Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Vicious Vik, Oct 9, 2011.
Doesn't matter, this will all be gone tomorrow.
Hopefully not all of it
I hope the whole thread isn't gone because there should be a thread to legitimately discuss Texas tennis.
Clemson and Texas fan?
Agree, just the crude garbage that started in the last few days.
Not a Texas fan but I sorta like the Longhorns. I just think a program of their caliber should have their own thread.
I hadn't read it. it hurt my eyes
I have high expectations for Texas. We have the largest budget and that should absolutely mean more wins. Best facilities is what the recruits want. Please don't include Baylor in that list you just made, it's laughable. The "We are Texas" should be the determiner of bringing in top guys. But Center can't see that.
What a load of rubbish this is. You act like Texas is the only school in the country that has these requirements for international and American recruits. Other schools can go get guys here at Texas we have rules! How ridiculous. Center knows the rules as does every other coach. How can other coaches recruit great despite these rules while Center cannot. You are phrasing this like Texas is Rice or something and should be struggling to get athletes and that actually Center is doing a great job because of this! We are the LONGHORNS!!
Let me ask you something. Should the University of Texas be ranked below Vanderbilt? South Carolina? Mississippi State? Those schools have no history and have nothing there yet there coaches are able to get people to come. We have truly slipped as an athletic program is we are now conceding that athletes don't want to come here and let them run off to some other school in the boonies. Unacceptable attitude, but unfortunately it persists because of people like you.
I am extremely knowledgeable. I have a blood relation to on of Texas's current players and I get the inside scoop on the team much of which I do not share here but believe it is isn't good. I know the sport of tennis very well and I could have played on the pro tour had it not been that I am far better at other things in life. I am probably the best tennis analyst and understander of the game on this forum.
Seriously? Why don't you bless us with some of your knowledge and insights? I have learned a lot on these boards from various posters. All I have learned from you is that you are disappointed with the performance of the Texas men's tennis program, because I have never seen you make any posts other than to vent your emotions. Which insightful posts have I missed? Can you provide links to them?
Vik, as an alum of the University of Texas...
To Vicious Vik
First of all, you are insane if you think biggest budget means more wins. Have you ever seen the facilities at Baylor, UCLA, USC, Georgia, Tulsa, Oklahoma, or a number of others? Their facilities are exactly the same; some are nicer in certain regards. So that ruins that argument. Do you really not think that other coaches say, “We are Georgia” or “We are USC”? If you don’t, you are just wrong. All of the budget and facilities are basically the same across all those programs, so you haven’t seen those places or are just being bias.
Coach Center can recruit whomever he wants. Everyone has the freedom to technically recruit players. But this is exactly my point about you really not knowing anything about Texas and college tennis. Texas absolutely has a different, stricter, set of guidelines that recruits must meet in order for Texas to accept them into school. However, the institutional restrictions and standards that Texas requires for students to enter or transfer are much stricter. Meaning that an international student has to have higher TOFL scores to get in to Texas than UCLA, USC, Baylor, Oklahoma, and a lot of other schools. The same goes for SAT scores and general grades on a transcript. Furthermore Texas can’t bring in players that have to sit a semester because of eligibility issues or a year-it against the rules of the University. And, Texas doesn’t accept a lot of credits and transcripts that come from most home schools. So while you worship all of these great recruits, you neglect how much of an issue academics can be. If you would like to name some recruits specifically, I’ll answer questions about them-instead of you making arbitrary claims. If you don’t believe all these rules, go ask your blood relative who gives you all the insider information, he will tell you the same thing. For whatever reason, a lot of schools have fewer restrictions than Texas does. And, I never said Texas should struggle to get recruits, as it is an unbelievable place with a lot of resources. I mean you are crying because for two years Texas hasn’t consistently been in the top 10. Generally speaking Texas doesn’t have that tough of a time recruiting. I’m just pointing out things in place that can make it difficult to recruit high-level players. You would know these things if you were as informed as you claim.
