Looking for something that's like the Babolat APDC, but isn't the APDC....

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  1. Torres

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    Love the APDC's:

    - strength off the ground
    - easy access to spin
    - free power

    Dislike the APDC's:

    - stiffness
    - tinniness
    - lack of feel

    ...and I hanker for a bit more feel, touch and control for angled volleys, drop shots, and drop volleys.

    Would prefer something:

    - in a similar or higher static weight class
    - similar or marginally lower swingweight
    (I don't like racquets that are too light or too low in swingweight)
    - I'm not hugely keen on 100sq" hoops but would consider this if its a truly great stick that meets all the other requirements.

    What do you suggest, racquet formumites, and why?
     
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    Pacific Xfast? Yonex Vcore 100s? Prince EXO3 Tour? Mantis 300?
     
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  4. Torres

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    Actually, I should have said that I'm after something:-

    - in a similar or higher static weight class
    - similar or marginally lower swingweight
    (I don't like racquets that are too light or too low in swingweight)
    - I'm not so keen on 100sq" hoops but would consider this if its a truly great stick that meets all the other requirements.

    (original post now edited)
     
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  5. Mister drool

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    Greetings, have you looked at the aeros stroms? I have a huge crush on trying those, but never came to it. I have tried (closer to what you might like) the volkl pb 10 295, with is stiff yes, but not the least bit uncomfortable. Very forgiving frame, exclente touch and feel, but very very string sensitive. Best played with some multi in the mix of even full multi, but that is for my taste. Another one might be around the likes of ncode pro open, with is a lot, and I mean a lot more soft than the k factor version. Very good for spin as well almost as good as the babolat, excellent racquet for serving bombs, but not as good as the volkl at the net. The volkl is sooooooo well balanced, you would not believe. Never tried the 325g version, it is probably better but you never know until you try.

    Anyway I only know about these two that are closer to the babolat. And yes I had that one as well, and ended up selling it because I did not liked the hollow felling of the frame. Nowadays I play with the k90 or the pro staff tour 90 …. Go figure…
     
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  6. Power Player

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    I'm thinking you would really like the pdr. It reminds me of an easier to use 6.1 and doesnt feel hollow.

    You could try the juice as well. I have not tried it, but it could be what you are looking for.
     
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  7. YesTennis

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    Hey PP- couple of questions for you. 1. Do you need to be a "beast" to use the PD Roddick as compared to he regular PD? 2. Is there a huge difference between the PD and the APD Gt, or do they play fairly similarly? Thanks in advance
     
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  8. Power Player

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    I don't think you need to be a beast at all thankfully. It swings rather easy and is much easier for me than the 6.1 which is just another awesome stick.

    The new pure drives feel a lot better to me than any other pd or APd. They are just more comfortable and have a better sweetspot. I have some pro opens and was pretty much thinking i was going with them before I demoed the pure drive and was addicted.
     
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  9. scotus

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    Isn't there a Pro Supex model that is a copycat of APD? It is supposed to be more comfy.
     
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  10. YesTennis

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    Thanks! That helps a lot
     
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  11. Meaghan

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    Did you get my email about a hit?

    Try the vc95d mate big booming power, cushioned stiffness, esp with added weight, leather and lead in hoop. Touch I like, crisp, not unlike 6.1 95
     
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  12. lightflow

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    How about the Head IG Instinct MP, similar specs but lower swingweight
     
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    IG Rad Pro.
     
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  14. Dgdavid

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    On paper at least, maybe try the Babolat Pure Storm Tour GT 2011. 98 sq inch head, 320g unstrung (same a PMP), approx 343g strung, thinish beam (21mm), 16x20 string pattern, 6 pts head light.

    ps. yes I am biased because I am about to list an immaculate one for sale but it does sound like the compromise you are looking for. Probably going to be selling a 3 day old PDR 2012 too but the PST sounds better for what you asked about.
     
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  15. roundiesee

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    I think I agree with this. Haven't tried it myself, but I did hit briefly with the IG Radical. The feel is almost Prestige-like and the power wasn't bad at all. So logically the slightly heavier Radical Pro with an Open pattern might be your answer.
    Good luck :)
     
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  16. mawashi

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    I did hit with the Rad pro and it is heavy... its sw is very high and unlike the apdc it doesn't swing easily.

