looking for natural gut: alternatives to babolat and wilson

Discussion in 'Strings' started by rincode, Feb 26, 2013.

  1. rincode

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    im not looking to replace natural gut with say nxt. im looking for a cheaper alternative to the babolat and wilson brands. nxt is my go to string and ive tried wilson natgut once. loved it. heard babolat vs is good as well, but havent tried it. im looking for a cheaper alternative to wilson and babolat. mambatennis has sheep gut for $22. i liked wilson natgut but cant justify it at 2x the cost of nxt. wondering if generic brand natgut will play better than nxt at about the same price. what generic brands offer natgut at about $20???
     
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  3. Ronaldo

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    No love for Klip Legend?
     
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  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Apparently, people don't like a crispy feeling gut. I for one is dying to try it though, and I'm patiently waiting for TW to restock.
     
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  5. hmd

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    My observations are the same as what Ramon says about Klip Legend in that thread
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=450710&page=5

    I am not a string breaker but do break multi after 15 hours of play so far has not break Klip Legend 16 after 30 hours of play. I would buy Klip Legend again that's for sure.
     
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  6. ultradr

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    I loved Klip legend Uncoated.

    On the dense string pattern(18x20) of my Head Prestige, strings last long.
    I play all court style and hit moderate amount of spin.
    These make it to be benefited by strings with long lasting playability of
    high quality guts.

    So in my situation, original Babolat (pre-BT7) and Wilson NG are still the best "value".
     
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  7. gplracer

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    Babolat Tonic+ is a great string. It ends up being much cheaper for me and my kids. Before we were using NXT and it just broke too fast. I could only get 1.5 matches out of it.
     
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  8. marosmith

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    Volkl gut is some good stuff and could be had very cheap certain places.
     
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  9. Rjtennis

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    The new VS is pretty durable stuff. I agree with what people say about it compared to the old VS, but it does seems to soften up after the coating starts to wear off.
     
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  10. NLBwell

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    ToughGut is stiffer and lasts a REALLY long time (for me at least).
     
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  11. Harry_Wild

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    I think Babolat VS Gut is the same as Wilson Gut. Wilson subcontract out this item and Babolat repackages it as Wilson Gut.
     
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  12. Lambsscroll

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    Nah, If your saying the new VS (BT7) is the same as Wilson gut then no way. Wilson gut is so much softer and I think it sustains the initial power much longer than VS BT7.
     
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  13. UCSF2012

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    Pacific Tough Gut is virtually unbreakable. I have it in my main racket, and it's been about a year that it's in there. I rotate among 3-4 rackets, and in that year, the frame with Tough Gut hasn't broken. The other frames have gone thru several Klip Legends, Mamba's, Genesis's....you get my point. I've switched to Tough Gut for all my frames now. The everlasting-string.

    Fine print: I switch out the poly crosses every 4-6 hrs.
     
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  14. McLovin

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    The best "regular" deal price-wise is KLIP Legend ($25.95), followed by Pacific Classic ($29.95). As others have noted here, Legend is a bit crisper than the others, and will likely require a short 'break-in period' (between a few games and set, depending on our style of play). I haven't noticed the break-in period of Classic, except for maybe the first swing or two.

    I said "regular" above because TW had been running a sale on BB Hero that came out to $23 per set. I believe the sale is still on, but they are out of BB Hero right now. If you call them, you should be able to mention the sale & they will take your order now, and charge you when it is back in stock. See my question here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=453768

    Tough Gut is nice, but its still $39 per set (I used it back when it was copper in color).
     
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  15. Lambsscroll

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    It seems like your not considering longevity. If string X lasts 2 times longer than string Y then doesn't that bring the cost down of string X? And if you conceder cost of labor then that really brings down the cost of string X.
     
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  16. McLovin

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    Sure, but only if you subscribe to the 'restringing of crosses only', which I do not.

    Of course, if you're doing a full bed gut, then it's worth it.
     
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  17. marosmith

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    That would be your problem.
     
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  18. McLovin

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    Its not a problem, its a preference.

    People are free to do what they want with their frames. I prefer not to 'restring crosses only' for two reasons: (1) I believe it is not good for the frame, and (2) I wouldn't be getting the same tension as a fresh restringing.

    Reason #1 is subjective. There isn't any real data I'm aware of that says its bad or not, but I'd rather not risk it.

    Reason #2 is quantifiable. There is no way the gut has the same tension after 8 hours of play as when it first came off the machine. As a result, the frame will play different as compared to a fresh string job.

    Some people are head cases on the court (me included), and its better if the equipment is taken out of the equation. That is why all my frames are the same, with the same weight/balance, the same string at the same tension, with the same overgrip & dampener. Not because I think I'm a pro. Quite the contrary.

    If the shot goes out, there is no doubt in my mind that it is me to blame.
     
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  19. UCSF2012

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    No one suggested you HAD to restring crosses only to benefit from Tough Gut's extra long life. You can use the same poly for the life of the mains if you wanted. Just choose a firmer, longer lasting poly.

    I just happen to restring crosses only after 6 hrs to improve play. Makes the shots more predictable. During matches, fewer shots act on their own. This is an important point that bears repeating. ***Restringing crosses only improves my overall performance in competition*** I hit my targets more often. I don't hook shots wide. More balls stay in the court.

    So many people refuse to restring crosses only, because they don't think it's good for the frame. Personally, I don't know why they'd even care about that. It's a tennis racket, not a Rolex watch. It's cheaper to buy a new racket than to replace $39 strings repeatedly. My particular set of Tough Gut's already lasted over a year (and a ton of crosses restrings at $2.50 each time). I have a high performing racket at a VERY low overall price. Costs more for tennis balls than my natural gut strings.
     
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  20. UCSF2012

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  21. BlxTennis

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    Thanks. Just placed my order for the BB gut. Great deal.
     
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  22. marosmith

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    I would like to add, when you do a full string job you do the mains, and the poor defenseless racket is left cross-less!!! My goodness! Such damage every time a racket is strung! (Sarcasm)

    Gut is very playable for a long time and cutting gut with months of life left is just a waste of money. If you have tons of money, go for it.

    Gut holds tension and playability, and some would say plays Better later in life. So keep the gut intact unless you have lots of $$$$$
     
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  23. Lambsscroll

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    I was referring to a full string job of gut.

    If Tough Gut last twice as long as Pacific Classic then you save cash.

    Tough Gut plus labor 39.00+10.00= 49.00

    Pacific Classic plus labor 30.00+10.00= 40.00 but multiplied by 2 = 80.00 bucks
     
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  24. Fintft

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    I would stick with Babolat VS Team 17 and find way to extend its life:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7254317&posted=1#post7254317
     
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  25. Smasher08

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    Why use full bed gut if you're concerned about longevity and cost?

    Go gut-poly at low tensions. I'm getting about 70 hrs with Pac Classic 1.25 x MSV CoF 1.18 @ 48x44 lbs . . . and I'm a 5.0.
     
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  26. Lambsscroll

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    The OP didn't ask about gut in hybrids.
     
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  27. julian

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    Please see the PAT tHE DOG THREAD

    Please see the PAT tHE DOG THREAD
     
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  28. Lambsscroll

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    Is there a dog named PAT? Nice name.
     
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  29. wrxtotoro

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    Bow Brand Championship is very good. Crisp but not harsh. I don't have good experience with their Performance gut tho.

    Too bad TW doesn't carry them anymore.
     
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