Looking for ambitious tennis partner(s)

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  1. goober

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    Well his best chance is to go some futures in place like Africa and pay for a main draw entry and then pay his opponent off:)

    However if he doesn't do it a legit way by going through qualies as an unranked amateur and winning a round in the main draw it doesn't count IMO.
     
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    Well, Ive learned how to serve fairly well now, so hopefully talk of my serve being weak will end this year. Im not a great or huge server still, but am serving decent percentage of 110-120 mph flat serves now instead of 90-100 spin serves.

    I have no doubt that I would get several points playing futures, just need to play enough of them. Ive played 3 total on an average of 1 every 2 years or so, and Ive also improved significantly since even 2 years ago. Back then I was able to win Us futures qualifying matches getting to either the 2nd or 3rd round, and one I tore a ligament in my wrist mid match and am very certain I would have made the 4th round and maybe main draw. Getting points isnt a goal of mine however as I enjoy making money at open events more. Plenty of people Ive beaten have rankings so I know Im there. Maybe ill do another someday though for fun.
     
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    Ive met quite a few people like the guy in this thread. Alot of great reasoning on here but it will fall on deaf ears, as he is determined to do it. He doesnt realize how improbable it is and believes his determination will compensate for impossible odds. Old friend of mine made it a "goal" to win the state tournament and he wasnt even close, and despite my advice he insisted this is what he needed to and could do. He lost first round heavily both years there, and was devestated each time despite how what happened was expected by everyone else. Ive had a customer call me on the phone and tell me he saw Federer play, and how it would be "his great honor" to play against him soon someday. He had never played before, "but was very experienced in karate". Most recently a junior college student who is taking a beginner tennis class thinks that he can turn pro someday and wanted lessons with that goal in mind.

    They will all fail and learn the lesson the hard way on their own. And thats fine, some people just need to take their shot, no matter if it in truth is impossible to even get half-way there. The worst that can happen usually is they had a great experience and stories to tell, as long as they can handle the failure mentally.
     
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    Having personally hit with Dozu, and seeing the OP's video let me interject a dose of reality.

    OP, you are in real good shape, so right there that is a victory in itself. But your footwork is really bad, and Dozu is a very consistent hitter. He would simply return everything until you blew one of your strokes into the net.

    That being said if you continue this harcdcore quest, maybe in 4-5 years you will have the required consistency, movement and weight transfer to win some tournies.

    It looks like you are using a full western grip from the clip, and I would strongly suggest trying the semiwestern. Just my opinion, but I think you will become more consistent.

    Also, the less serious you take tennis when out there, the better you play. If you attach tennis performance to your ego, you are going to be a pretty bummed out gy, and this is spaking in general terms. I have started out matches weakly and could easily have collapsed mentally. Just keeping a relaxed mindset, enjoying the time playing keeps me from feeling any real pressure out there, and allows me to recover from bad starts and also not rush things.

    Tennis is one of the hardest sports to be good at, and look good at. Most players, even 4.5s can look akward and slow on video. It is just simply not a game that you can walk on the field/court and dominate at in a years time like other team sports.

    I would strongly suggest removing your ego from this and realizing how far you have to go to really be a great player. A lot of us here have played tennis starting at a young age, won some big matches in the past and still think of ourselves in far humbler terms then you seem to from your posts.
     
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    great that ur serve is improving and that ur enjoying the sport! Just for the record, u say that all of those people with high unlikely goals will fail, u know that is not true i hope, a few of them/us will reach our goals.....
     
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    Thanks! And I hope you do, that would be nothing short of amazing, and a story the whole world would know. Just dont lose sight of the smaller goals you accomplish and how far you come, especially if you dont make your end goal. If you can even reach a solid and consistent 4.5-5.0 just starting at your age, that is itself a great accomplishment to use and enjoy.
     
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    Yes, I know why I would like to "only" become a 4.5 player:
    1. I have a great job and make an excellent living. I've gone "pro" in my field with commensurate rewards, financial and otherwise. I can't focus on tennis more than 3-5 times a week max.

    2. i've lost a step. I'm your age, and whether you admit it or not, younger kids will get to every ball you hit, every "winner" they'll easily get to and get back to you with pace. But that won't be the same on your side, they'll crush winner after winner.

    3. Injuries -Since my recent comeback about a year ago, I've dealt with small injuries, constantly, that mean I have to take off tennis. 40 is not 20. You will have these injuries, and they will affect your play significantly.

    4. Talent -Some of us have great talent....I think I have it in my professional field, but my talent is maybe slightly above average on a tennis court. That doesn't bode well for a pro future. From what I've seen of your video, you don't have exceptional talent. You are a 3.0 player at this point. You're no Mozart with the racket, dude.