    If you are partial to modding your sticks you could seriously consider the PD2012 , pure storm or the pro open and mod it up to specs
     
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  17. A Defenseless Creature

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    Have you explored the Solinco Tour 8?
     
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  18. li0scc0

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    Donnay Formula.
    Easy on the arm, great power and spin. Added bonus that the net feel is fantastic. My wife switched, after 3 years with the same Prince, to the Formula and isn't looking black.
     
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  21. roundiesee

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    Mawashi, I was referring to the IG Radical Pro, was this the one you tried?
     
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  22. mawashi

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    Yes, just recently it's still heavy n sluggish to me. 3 pts hl n 330g sw thats not an easy stick for me to hit with.

    I also hit with the YT rad pro and that was really heavy too me as well. I think that had an even higher sw of 345g?
     
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  23. Xonemains

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    Torres, the stick you are looking for is the Donnay Pro One 97.

    Power, control, comfort, spin, feel is quite good.

    Please demo and let us know what you reckon.

    IMO, better than the IGRP.
     
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  24. tistrapukcipeht

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    Yonex EZONE Xi, somewhat similar to Aero pro in what you're looking, but with great feel and much better overall racquet, I'd demo this one.
     
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    Thanks for comments - some interesting suggestions.

    I'll have to put together a play test list, but I'm intrigued by the Tecnifibre frames, not least because I haven't tried them before.

    Anyone have any experince of the:

    T-Flash 315 (c331g strung) - this seems to resemble the ADPC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHbQUyHsOXE&feature=related

    T-Fight 320 (c336g strung)
    - obviously more of a players stick, but potentially a open version of my 6.1?
     
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    I would certainly give the Gamma RZR 98T a try. Im playing with the RZR 100T and really like it. Similar to the Babs but without the harsh feel of the babolat. Yes the 100T is pretty stiff but it doesnt feel that still at least to me. I think that 16X18 string pattern must soften the feel. I wasnt expecting the the frame to be great at the net but I really like the way it volleys. With the significant swing weight you just get the racket behind the ball and you can crush it.
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  27. Shangri La

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    You just described the Donnay Pro one perfectly.
     
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  28. BHiC

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    I would suggest either the Dunlop 300 Tour or 400 Tour. Similar weight, the 400 tour is 11.4 oz, 100sq" head, and the 300 tour is 11.3oz and 97sq" head.
     
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    Torres,

    Re the TF SF 315, I seem to be in the minority in really liking this frame in most respects - big power, big spin, very nice oomphing serve, PLUS, it's more solid and stable than the APD (my primary frame), and I liked the silicone handle feel too. Where it fell down somewhat for me was I found it swung a bit sluggishly. In defensive mode, I just couldn't quite get the timing down - and that's even after leading the grip to make it more head-light. Still, that's just me. Bottom-line: if an APD or PDR is your cup of tea, check it out.

    Re the TF 320, as I think a few people have described it, yes, a lighter 6.1 is a good description IMO. Again another frame with a wide open pattern, masses of spin, lots of power, and this one swung really sweetly for me. What wasn't quite for me was a slight tinny metallic feel. Then the clincher - as much as I wish it wasn't true sometimes, I'm better off with a bigger head-size really.
     
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    the pro supex dynamic energy is softer and heavier
     
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    Thanks for the comments. Does it play stiff and tinny, or is better than the APDC in that regard?

    And can you remember where the distribution of mass is throughout the frame? What does it resemble in terms of the way that it swings? That's a key thing for me as I don't like racquets with mass distributed in extreme or quirky ways ie very polarized (eg. Volkl PB10), alot of mass in the throat (eg. Dunlop 200 Lite), or even mass except the tip/upper hoop (eg. Prestige MP). Racquets like that just feel half-baked to me.
     
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    Yes, this is the one I was referring to earlier.

    This is the APD copycat from Pro Supex.
     
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    I used to have one of those. Definitely nothing like the APDC. Very little pop, very little spin, closed pattern, and with a quirky low sweetspot, but nice(r) racquet once its weighted up by another 20g+ or so. I wouldn't mind having a swing of it again - its nice to go back to an old racquet sometimes - but have since sold it.
     
