Looking for ambitious tennis partner(s)

Discussion in 'Tennis Travel' started by peoplespeace, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. salsainglesa

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    hey peoplespeace if you are ever in mexico give me a call.. I play open tourneys here and would love to help and train... its a great plan
     
  2. peoplespeace

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    hey salsainglesa, sounds great! this time around it might be a bit too late as i have to be back in denmark in 3 months time and have plans for the next 3 weeks, but would have loved to :) where r u from in mexico? Too bad flights are so expensive in the americas, if a return flight was 500 usd id be the in a heartbeat but i think its more than 1500 usd return from buenos aires or santiago and im flying out of buenos aires around 1 may. But next time i take a year off id love to go to mexico. Cheers mate!

    Big bang, i congratulate u on ur level and hope u are still enjoying the game. Div 1 which is the second best div in denmark (unless u mean elite div) is a very good level but not good enough to get atp points as u correctly state. Currently only 5 danes have future quality and 4 of them struggle to get just a few points.

    So ur talent took u where it took u, maybe to no. 50 in denmark when u were best, but u cannot just assume that ur talent and mine are the same right!? Maybe just maybe im more talented than u but i admit that saying that i can reach 1round future level is a long shot, but honestly i do believe it. If ur from the copenhagen area lets play this summer if u like, are u playing any category 2 tournaments this summer?
     
  3. eliza

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    Too bad my level is toooooo low....Good luck, enjoy your path!
    Looks like Florida and California are the best in the US, in Europe I would go to Barcelona and Rome.........
     
  4. big bang

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    I played Div1 before they called it elite div. When I play tournaments its category 1, I will probably play a few this summer if I feel like it. If you wanna play just shoot me a mail then.
     
  5. peoplespeace

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    tx eliza and good luck to u2 (did u buy those dubbells yet? ;) I guess i better go to Rome then as ive already been to the other 3 places!

    Big bang, well congratulations once again on that even higher level then :) ill definitely shoot u that mail when im back in may, cheers mate!
     
  6. goober

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    Wow just wow.

    5 months later still no video, but still making astounding posts! Don Quixote of the TW forums!

    Ponder this- the vast majority of former pros say ranked 700-1400 range would have a very difficult time winning in the main draw of a futures event at age 41. At their peak they were just squeaking by in futures events and 20 years later they ain't doing it. Oh yes , but I forgot your talent may be greater and after only 2 years of playing tennis you have not begun to tap the vast reserves of talent !
     
  7. peoplespeace

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGcRSvI8g9A here it is, it has been a long time on another thread.

    And yes ofcourse former "pros" who were ranked 700-1400 20 yrs ago cannot compete against current players of the same rank, not so much because of fittness but development of the game. For that same reason that Mcenroe who is physically fit but would be crushed by most currently ranked 700.

    And what u said about talent may just be correct.......
     
  8. eliza

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    Yes, Sir, working hard, plyometrics and all......Have fun, BON VOYAGE!!!
     
  9. eliza

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    You touch a nice point, that I am trying to develop. Tennis has evolved, and evolving, equipment, training etc.
    I read both McEnroe and Navratilova, and they state something similar: you have to grow and change your technique, fitness is the foundation only.
    It is very interesting to me, and hope I can grow my technique, but I think there are no many Pros who can teach this...............
     
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    Not to take anything away from you or act like a jerk. But you are not anywhere near the level you that you think you are sorry. Its ok if you only played 2 years, but to be realistic you are an average clubplayer. You should be able to compete in category 3 tournaments in Denmark and do ok, maybe go a round or two in category 2 with a good draw. You suffer from lack of movement/footwork, timing is not good and you have a problem handling low balls. Again if you only played 2 years its pretty good, but your goal is not going to happen, sorry mate!
    I actually saw this video in another thread without knowing it was you, if I knew I seriously wouldnt have agreed to play, and Im not saying that to sound like a snob or to put you down, but I dont have much time for tennis so when I play I want it to be competitive.
    I think its a cool adventure you got going there, I would love to do the same, but I have 2 kids and works like 45-50 hours a week so its not gonna happen. Take it for what it is, a once in a lifetime adventure, have fun play the best players you can and learn a bunch of stuff. But as I said in my first post, you cant reach the level you wish when staring at nearly 40. Most guys on tour started at 4-9 years old, very few started later than that and theres a reason because no matter how much natural talent you are born with you wil have to train for many many years to evolve and forfill your talent. If Fed, Rafa or any other top player had started at your age they would probably be around your level. Tennis is about perfection and to achieve that perfection you have to start very young and train for hours every day, you cant take a short cut and expect to learn what took other very talented guys 15-20 years in 2 years.