    By the way, you can sign up for US Open Sectional Qualifying...so let's see what you got.
     
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    That is really funny, it's the "American Idol" mentality where everyone thinks they are special and a star. Very, very, very few are.

    BTW, I would pay a ton in lessons to get as good as you, Tony, and really compete at the highest level in open tournaments, especially for prize money. Went to one a few weeks ago and was so impressed with the level of tennis and the chance to win some cash, plus ball boys and an umpire -very cool.
     
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    good luck peoplespeace!!!! :)
     
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    You made way too much sense here. Which means you will most likely be labeled as a dream killer or a "hater" instead of a realist.


     
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    Just read this for the first time. Wow.

    All I can say is although you said you are an atheist you will need some divine intervention.

    Good luck dude.
     
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    Am I the only one whos actually enjoying this thread more and more for each page?:).
    At your age you will never become pro anything and with your very limited experience and "talent" you will never be able to compete anywhere near the level you are talking about, not even div 1, 2 or 3. Seriously dude you got nothing going for you with a racquet in hand. Its plain delusional and you should know better considering your age. Its clear to everyone but you that your skills are very limited, but like I said before its ok considering you only played for a few years, just work on improving everything and maybe you will be able to compete at category 3 tournaments in Denmark, maybe even go a round or two at category 2 with the right draw but nothing more!. Even if you fix all the flaws you got, you still got zero match experience and your opponents got 15-20 years or more plus they are much younger than you... You really should be able to do the math yourself now.. Even if you were 30 or even better 25, you would never win a single ATP point, but you are 40+ and just picked up tennis.
    I hate to sound like a dream killer, but you are wasting your time considering your extremely unrealistic goals. Just enjoy playing tennis, relax and improve your game. Maybe in a few years you can play in the +45 league back home, you will get to play some of the old-timers who used to compete a very high levels and you will learn a trick or two I promise you.
    I cant help feeling sorry for you somehow, but I guess you created some kind of illusion of yourself and your tennis skills. I have a hard time understanding it, but its a matter of time before you realize that you have as much chance of flying to the moon in a VW golf as you do getting any ATP points.
    My offer still stands and I will even through in a brand new VW golf for the space travel!. But I could also give you this offer since we are both danes, when you realize that you will never be able to compete at a high level, you can mail me and I will give you the names of some very good coaches in the Copenhagen area that you can get single lessons from, maybe I can even set you up with a few good +45 guys who used to play div 1.
    Everything in life is about reaching your goals, but to reach them you have to know your limits or you will fail every time. If your goal was to travel the world, have fun, make some new friends, play tennis every day and improve you game, then you would achieve your goal.. But ATP points?.. Never going to happen, sorry!.
     
  13. peoplespeace

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    dont really what to say, im an extremely humble person
     
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    Tx and ty for the advice.
     
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    ty Naevius! ;)
     
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    My "dream" is not a dream its an ambition, which is closer to a plan than a dream. But give ur best shot killing my plan...........
     
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    Tx mate! I remember that singer Devine, dont think he can help me......
     
  18. Power Player

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    I have a few options :

    Play the best old guy at your courts. The guy who was basically a high level player as a youth. Play with him for about 2-3 years and appreciate how developed his touch is as he runs you all over the place.

    Play a highly rated junior who is 16 or under.

    Try moving your feet for an entire hitting session. Split stepping everytime, getting prepped before the ball bounces on your side and hitting consistently.

    Come back in a few years and let us know how it goes. You will be a much better player, but also with more realistic ambitions.
     
  19. Devilito

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    I think what happens is a lot of players don’t have access to high level players in their area and think the people they play against are better than they really are in the grand scheme of things. Another thing I see is players hit with a pro once and are able to get a good rhythm going with a pro player and think they’re on par due to being able to keep pace in a back and forth rally then start getting delusions of grandeur based on being able to keep up in practice. What they don’t realize is that they just had the best hit of their lives busting their asses off while the pro player just sleepwalked his way through just another regular hit.
     
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    Yeah he is not going to really get it until he hits with some high level guys.

    Ok to the OP, I strongly suggest the US Open Qualifiers...what is it..$125 or so?
     
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    Just wondering how you are tracking toward this goal? Are you planning to play qualifying for any upcoming futures events?

    Also just a tip for what its worth... The quickest way to improve based on my own and other higher level players experience, is to spend a lot of time on your serving and your footwork.
     
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    Hang on, he said he was a 5.5 and woud be in futures this year? Wow. Ok, pure insanity. Now I just feel bad.
     
