Looking for Poly/syn gut suggestions

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  1. springfieldalum

    springfieldalum New User

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    Hi I am a former college player now high 4.5 almost 5.0 player using the Head Graphene Pro 18x20. I have been putting Gamma Stinger in it which plays pretty okay. I ran out of it last night and strung it up with Luxilon ALU Rough 16L in the mains and a Gamma Syn Gut in the crosses. Serves very well and powerful with this set-up (better than the Stinger for sure) but I think there's too much power for my groundies. I hit hard, mostly tee-off flat with some okay topspin off both sides and a penetrating slice backhand.

    I am looking for a good hybrid setup suggestion with a poly that retains it's tension. Any suggestions? Thanks.
     
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  2. Stasko

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    I'm with the same racket and I'm using Yonex Poly Tour Pro 120. My strokes are very hard so the all bed poly string is best for me.
     
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  3. nickarnold2000

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    I use Signum Tornado 17 mains and Forten Sweet crosses. Tornado has terrific bite, great tension maintenance and is way cheaper than Rough. Hint: look for Tornado in Europe because it's cheaper.
     
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  4. springfieldalum

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    Thanks to both-both set-up look very promising and I'm going to try them both!
     
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  5. alpinenut

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    I like Cyclone with Volkl Synthetic gut. Both 1.25mm. Prestretch for tension maintenance. VSG maintains its tension really well prestretched. Cyclone is OK in that dept but really good spin string. If you don't know how to prestretch there's threads explaining it. You can also just triple/quadruple pull each string. Doesn't make the prestretch as even but it does improve the overall tension maintenance.
     
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  6. PGlock

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    Try Babolat Pro Hurricane with Wilson Sensation or Pro Hurricane Tour which is stiffer. Both are good combinations and won't die too fast.
     
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  7. springfieldalum

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    Thanks a lot for these suggestions. Will have to try some and see what works!
     
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  8. Lack

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    Try luxilon alu power rough with Toalson Leoina 66. Good spin, control, durability, and comfort
     
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  9. anubis

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    Here's a tip to change your just "OK" top spin to "amazing": use a smooth, slick poly in mains around 52 lbs, and a smooth synthetic gut in the crosses @ 56 lbs. You'll get great string movement and snap back, which enhances your top spin.

    Poly suggestions (16g):
    Solinco Outlast
    Tourna Big Hitter Silver
    Isospeed Pulse


    Syn gut suggestions (16g):
    Gosen OGSM
    Babolat Nv. Y
    Prince Original Syn gut
     
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  10. keithfival

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    Two hybrids that worked great for me for taking huge cuts with control are:

    BHBR/Forten Sweet 48/54

    SPPP/Prince Syngut Duraflex 50/56

    Swing for the fences with no fear.
     
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  11. Rabbit

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    I am currently using Prince Syn Gut Poly Blend @ 58 and it is very promising. Another plus is that it's $5.25 a set.
     
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  12. illzoni

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    Can you tell us how that works?

    Thx,
    Jon
     
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  13. mikeler

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    I get the most spin from shaped strings. My thinking is that the shaped strings "grab" the ball providing more spin than the snapback effect you get from the smoother strings.
     
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  14. nirianto

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    Would crossing shaped poly with a syn gut (Gosen) reduce the spin effect compared to crossing them with a smooth poly or even shaped poly?
     
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  15. fgs

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    i have played full poly, poly mains with both syngut and with multis, and there is, in terms of spin, very little difference between the setups. if you string them up at the same tensions, obviously the stiffer stringbed a full poly would give let's you think that you get more spin, but then the ball just stays short.

    another thing i noticed, obviously related to my game which is pretty heavily topspincentered, full poly beds last less then any of the hybrids, and this by a pretty big margin, like 3hrs full bed poly to 5hrs poly mains / multi crosses.

    some of the synguts are really going down in tension a lot after the first session, and the stringbed becomes very difficult to control. also some synguts are notching the polys more and some less, but none made the mains last longer than when crossed with a multi. i have to admit that i have not played many multis as crosses so far, so i'm basically taking about the mantis comfort synthetic as a cross.

    the reason why i'm on the search currently for another cross is that i go through the mcs in about 2hrs. so after each hitting session i restring crosses, by the second session the mains usually break but the crosses are also about to go. there are some variations depending on the intensity of the practice, but in the last few months, playing on clay, i have never gotten past 5hitting hours max.

    i'm trying to find a syngut currently which keeps tension at least in tune with the polys i test as mains and have not yet been lucky. durability of a 1.25 syngut pretty well matches the durability of the 1.25 poly mains i usually use, but when the syngut starts going down, the stringbed pretty much falls off a cliff. some synguts did it within the first hitting hour, very few have kept up pretty well until the third hitting hour, but none so far has gone through the second session reasonably well.
     
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  16. anubis

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    There are two schools of thought, as far as spin production is concerned: Smooth and shaped polyester strings.

    Shaped polyester is thought to grab the ball well, so you're looking for a high ball to string friction ratio.

    Smooth polyester (that is very slick and slides over the cross strings easily) creates spin through the movement of the string, and it's "snap back". That is to say, the ball pushes the mains to the side, and the mains snap back into place as the ball leaves. This string movement also creates spin.


    Shaped polyester strings generally don't move very much. They tend to have a higher friction coefficient. So they are not going to create spin through string snap back.

    However, smooth poly strings still contact the ball, and they still grab the ball -- they just do it slightly differently. So you get the ball to string friction, AND you get better string movement and snap back. Therefore, you get the best of both worlds.


    Lastly, as far as synthetic gut crosses are concerned, try to only use slick, smooth nylon strings that do not inhibit string movement. Strings that are sticky, rough, textured or gummy will tend to grab hold of the poly mains and keep them there, preventing them from moving. Some examples are: Dunlop Hexy Fibre, Babolat Xcel, Technifibre X-1 Biphase, Technifibre NRG.

    Other nylon strings such as Prince Premiere Attack, Prince Original Synthetic Gut and Gosen OGSM are smoother and slicker. They aren't sticky, and allows for greater string movement.
     
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  17. illzoni

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    Are you pre-stetching that SG?
     
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  18. fgs

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    yes. i do it nevertheless not as scientifically as travleajm but do it the "old fashioned way" using the doorknob and my own weight. i pull about 20 times, then i take it to the stringing machine. on the machine itself, which is a constant pull, i pull against the string again, so there is another stretch occuring.
    i do the same thing for the multis.

    as a matter of fact i have been very surprised to find out on twu that apparently the prince original syngut has a very small overall tension loss. the two crosses i played have been so far the worst in this respect, being on the edge of unplayable during the first hitting session. so far the gosen ogsm 17, the genesis blizzard 1.25 and the pro's pro dyna power 1.25 have kept up pretty well until the end of the second session, when they also broke. we are talking here about a time span of not more than three-four days generally - i keep them for a day after stringing before taking them out, and if it doesn't rain we look at three days, if it does i usually got to play the next day, so four days has been the max. the strings have been in the stick for the past four-five months.
     
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  19. mikeler

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    Hey, I see in your signature you are using my setup (even the tension is the same). How do you like the spin of it? Also, how do you like the 5G?
     
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