimize weighting and strings on the trisys 260 and twin tube for serve and volley playing style? What would you recommend?

    With Agassi being more of a baseliner was this racquet more suited to swinging from the corners?

    Thanks, Charlie
     
  4. Anton

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    I second that, other radicals feel like cheap trash in comparrison.
     
  5. Doc Hollidae

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    I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess that you two have never played with the first two radicals.
     
  6. Fedace

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    I am going to take a guess and say you never hit with microgel radical.
     
  7. Doc Hollidae

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    My guess would be to start with softer strings at a high tension and some weighted to make it a little more head light. frekcles or drakulie might be able to help you better since they both have MP's. My set up of Kevlar Mains and Poly Crosses aren't ideal for a serve and volleyer lol. It volleys well enough for me, but nothing I want to spend a significant amount of time at the net with.
     
  8. TheOrangeRacquet

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    Hey have any of you guys played with the microgel radical and the radical pro? Wat are some differences in playbility and feel? And which one do u recomend?
     
  9. Doc Hollidae

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    I have not, but plan on demoing one so I'm reserving my comment about the best Radical until I do. But to say all were cheap trash, I think you'll find a lot of people that feel different about that. Until then the 1995 Radical will remain my choice as the best.
     
  10. Fedace

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    try it, microgel radical is best ever head racket, you will improve 1/2 level immediately.;)
     
  11. Doc Hollidae

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    Like I said I will try it, but from looking at the specs it going to be another lightweight tweener, but with more stability than the past two radicals. In terms of improving, the only thing thats going to raise my level of play is myself. I'm a 4.5-5.0 player regardless of the racket I play with.
     
  12. GRANITECHIEF

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    How could it have more stability with a lower static/swing weight and a softer flex?
     
  13. Doc Hollidae

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    It's speculation since the microgel technology is suppose to increase it's stability. The LM was very unstable imo, so I can only hope this is better. Realistically I don't see them being any where close to the first 2 radicals. Might be closer to a Ti. Radical which were lightweight, but still stable.
     
  14. Anton

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    I didn't notice any instability. Just blocking heavy balls is absolutely effortless, very solid comfy feeling.

    I usually like heavier frames and this one is really an exception to what I usually like.

    This one is not too light either - the one im demoing was 11.8 on scales with 16g strings and double overgrip (.4oz)
     
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  15. Anton

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    I dont know about that but you'll certainly be enjoying your tennis more.
     
  16. drakulie

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    No such racquet in existence>>>> but I like you enthusiasm.
     
  17. hrstrat57

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    I don't believe it....and I can't afford one right now so we'll never know
     
  18. Yonex.

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    yeaa looong live the Prestige racquets!!! woot woot woooot@!@.
     
  19. Yonex.

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    Never mind that, goo Yonex RDS 001!!! woot woot woooot@!@.woot woot woooot@!@.
     
  20. Simon Brown

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    Yonex - pah.

    Cool club. I have played with oversize Radicals since about 1994 and have owned:

    Bumblebee x 2
    Twin Tube
    iRadical x 2
    LM Radical x 2

    Still have them except for the Bumblebees, which eventually expired. Missed out on the Ti Radical and gradually became disappointed with the way the Radicals got lighter and lighter. Bit of lead on the LM Radicals helps but it's not the same.

    Eventually I bought a POG to try to find the old feel again and it's superb. I'm currently wondering (and trying to remember!) if the original bumblebee Radicals were better than POGs. Can anyone help with that?
     
  21. Anton

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    I will prolly switch from RDS001MP to MG Radical...once the prices go down a bit that is or I can get one used - $180 is too steep for me.

    the Rds is still a solid second choice of a racket for me but when I play with Radical it feels like a bio-mechanical extension of me, Rds is just a tool in my hand - a comfortable tool, but still not quite right.
     
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  22. cys19

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    Any Radical player here with a 1hbh? If so, what's the balance of your racquet if customized?
     
  23. Doc Hollidae

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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage.html?PCODE=AGRAD
     
  24. Simon Brown

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    Doc - don't think the review makes any direct comparison between the Agassi Radical and the POG. It says the Radical is better than the Fischer 105. Have you ever played with the POG?

    I suspect they're very similar but possibly the Radical has slightly more power?
     
  25. Doc Hollidae

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    I was just suggesting if you were looking for that old feeling, the LE is an adequate replacement. They won't feel the exact same, but it'll bring back memories.
     