More to Vicious Vik
I don’t think Texas should be ranked below those teams, but remember your history lesson you got before. While only top 20 is low for Texas, Texas doesn’t really have a longstanding history of always being top 5. The only reason you can even say that is because of the run Center put together from roughly 2007-2010. Teams like Mississippi State are almost all foreigners, and that school has less institutional restrictions than Texas. Vanderbilt got 3 of their best players their because they know the coach well/have friends on the team. Also, some of the kids at South Carolina and Vanderbilt may have needed more money, or wanted to stay near home. Give a specific example of a player or players you would like to be at Texas. And please stop with your arbitrary claims that people are conceding letting recruits go-Texas is not doing that, and neither am I. Us fans are frustrated, and I’m sure the players, coaches, and everyone involved with the program are frustrated about the recent results. Nobody is saying you can’t hold Texas to a high standard. But, you are criticizing how the program is run, talking about firing coaches, and talking trash about players. Every one of your posts is a random arbitrary comment about the frustration you have with the program. There are no specific, real examples of things you dislike; it’s all random fluff. Like ClarkC said, all you are doing is venting, which is fine but its all general-you never say anything specific.
And finally, nobody in this forum believes you turned down the opportunity to be a pro tennis player or that you are related to anyone on the team. Talk about a specific issue, not arbitrary frustration with generalized comments. I’m with ClarkC-show us some concrete links to posts that are insightful and specific, as well as your illustrious tennis career. Maybe tell us your blood relative on the team, too.
Looks like the team is back tonight. Might be you that are related to Vik.
What are you talking about? I'm not related to vicious vik.
OK tennisfan136. Why do you have multiple aliases? What are you hiding?
Uh not hiding. Vicious vik banned the tennisfan136 account. Not sure why, but he probably assumed that account was the same as the ones posting about wwe and all that stuff. I'm just on here talking about tennis. Just slow down with this "what are you hiding" stuff. Everything is fine. Feel free to talk about tennis andfor
Thanks for clearing it up.
VV - Not everybody wants to go to a big school or to Texas. Texas is doing a better job recruiting than you think. Goldhoff was heavily recruited by quite a few schools and still chose Texas, that should tell you something. Even though Goldhoff is listed as CA on tennisrecruiting everybody still considers him a TX player. So you got the #1 player from TX and the next 2 haven't decided on a school yet, so there is a decent chance you may get 1 or both of them, too. Consider yourself lucky that Coach Center hasn't gone the way of some coaches and just recruit foreign players.
why should I be thankful for that? I am originally foreign!
Yea. That's redicilous. There are so many mid major and small D1 programs. Without internationals college tennis would quality would be limited to about 10 schools. Even then the biggest and tradition rich still get the best recruits today and it does not matter where they come from.
How can you say Vanderbilt's coach has a direct connection with the three best players. The only person who has even the slightest connection is Ryan Lipman who is from Nashville. His mother went to Vanderbilt and played tennis there. Maxx his younger chose to go to Florida. This is an inaccurate statement. Obviously kids want to have a better education than what state schools can offer such as Texas, South Carolina, etc. For instance Texas did not recruit Andrew Adams who has been a solid #2 for South Carolina. To say Texas should be much better than these schools is just not a correct statement. Ten years ago Vanderbilt made it to the NCAA finals and lost 4-3 in a three set battle. A year later they had a new head coach who has taught at just about every level. Along with an assistant coach who has been there for three years now that has won two national championships. They have been rebuilding and now that they are a team to reckon with does not mean "OH TEXAS SHOULD BE BETTER." Just an inaccurate comment.
I agree with thebobshow, but my comment was about being close with both coaches OR having good friends on the team. Overall I agree, there are plenty of good reasons to go to Vanderbilt and I generally agree with thebobshows assessment.