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    unless the progress i have experienced for the past month continues during 2011 it wont happen in 2011. That goal required that i could have worked seiously with my tennis for a yr straight according to the plan that made me post this thread in the first place. That hasnt happened unfortunately. My budget is limited and i cant just pay my way to great coaching and opposition on a daily basis. Only for the past 4-6 weeks have i been able to do real quality work with good players of some very useful advice from a couple of coaches.

    Tx, I agree with ur tip re serve and footwork therefore i have recently started working on my serve everyday and filming it frequently. I know that my vid display poor footwork but i actually have quite good footwork and i agree that the importance of fw cannot be overestimated if u want to play high level tennis.
     
  25. peoplespeace

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    Roflmao...
     
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    This is the first time I read this thread and I think it is awesome what you are trying to acheive. Im sure deep down even the haters have respect for what you are doing and wish they had your motivation and desire to suceed in their tennis dreams.

    I hope you keep on truckin and your tennis keeps improving along the way. For what its worth I thought your videos were solid! Good luck in the future!
     
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    Did I misread? If so, my bad.
     
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    Are you playing full time at the moment? What do you do for a living? Just curious as to how you support yourself. No problem if you dont want to answer though.

    Honestly, if I had the means to do so I would quit my job and start playing full time too. I dont think i would get anywhere as a pro, but hell, when i retire I plan to play tennis everyday anyway. I have a friend who I played with who quit his job and played tennis full time for around 2-3 years when he was 30. he played a few futures events but I think he only managed one win in qualifying. He mainly just played open tournaments and money events, but he had a great time travelling around and playing for thsoe few years
     
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    9 Pages of GTOAT material right here. Like everyone else here, I think that while its great you have goals and want to work towards them, they are ridiculously unattainable. Actually, after reading the first post, and then watching you play, I'm starting to wonder if this is just a joke. The first part that is just plain wrong is your self rating. Granted, I have never played in the US, and thus don't really know the rating system. However, if Tony says he's about a 5.5 or 6.0, and you say you're a 5.0 (I assume that is one step down from a 5.5?) then I really would like to know what you're smoking. I have friends who actually play ITFs around Europe, and a couple who have tried to make it on the tour, but every one of them has played since they were around 5 or so. You think you can make it to Futures level in TWO YEARS? That is literally saying you're going to turn into a Pro tennis player in 2 years. Doesn't that sound just a tad unrealistic? As others have said, the biggest problem is probably a lack of decent level players in your area. You might play against people who think of themselves as high level players, but in reality they are just weekend warriors. If you had actually hit with a former touring pro, or someone who is actually playing futures, then you would quickly come to the realisation that your goals are merely "pie in the sky". And the part where you say "I took lessons with several pros at other academies but learned nothing (as many of u will know most pros dont even attempt at teaching u anything that will take u to the next level fast even if u have the talent)"(sic). The reason nobody can teach you something that will "take u to the next level fast" is because you CANNOT GET to the next level fast. It takes years of practicing and coaching and match play to get to the level of a futures level player, even if you have the natural talent. And you think you can shortcut all of this at the age of 41? In two years? I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but sometimes you have to face reality. If you have improved as much as you say you have in just two years, then thats an achievement in itself. You should play tournaments around your area, or get involved with clubs that play league tennis so you can join their teams. Its a good way to meet fellow players around your area, and also to experience some good competition. And then set yourself some more realistic goals, like getting to a consistent, match winning level by ... date. Take some coaching from someone you can get along with, and realise that there isn't any quick and easy way to get to a good level.
    And mid 2011 is just around the corner - can we see your latest video? You should be at your target level by now, so why don't you film a hitting session.
     
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    quote peoplespace

    if u had sounded like a nicer guy than u do i would have suggested that u provide that offer now (not that i need it to reach my goal) but u personnify some of the traits that often times make me embarrased about my pathetic culture and the way we danes interact.



    First of all Im a very experienced player and coach, I tried to tell you that you will never achieve your goals, just lower your standards.. why not?.

    The reason I say the things I do, is because you need a serious wake-up call.
    I do the same to my students when they think they are "high level" players when they are not!. They need to get blown off court a few times, then they know they need to train even harder to improve.

    For a guy your age you look pretty fit and you got the will to improve, learning Im not so sure about though?. I offered you my help to get in touch with some very good coaches and players around your age, then you will find out if you can compete with ppl around your own age. That would be hard enough for you to achieve since you have very little experience, but it would be a better place to test your skills. You need coaching but you dont wanna admit that.
    I always say the things the way they are and the way I see them, if ppl are offended by that, then I really cant help them.
    You do need help becomming a better player and I could provide that help. I know you think Im arrogant, but actually Im acting this way to help, because you need to wake up. My offer still stands, play some of the old guys I know, you will lose bad of course, but these guys can help you more than you think. They are not as fast and strong as they were 15-20 years ago, but they know what there is to know about tennis at high level.
    But like you say, you dont need any help, right?..