  26. GRANITECHIEF

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    I have a one hander and i can rip winners with it, especially the running BH up the line passing shot that leaves the opponents jaw dropped. I play w/o any weighting and with a Poly polar (57 lbs) and syn gut, currently Eagnas Perfect Spin (59) hybrid.

    I've been demo ing prestiges and am probably going to experiment with a little weighting. I'm thinking a few grams at 3/9 in the hoop and about 10 grams in the grip and throat would be a good tweak. Kinda like the LM Radical Tour.
     
  27. frekcles

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    Still enjoying the Trisys 260 mp and the '95 Radical mp. But lately I've been tinkering with a Ti Radical mp for when the Trisys and '95 get too heavy. I removed the grommets and installed CAP grommets from an i.Prestige. Will get it strung with regular synthetic just to test it out. Any suggestions for tension? I know these are very low powered so how do I raise the power level a bit?

    Thanks for suggestions.
     
  28. Doc Hollidae

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    Steroids, weights, and raw eggs.
     
  29. cys19

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    Which Radical do you play with?
     
  30. GRANITECHIEF

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    Hey Doc, you can add me to the list. It's been about 2 months since I bought my LM Radical MP. I love it a lot, it's improved my game a good amount.
     
  32. Doc Hollidae

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    Done. Where's Inland Empire? I wanna live in an empire......

    If anyone wants to be added and hasn't just let me know
     
  33. HLM2

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    Add me up if not done already.

    No comments of the generations of radicals pics?
     
  35. GRANITECHIEF

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    All mine except for the MicroGel which is a demo.

    The Irad was my least favorite of all the generations shown. It just didn't feel like a radical to me and i suspect that its because it wasn't the twintube construction.

    Not that its a bad stick, just not the feel i was looking for.
     
  36. Doc Hollidae

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    The 98 Radical Tour brought a smile to my face. The Ti.Radical brought back memories. The i.Radical I wondered why it hasn't cracked at the throat yet. I cringed at seeing the LM and the FXP I could care less for. The Microgel kind of reminds me of the old school radical graphics, but missing the yellow which they gave to the Extreme.

    I'll post my three LE's and my '95 OS XL later. I have 3 LM's, but they sit in the corner while the LE's get to play. =P
     
  37. Anton

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    Theres a huge difference between the Hydrosorb (flexpoint and above) vs. the old hydrocontrol grips on the liquidmetals. I cant use the hydrocontrol ones at all. Anyone agree?

    Where can i get a midplus austrian radical? any year or model really. Just wanna try one, all the ones iv seen are OS. I wish somehow the LE came in midplus size...
     
  39. Doc Hollidae

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    That's because OS's are awesome.

    BTW any radical members live in Northern California?
     
  40. drakulie

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    Had a hit with the tour mid plus Radical (zebra) today. I had never hit with this radical. Is it just me or is that frame have a significantly heavier swing weight than the trisys?? It also seemd to be a bit more head heavy, and less maneuverable. I did not take out my trisys mid plus. In retrospect, I wish I would have so I could make a better comparison.
     
  41. Doc Hollidae

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    I think frekcles could probably help you. He has both I believe.
     
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    I have never hit a trisys orig radical midplus I am ashamed to admit. The Twintube tour 630 radical 1995-1998 is a monster. Wicked hot sweet spot and I found plenty of power for an L5. I switched to that frame from the PSC 6.1 about 10 years ago and it jumpstarted my game huge. Of course I lost some spin on my serve but found equally accurate placement and huge groundies. It is just a rock solid tank.

    I loved that frame....dunno why I switched to the ti radical...the marketing hype got me I guess....tho the ti radical is also a fine frame IMHO.

    The performance I am getting from my new iprestige mid plus is reminding me of the tt tour 630....I need to snag one of the tt back from my doubles partner for a refresher hit.

    Give it a chance....you might fall in love with that frame. The wild graphics on the 98 are up there with my all time fav look too.....
     
  43. GRANITECHIEF

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    Undecided, have to try the MG Radical Pro still. I like the MG Rad MP but it definitely needs a little more weight. Plus, having to throw down the cash for a triplet of new sticks doesn't sound all that fun, especially when i pretty happy with my ball at the moment.
     