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    That Donnay looks intriguing - a sort of cross between a tweener and a pure players stick? A bit of a crazy oval hoop http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/Kal-El34/2012-01-27_16-07-05_595.jpg (which I'm not actually a fan of) and more of a HH balance than I'd like, but that should be easy to correct with a heavier grip. I wonder if its going to lack a bit of 'beef' - static and swingweight seems lowish. I'll think I'll add it to my playtest list along with the IGRP. Thanks for the tip. Thought your comparison with the RP was useful: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=422264 The other Pro One thread was also useful: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=408173

    Lots of interesting sticks available at the moment.
     
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  35. tlimster

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    Try the Donnay Formula 100. It is closer to the APD than the Pro One.
     
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    All in with OG and you'll likely be around 341 or 342g. I moved to this stick from the apd and they don't play much alike.

    It's a welter weight version of the blx 6.1 95: lighter and a bit more user friendly.

    Hits a big ball and is versatile but doesn't have much feel.

    Balance is nice at 31.9cm and it comes around really fast. Even when jammed out wide to your FH, you still can easily get enough on the ball to stay in the point.
     
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  37. Power Player

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    Did you ever put gut/poly in the APDC? I can't see how that would not make it better.

    The PDr feels like butter with gut mains.
     
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    ^ Not yet, but will probably try that at some time before making a decision on the APDC - nice playing stick but soo stiff and tinny. Was contemplating saving the gut/lux for my 6.1 as its mega pricey but that gut livens up that closed pattern nicely but its probably going to have to go on the APDC for one last whirl...
     
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    Its really worth doing. Main reason is that if you like it, and it is close, but not quite solid or buttery enough, you should definitely go to the 2012 PDR, and that will do it.

    And if you use cofocus crosses, it will feel a lot better. That lux dies way too fast for me to use as a cross.
     
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    What about the Babolat aerostorm gt
     
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    Hard to answer definitively for a few reasons, but I'd say similar in that regard.

    And re your second query, I'm afraid my biggest problem with the SF 315 was that sluggishness issue I mentioned - too much weight in the hoop or whatever it is that makes you late defensively and makes you feel the need to add weight to the butt cap to get it swinging to the ball quicker (for reference, I've encountered this previously with the YT Rad Pro). Maybe too quirky for you?
     
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  42. LanEvo

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    I would say the Pro Open, but IDK how the PDR would throw in with its stiffness.
     
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  43. downdaline

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    Check out the Prince TT Warrior. It's an old stick, but it's got that extra feel and touch on volleys.

    On paper, the Prince TT Warrior and Babolat APDC have the same specs, even stiffness. But it doesnt feel stiff at all.
     
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    I remembered playing around with the softest 100 sq in frame ever, the Gamma T7.

    If you can get your hands on one of these you'll understand why. 20mm box beam 100... man what a waste I didn't buy them b4
     
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    I agree, that's a very nice frame indeed. Pure Drive type of power, but way better control, comfort and feel in a 97 sq inch head size.

    Another option, that hasn't been mentioned in this thread AFAIK, might be the Dunlop Biomimetic 500 Tour.
     
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    Rough playtest list (in no particular order):

    Wilson Juice Pro - I like the idea that it might be cross between a tweener and pure players stick
    Babolat Aero Storm Tour GT - slightly more player orientated version of the APDC? A bit stiff?
    Donnay Pro One 97 - no preconceived ideas about this
    Head IG Radical Pro - no preconceived ideas about this
    Tecnifibre T-Flash 315 - easy hitting, baby! Well, potentially....
    Tecnfibre T-Fight 320 - more accessible open patterned 6.1? (no, this is nothing like the APDC, but it just seems intriguing).

    Maybe a couple of Yonexes but I doubt that I'll have time, otherwise I'll be playtesting forever.

    If there's anything glaring that I've missed off, do let me know...
     
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    PSTGT what else lol!
     
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    ^ I thought about that but its 350g though, by the time you OG it. Doesn't sound like an easier hitting alternative to my 6.1. I might as well just find a 16x18 of my 6.1.

    Then again, if its good enough for Pete.....
     
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    True but you could also demo the non tour version and lead it up accordingly.
     
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    Volkl Organix 8 315, Dunlop 400 tour, Yonex VCore 100s ( Volkl is the closest spec wise) but in all reality nothing really comes close to an apd ( except for the Pure drive and from what I hear the 2012 is much healthier for your arm)
     
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