    Just being honest here, if I thought you had even 1% chance to play futures I would say "go ahead, follow your dream".
     
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    quoting OP - Im tired of talkink about dozu and his silly poll, honestly i consider him a borderline troll

    mr. OP - I consider you a troll, without the 'borderline' part.

    let's forget about the 'silly poll' for a moment, just ask around, what others think the score would be if you and I play a couple of sets.

    To prove that you are not trolling, you should have the guts to ask around.... and the purpose that I ask you to do that, is NOT to prove how great I am (I'd take no pride in double-bageling a beginner).... it's not about me, it's about you... just trying to serve the wake-up call to you at no charge.

    Watch my signature video again (apparently you got a good laugh at this non-tennis stuff the first time you watched).... over 10 minutes of hitting, how many balls did I miss into the net? zero.. now look at your own video, you dumped 3 balls out of your first 5 FH.

    are you trolling? come on, just tell the truth.

    The greatest moment of this thread, was seeing tennis_balla repeated asking for a video from the OP, then after 1 was posted, balla has stayed completely radio silent since. LOL.
     
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    Yeah, but he'll have the last laugh when he's 45 and playing futures tourneys. "It would be my complete honor to play Federer someday" lol
     
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    already being super realistic
     
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    ty-ty-ty mate! :)
     
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    great stuff! i hope his still happy he did it
     
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    ill post some vid this summer after returning to denmark, im sure it will change some minds, not that that matters to me......
     
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    "Grandiose delusions" AKA "Delusions of Grandeur" are principally a subtype of delusional disorder but could possibly feature as a symptom of schizophrenia and manic episodes of bipolar disorder.[1] Grandiose delusions are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic.

    I would put competing in a futures tourney after 2 years of tennis at age 41 to fit this definition to a tee...
     
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    if my goals are so delusional why do u then have to exagerate thme?
     
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    I'd like to see the progress. I of course wish I had more time for tennis but work and life leaves little time for fun which is sad.
     
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    yeah it is a bit sad, especially if u feel that life is living u and not u living life....career wise im happy that i got out of the spell of being obsessed with it and let all big decisions be subject to its furtherance.
     
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    No one minds that you're taking off time to play and train for tennis. But the issue is that you say you're a 5.5 and then you're telling other guys, low level pros, that you have more talent than them, when you're video shows highly suspect skills.
    I think a more modest approach would be better. Start entering tournaments, you can play open level. See how well you do. Report back on progress.
    Much more interesting than to keep bashing posters who rightfully question what seems at best delusional.
     
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    I would be pretty bummed if OP said he was a 5.5 and came to FL for a hit before I saw his video. I would have been going to bed early, no partying with the ho's and bro's the night before, making a super energy breakfast, spiking my water with pedialyte, applying fresh tourna to 2 sticks..etc.

    What a letdown that would be.
     
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    never said that i thought ppl were against me taking time off!?!

    Pls dont call me talent comment for bashing - go back and read the exchange and come back with a more fair and factual assesment.
     
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    haha at least ur insults have humor!

    In another tread i already admitted that i was not a 5.0 when i made those vids around new year but i do think that i am a 5.0 now and it dont mind posting vid of tournament play this comming summer i denmark to back that up.
     
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    Not really insults, just keeping it real my man.

    But yeah, post vids of you in the tournament. That will be awesome. Good luck with it, just stay focused and grounded.
     
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    So you went from a 3.0/3.5 to 5.0 in just 3 months? What tournaments have you won? Who have you beat? Why do you think you are a 5.0 now?
     
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    I agree here. Match experience is the big key. If you don’t play tournaments every few weeks you lose it bad. At least I did. You can be practicing at a 5.5-6.0 level and without match experience lose your game at a 5.0 level. Match experience is the only way to bring the practice/match play to an even level. There are mental aspects in a tournament that just cannot be practiced or learned. It has to be experienced and repeated frequently like any other aspect of your game
     
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    that is why i plan on playing 5-6 tournaments in copenhagen this summer in addition to playing for one of the teams of my club. Ive had some very good match experience the last 4-6 weeks but only two were tournament matches where i faired decently against division 1 players in chile and argentina going to a tiebreak in the second set in one of the matches. However im not aiming at settling "my game" at the current level as im improving weekly to an extent that im surprised myself.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA - going to tie break against D1... this is good stuff.

    so are you ready for a video poll yet LOL.
     
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    I.e. He lost in the first round of each.
     

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