    I admire your courage and initiative to go on this journey of yours, have fun and good luck with everything.
     
  11. goober

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    Thank you for the video. You look pretty good for playing for 2 years. You look like you are in good shape and fairly athletic. Your tennis level is very far away from what is your goal. Your first 3 FH went into the net/ground. You should keep up the tennis and try to be the best you can be. Just stop talking about being in futures events until you are actually in a position to play in one.:)
     
  12. eliza

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    Well, what do you expect from a BIG BANG? :)
    Why, this person can be truly gifted (sorry no time now to watch) and got the best coach/training in the world.....Be nice...
     
  13. danno123

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    You're obviously very fit and would probably soundly beat me in tennis (especially on clay because I've never played on clay). But if you don't mind some internet advice, take a look at the backhands you hit at 2:40, 3:55 and 4:11. Every one one of them was a fairly short ball hit to your backhand and you could have moved forward to hit them yet you backed up to hit the ball. Moving back like that has some bad effects because: (1) the ball is lower and harder to hit with topspin; (2) you don't have as much angle to work with; (3) you give your opponent more time to react to your ball because you're hitting from so deep in the court; (4) you're out of position and susceptible to a drop shot to your forehand side; (5) the habit of moving back encourages players to hit off the back foot and not transfer their weight forward when hitting (take a look at the backhand at 4:11, for example - you're leaning backwards while hitting that shot with your forward foot completely off the ground). You might want to consider working on moving forward on a short backhand ball. (I am not a professional tennis coach, so you are right to be skeptical of my advice).

    I wish you the best of luck on your quest. I wish I had the time and money to do something like that but it will never happen.
     
  14. Devilito

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    You’re making one mistake that a lot of jacked stronger guys make. You muscle the ball. It’s hard not to do when you move the racquet around so easily but try and let up on your grip and bit and work on the fluidity of your strokes. Strength helps a lot but try and focus on not muscling the ball because it produces a stiff, inconsistent shot and poor footwork. Use your strength to improve your racquet head acceleration especially on your backhand side. Also take smaller steps when you move around. Be light on your feet. Your footwork right now is like a bull in a china shop. You’re in great shape and play well for only having been playing 2 years. Keep it up and keep improving. Good luck.
     
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    No comments on level and goal...I haven't read the whole thread...just the first post. This thread just popped up under Active Topics so I took a look.

    My only comment is why are you standing so far back and taking the ball so late and low? Move up...I know its clay but still...you are bending over to hit way too many balls which is giving you trouble and causing you to hit into the net. Make your opponent/rally partner force you back...don't start back there IMHO. Good luck in your journey.
     
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    I strongly disagree with this statement. I believe Fed & Rafa have a lot of
    innate talent and hand/eye coordination far above other people and would
    translate to other sports and is **FAR** above the original poster's abilities.
     
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    That's right, if Fed and Rafa had started that late, they would be at onehandbh's level.
     
  18. peoplespeace

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    tx guys for these comments and moral support :) but please spare me the humiliation of comparing me with fed or rafa!

    Danno123, devilito and athiker thanks for the advices, im especially happy about the advice of not moving back, this is an unconcious thing that by the way i have only become aware of very recently so i see it as providence that u guys are mentioning that exactly now. The crazy thing is that i will move a step back even is the ball is hit hard flat and streight at me, in an unconcious attempt at winning time (!!!) and it is totally counterproductive for all the reasons u mention danno123, but i especially notice it in the weight transfer dpt which is what im working on these days, together with relaxing and not muscling, together with rythm on stroke prep and changing my takeback from soderlig style to berdych style on forehand. After a period of being pessimistic re my progress i feel my tennis is going though a small revolution these days which is nice :)

    And just for the record, it has now been 3 yrs since i started this project.
     