Vicious vik also doesn't need to be thankful for center recruiting a fair amount of Americans because he turned down the opportunity to be a pro, so none of that really applied to him in his tennis career
They had a recruiting class ranked #1 in the country two years ago that had six people!....this should be no surprise even though one person did leave their recruiting class and Blake Bazarnik transferring to Illinois. Every team might know a kid from juniors doesn't mean they are friends. To say that they knew the following year's recruiting class with two foreigners and Yee is also probably very unlikely. Its about recruiting. You do a good job and sell your school, you will get the kid. thats it
Back in my home country I used to play against a former #1 for Washington Huskies (recently) who is now top 500 in the world. I beat him 3 times in a match before(once 6-2 6-3) and he beat me once and that day I was sick. I could have been a pro.
I'm agreeing with you about Vanderbilt. They recruit well. A lot of those guys in like the 2011 and 2012 classes knew each other pretty well from juniors and the head coach is well known, and Jamie hunt-the assistant- is really well liked as well. Overall I'm totally agreeing with you, they recruit well. I was just pointing out a side note that those kids knew each other fairly well, people like Offerdahl, Austin, bazarnik (who transferred), eswaran, and a couple others all kind of knew each other so they were comfortable with the people going in there. Friends might have been over the top but those kids were very knowledgeable of one another and clearly comfortable with each other. Just pointing out a side note, I agree Vanderbilt does a good job with their program
In what tournament did u beat jeevan two and three?
And how old were you when this happened vicious vik?
Now I'm assuming the blood relative who feeds you inside information is Sudanwa. You must be pretty close with somdev and sanam too
Pretty insane that you played jeevan (who is pretty old now-like 24) regularly in juniors, beat him consistently, are related to Sudanwa (showing serious ties to India), and still have ur self proclaimed extensive knowledge of the history of college tennis and its inner workings (even tho most international athletes-particularly potential pros know very little about) as well as are still young enough to warn us all about Ben Chen and be able to accurately comment, not just reciting tennisrecruiting and itatennis) specifically on the skills and abilities of young Americans that are born in 1993 (despite being an older international pro tennis player)
I agree with Vik here, Texas has too much in the way of resources, they should be top 5 or top 10 in tennis at worst
OMG we got slaughtered. I feel like a Rice fan.
OU is very good. Plus they played in Norman. If they had played inside there is might have been worse. You should be happy for that doubles point.
Vik you should have played for the longhorns!
There's always an excuse it seems.
What's the excuse?
Maybe they played earlier in the year. Don't see Texas at this time getting more than 3 points on their bast day from OU, even in Austin.
Well if you were a Rice fan, you could use the academics excuse....actually you can still use that excuse vs. OU....
hey Vik, do you think with your superior set of tennis knowledge and skills, you could have won Wimbledon?
i think you should probably be banned for that profile name, but it did give me a pretty good laugh
and to think, the next generation won't understand why that's funny, deprived kids
College Station 95% chance where we get placed.
also did anyone see than Jeevan beat the world #207?
nowhere for A&M to hide now. Can't not schedule us for Laredo college or something like they like to do.
Can't wait to see Adams get routed.
By who? Nick or Andrew? Out of all the current Longhorn Team those two have the best chance, but it's not very likely....Harrison Adams is just better.
Does anyone have any info on Clement Homs? Is this a top signee?
Is this some kind of blinders on thing where you can only see American players? Why would Andrew be able to beat him, he hasn't played singles all year. Ever heard of a guy named Soren or Sudanwa or Lloyd?
Yep, heard of them, seen them play, and no they aren't as talented as Adams.
I'll be at College Station on Friday for their expected match...will you be there as well?
This Vicious Vik character is sullying my good name
There can only be 1 Vik. A&M versus Texas. A&M wins you stop posting. Texas wins, I'll stop posting. Deal?
I don't understand why they don't put Alex Hilliard in the lineup. undefeated in career dual matches! 6-4, weighs 190. I think he should atleast be in the top 3!
I'm sure Center just hasn't figured that out yet. Just ask V-Vik.
No deal honcho
Maybe. I will try to get someone to cover the business while I leave. I need a day off.
Hilliard cannot hit more than 3 balls in a row in the court.
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