  44. frekcles

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    The zebra is heavier but not by a lot. It does feel head heavy and sluggish. But if you get used to it, it's very buttery - more than the trisys. I alternate between the Trisys and the zebra and so far cannot make up my mind as to which one to stick to.
     
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    It's the name for the area in Southern California. It's not near the coast, but about 2-3 hours more inland, thus the name "Inland". I'm not sure why they gave it the name "Inland Empire" though. :confused:
     
  46. Fedace

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    Try the regular Midplus radical, far better racket. I put this in the hall of Fame with yonex RDS 001 midplus, and Dunlop Aerogel 300. ;)
     
  47. TheOrangeRacquet

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    Hey You guys what do u recomend? Microgel Radical MP or Pro?
     
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    I have both i Rad OS and ti Rad OS. I have been playing with them for a few years stock (with some protection tape at the top and overgrip). Just this year, I added 6g to the throat of both rackets, slight higher on the tiRad (since it is lighter) and bottom of the throat for the iRad, they are both sitting at 11.85 oz right now. I only add to the throat because I really like the balance of both rackets, so I just want to add a little weight without changing much. So far, I like them a lot. They are much more stable hitting volley.
     
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    Same, I had to put a overgrip on mine after playing with it a while. My hands don't sweat so my hand gets really dry and I just don't like the feel of the HydroControl grips.
     
  50. jdelcue

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    I've been trying to get out to the courts and get familiarized with all the motions and physics of the game as often as I can. Just starting out...

    Someone advised me to pick up a racquet that would "help your game along" and "give you power". I ended up with a Head Flexpoint 6 (w/ Intellistring). Well, I quickly got frustrated with that racquet...

    Didn't really dig the head-heavy feeling, although I think I liked the string. Not sure what the heck made me buy it in the first place...usually not the kind of guy who likes the idea of utilizing "technology" or equipment of any kind to make MY game. I'm quite the opposite -- I tend to be pretty traditional with most anything and really enjoy maintaining the purity of sports (or, again, anything) and like to play (and whoop ass on others) with the "not so flashy" or "high-tech" stuff in my hands. I think it may have been because I was warned about tennis elbow, and I didn't know what the heck that was, but the FP6 was supposed to prevent it or somethin', I dunno...

    Regardless, a buddy tennis player of mine from college said to "leave that racquet alone," so I gave it to my 47 year old dad to play with (he likes it, but he's about as much of an accomplished tennis player as I am lol -- pretty sure what he likes most is that I gave it to him). Same friend gave me one of his LiquidMetal Radical OS (he uses the MP), so that's what I've been playing with and trying to learn with since. It came to me strung with Head FiberGel Perfect Power 16 (and a couple pieces of Babolat lead tape under the wrap; each piece cut from dot to dot to include one "Babolat" text on it -- any idea how much weight that is?). Since then, all I've done is add a Head XtremeSoft overgrip and a Wilson Pro overgrip on top of that and replace the Head button logo vibration dampener that was missing on the two middle mains...

    One thing I know for sure is that I prefer head light to head heavy, and this racquet feels altogether better to me. No surprise, I'm sure...

    But I seem to hear nothing but bad things about it on here. Granted, you're comparing it to what you state are some of the best players racquets of all-time -- the original Radicals and a few of its offspring (with diminishing returns). Nonetheless...

    Just wondering what your opinions are on this racquet as a starting point for me? I would be very interested in picking up a more traditional, heavier players racquet (hopefully a Radical) with time, but not sure I'm ready for that yet...?


    I will say that I have sometimes had some trouble with this racquet spinning in my hand on returning harder shots, and that sometimes the frame sounds a little "hollow" or cheapish or something, I'm not sure...but it just doesn't feel exactly as solid as I'd like it to. I hear a heavier racquet tends to feel more solid and eliminate that issue, but I'm a pretty small guy without a ton of muscle (although I'm working on that specifically because I want to increase my level of comfort on the court and with my racquet), and I fear using those 12oz+ racquets...am I right to be weary?


    Aside from the general, I'm also specifically looking for some opinions on:

    - Weight (overall and distribution of; figure maybe I could tweak a bit to help with that lacking solid feeling, but not take away from the head light feeling somehow?)
    - String (should I be using something else?)

    I know this sort of thing probably belongs in another category or thread, but I figure who better about setup on my LM Rad OS than the Radical Club! :-D


    (and I apologize for the length of the post!)



    Thanks,
    - Joaquin.
     
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