  19. dozu

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    danno you are selling yourself short. I have seen your video.

    I'd bet my $5 on you any day if you have to play the OP.

    OP, let's be realistic.... you are basically a 3.5 to 4.0 (at best) player in USTA terminology... I only watched a couple of minutes and you've got major swing flaws typical for players with your length of playing experience.

    This stuff reminds me of the 'pipe dream' show on the golf channel, but at least the guy in the show has some game... OP you are just another dude trying to hack it.
     
  20. Morgan

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    Same position here. Quit playing after being #1 on high school team. Stopped playing after high school due to not being able to find players consistently.

    Back with it decades later - it's like riding a bike. Playing against like-minded retirees (I'm a 40-yr old retiree - FIRE).
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    Good luck w/ the worldwide tour plan - something that sounds interesting, but I'm not playing for competition on any tour.
     
  21. Morgan

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    No offense, but unfortunately, you have a lot of work to do on your technique. I don't think your game satisfies 2.0, does it?
     
  22. peoplespeace

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    ok tough guys! Lets see howsure u are of what u say, if u guys are correct in ur assesment of me, then getting a legitimate atp point or several, lets say 5 atp points would be pretty far fettched right! So let me har on scouts honor how much u guys are willing to pay me if i succed with that within 5 yrs? .......right thats what i thought! ;)
     
  23. dozu

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    I am burned out from golf, so taking a rest today and got a couple of hours to kill... so let me entertain this idea.

    there is this concept of 'odd' in the betting world... your proposal is not a bet, it's more like a solicitation for sponsorship or donation.

    you can propose an odds, then see if there will be takers.

    The other thing is - who can wait for 5 years. The contemporary culture is all about right here right now.

    right now your game is that of a typical beginner.

    There are things that can be patched up quickly... like fitness.

    But nothing can replace on-court playing time. it takes about 10000 hours to reach about 4.5-5.0 USTA level, depending on the amount of coaching / talent a player has.

    so your realistic limit is USTA 5.0 in 5 years, which will be just good enough to compete against someone like me, who looks like a 3.5 in a video, but has gotten rid of most swing flaws to be good enough to dismiss most guys below 5.0

    so - It might be quite depressing, but it's true.... in 5 years you may have a chance to beat an amateur like me... that's probably very far from the goal you have in mind.

    You have fallen into the 'you don't know what you don't know trap'.... and majority of the population, who have not been involved in competitive sports before, can easily fall into this trap.... all the parents who think their kids are the next federer or tiger fall into the same trap.

    Those crazy parents, who push the hardest, are typically those who had no athletic background... I have seen too many.... and interestingly, it's those who have had competition background, who don't push kids too hard, because these parent understand, what it takes to make it to the top.

    In your case, the object being pushed is not your kid, but yourself.

    But the source of the delusion is similar.
     
  24. peoplespeace

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    dozu, ive made fun of u before so i understand that u might feel a need to do the same. Ill be honest and say that i find u a bit pathetic. U want to come across as intelligent and what not, but just this post u lost me when u implied that i had proposed a bet and then went on from that false premise to lecture me on what a bet and odds are, lol.

    And just for the record, i would cruch u on the court any day.
     
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    hm... interesting... I actually don't remember you made fun of me.

    so now you know what I wrote was not to get back at you.

    it's spell as 'crush' by the way...

    I had a feeling that this might turn into a similar situation as some other threads that can make a lot of guys go microwave some popcorns...

    low and behold, you have fallen into another trap.

    Here is the thing - there are many threads posted by school kids who got so bogged down by the tennis thing, by the 'going pro someday' thing, that they forgot that school is priority #1.. and typically there are 2 categories of responses to such threads.

    1 side, you've got equally boneheaded people who say 'sky is the limit, you only live once, go for it'.... all that bumper sticker stuff that may get the kid's blood boiling for the next couple of weeks and go out practice like crazy, until he runs into some old dude like me and finally realize he sucks and there is no future in tennis... (it would be lucky if reality sets in a couple of weeks, otherwise years are wasted on some useless skill like tennis)

    then there are the more realistic, but unpleasant at the moment responses, who lay out the odds, based on facts.

    Which category of responses is doing the kids more good than damage? that is the question.

    Your situation is similar.. and your response is expected, to the reality.

    I think I've killed enough time on this topic... there is no need to drag on.... just go for some tournaments, and reality will set in.
     
  26. goober

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    5 ATP points in the next 5 years? Let see you have from age 41-46 to do this and you have only played 2 years. I will make that bet and even give you odds.

    Only stipulation is all the points must be from completed matches no walkovers or retirements.

    For 5 ATP points you have to win

    -5 times in a R16 main draw future event or get through QF several times.
    - 1 win in R16 in a $35-75K challenger event.


    Given that there are tons of 6.0+ level players with 0 ATP points, I will gladly take you up on this bet.
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  27. Jfolks259

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    dozu, im fairly new to tennis (been playing for a couple years but just started playing 3+ times a week within the last three months) and i dont quite understand what constitutes a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0 etc. rating. You say you're a 5.0 but on video look like a 3.5, if I understood that right. I've been looking at videos on youtube and i found a couple 3.5 players that just look BAD! would you be able to take a look at this clip and see if this is what a 3.5 player really looks like or are they rating themselves too high? appreciate it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCRV9sfPxoQ
     
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    :)

    these numbers have only 1 purpose - driving people nuts.. lol.

    in the 'out!' thread in the tips forum, J_R_B gave some insights to the guys in the video you referenced.

    I wouldn't worry about the rating numbers too much.... it's great you can play 3 times a week and hopefully enjoy it.

    1 thing I can say is that definitely try to improve on techniques... which will help you climb up the rating pyramid if you ever venture into tournaments... but more importantly, the game is more enjoyable the more 'correctly' you play :)
     
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    thanks for the insight! im a college student right now so tennis is my time away from the accounting classes! :)

    love to see someone with such passion for the game! keep enjoying!
     
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    wow what are the chances i ask you about the same video you posted like 3 days ago?! too funny
     
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    I like the call at 2:00
     
  32. dozu

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    thanks.... I said 'tennis is a useless skill' in an affectionate way.

    tennis is great sport.... it gets the heart rate up, gets the spirit high.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8bphcoEGc4

    what Moe said at 7:22 can apply to tennis as well.... by the way, if you have 8 minutes to spare, watch the whole video.... a story that gives me goose bumps every time I watch.

    I actually had a chance to go pro after college in a different sport, but made the decision not to, because after 4 years of fierce competition in the college circuit and in the municipal tournaments, I understood what it takes to get to the top.
     
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    Interesting video, although as a nongolfer it doesn't really touch me the same way. I like the sentiment though. Really it is what all adult rec players should be striving for.

    I think the problem I see in tennis is that a lot of people who start as adults in their 30-40s with athletic backgrounds have immediate success. They get to 4.0 pretty quickly and beat people who have been playing 20+ years (but at 3.5) and think- "gee I could have been a pro if I started as a child" Delusions of grandeur set in ... progress is not linear in tennis and most people will top out at a certain level 4.5-5.0 no matter how much time they put into it.

    Focus on having fun playing tennis instead.
     
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    Thanks for the video. I'm predominantly a golfer as well - and returned to playing tennis after laying off for about 20 yrs. Even now after playing tennis a few months, I'm starting to lose the fun in the game while trying to improve my competitiveness and play better players than I am.

    Like goober said, focus on playing for fun.

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    Didn't realize Norman had such a great career on the Canadian tour. Glad you posted the link.
     
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    IMHO, if your serious about your development you need to worry less about ATP points and more about fundamentals.

    Save your travel money and hire a good pro to work with you.

    Not trying to rain on your parade but you seem to lack perspective. I doubt if you could take a set off my area's top three juniors, girls that is.

    Wake up dude ...
     
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    Wouldn't it be funny if he were a hustler - but I doubt that even a hustler couldn't fake groundstokes like that.

    No offense.
     
  38. big bang

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    I will give you my house, girl, bank account and all my tennis gear. Sounds good yes?
     
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    thats very very generous, great move! will see u and ur girlfriend in 5 yrs time or less....hasta la vista baby :shock:
     
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    Sure thing buddy!. Keep us posted:)
    If you hurry up you can win wimbledon this year using my frames. And then you can become a pro soccer player next year and take Ronaldo´s position in Real Madrid.
    After that Stan Lee will call you and offer you to become a marvel superhero.
    Sounds pretty realistic doesnt it?..
     
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    This takes the cake as the most delusional post I've ever read. I have a goal to get to a 4.5 max, and after just getting to the finals of a 4.0 tourney, feel, with some really hard work, that I can get there.

    This guy is 41 with beginners strokes and is talking about ATP points?
     
  42. peoplespeace

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    wait n see......
     
  43. Devilito

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    If you can get 1 atp point anytime before you die (and it doesn’t involve all your opponents defaulting due to injury) I’d call the pope and get them to confirm the miracle. You’re not a bad player but how many Open events have you won so far? I know plenty of 5.5-6.0 dominant open players that have had no luck getting 1 atp point. I’ve played qualifiers of satellites back in the 90s with a group of Open players and none of us was able to break through to get a point. Most of them moved on to be top D1 players and never got a point. Remember that to get an ATP point you may have to win anywhere from 3-4 matches against 6.0 level players in the same tournament. You might play awesome win 3 matches qualify, lose 1st round main draw and get nothing. If you were a 5.5-6.0 level player that has been dominating Open events regularly for years I might give you a prayer. Tony Lars is on that limit. He’s a very good player that at best has a “shot” at getting a point. Use him as a frame of reference. In any case though, good luck to you. Keep at it and don’t stop trying. There is no reason to not go for it and give it your best.
     
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    A miracle, hehe, gl calling the Pope, im an atheist so ill agree that my miracle if it happens will be bigger than their current miracles of statues crying blood and other funny stuf for the ignorant needy masses. But on a serious note, im aware of all that u say of the level needed to get a point, ive seen some 10 futures and qualis around the world and seen some awesome tennis by the players who win these events and even in quarterfinals when the seeded players start meeting each other. When i feel ready to win a point i might request a wild card for the main draw instead of having to win 3 quali matches.

    Tonlars is a good player but he doesnt intimidate me, his main weekness seems to be the serve and that is a main drawback if u want to move up to futures event. My goal with require me to have a very very good serve, it is already good but it can a will become much better.

    Thanks for ur words of encouragement :) gl to u2 with ur own tennis ambitions!
     
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    Just want to point out that Tony’s serve looks awkward but it’s far from weak. His lack of fluid motion is preventing him from having a bigger serve than he does, but the end result of his serve is not bad at all. Also Tony's game doesn't revolve around his serve. From limited observation I'd say his strongest quality is his movement
     
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    What? this cant be right.
     
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    was exaggerating a bit just to scare the OP.... but to become an 'expert' in anything, say a tour player in tennis, or a concert performer in music, 10k hours is about right.

    I have asked OP to set up a poll and see if he can win 1 game from me over 2 sets of play, never got a response from him.
     
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    This guy wouldn't win a single point against Tony.

    And I like how he say's he'd just get a wildcard into the main draw of a futures event. I guess with a large bribe such things could be done, but he'd still have to win the match, and he'd lose 6-0, 6-0.

    Why not set some realistic goals? This thread is ludicrous, though I admit, entertaining.

    Thomas Muster was world #1, trying to come back now at the same age as the OP, and can't win a single match on the tour. But this beginner will? Dude, your strokes are 3.0. Time to re-calibrate expectations.
     
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    not that it really matters, but there¨s i huge huge difference between a challangers event as muster attempted at and first round future. re goal setting have u thought about why u think that u can only become a 4.5 player? Answer that and ull know the difference between u and me......
     
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    i agree that ir is not weak as in a weak ass serve but indee his lack of kenetic chain action prevents him from getting a good serve.
     
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