Looks like Federer was Right after all...

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  1. GasquetGOAT

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    ...about Murray.

    Murray bashed Federer when the master told him to be more aggressive. Look who was right Andy? Master tried to help you to become a better player but you didn't listen, did you now?


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    BTW anyone think Marin Cilic sounds (as in voice) like Federer?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpgUYHdxjPs
     
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  2. wangs78

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    Great post!

    I think Andy will learn from this. But he's missed a lot of opportunities already. He'll be 23 next year and still w/o a Slam...
     
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  3. All-rounder

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    OOOOO In your face Murray you just got owned by the maestro
     
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  4. sureshs

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    Why does Federer have a losing record against him?
     
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  5. stormholloway

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    Check the slam scoreboard once more.
     
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    There is no love lost between the two, thats for sure. You have to have respect for your the game and your opponents. Murray and Djoker both trash-talked Fed and look what's happened to them.

    McEnroe, Connors etc may have hated each other on court, but they respected each others game. Compared to Fed, Murray is a talentless hack and doesn't even know it.
     
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  7. Defcon

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    No one cares about tuneup's.
     
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  8. AlexTennisAllDayLong

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    because federer can care less about some record while he got 15 grand slams and counting, and Murray did not stop him from winning not one of them.
     
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  9. All-rounder

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    Why is Federer through to the QF and Murray is out.
     
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  10. drwood

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    Stefanki said the same thing publicly about Murray after Roddick beat him at Wimbledon. Maybe now Murray will listen...
     
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  11. drwood

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    He doesn't have a losing record in 5-set matches, which are obviously the most important and where playing defense exclusively isn't good enough in the modern game to win 7 matches in a row.
     
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  12. danb

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    Don't you think is kind of late? He just hasn't developed any big guns. That is done when you're 15-19 not now. I just can't see Murray coming back and hitting Fed/Del Potro/Cillic/etc-like forehand.
    The only (relatively easier) improvement he can make in his game would be the second serve. There he has a chance.
     
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  13. shadows

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    If Stefanki coached Murray he'd be a slam winner by now
     
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    To quote Federer, "Slams are a different animal".
     
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  15. danb

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    Who is this Federer??? Murray has nothing to learn from that guy. And when Federer says Murray is running too much and plays too much defense it must be a COCKY advice...:twisted::twisted::twisted: Murray knows better. He'll show you...
     
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  16. Lion King

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    OK folks, Murray ran into a player that was completely in the zone. The way Cilic played today he could have knocked out anyone.
     
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  17. drwood

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    Murray only needs to be a little more aggressive than he has been playing. Presently, its obvious he has about 3 gears -- pusher mode (which he does about 80% of the time), aggressive pusher mode (15% of the time), and attack mode (5% of the time). He does each of these well.

    If he became more aggressive, looking to end points from the baseline sooner, he'll be winning slams soon...he has all the shots, but you can't consistently win slams relying on opponent's UEs -- all it takes is an off-day by you or a blistering day by your opponent, and you're done for that slam.
     
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  18. flying24

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    Federer and Nadal have survived many matches vs opponents in the zone. If Murray cant do this atleast once a slam he will keep falling short.
     
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  19. Claudius

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    He needs to become an all out aggressive player.
     
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    Cilic served 24% 1st serves in the 2nd set, yet Murray only won 2 games...that's not exactly a zone. Give Cilic credit for his 2nd serve, tactics, and willingness to take it to Murray.

    This thread needs to be moved into the spoiler zone.
     
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  21. Emelia21

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    I remember Stefanki saying this and pretty sure JM said the same before US Open, I am not so sure Murray will listen, after all he is a very stuborn guy, hell even Judy Murray agreed with what Roger said and that made little difference, perhaps Murray should look for a better coaching set-up, they have got him fit, but thats about it :)
     
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  22. IvanAndreevich

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    Federer does. And he's said it over and over again.
     
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  23. stormholloway

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    Maybe he was in the zone for being Cilic, but he was by no means capable of beating Federer, Nadal, or even Del Potro. He played very well though. Murray just relied too much on defense. You can't always count on your opponents to make mistakes.
     
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    By all rights, Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez should each have an AO, they played crazy good those two weeks. What stopped them?

    Roger Federer.
     
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  25. raiden031

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    Just like Soderling was in the zone for the entire FO until he faced Federer.
     
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  26. VivalaVida

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    According to Nadal fans, Federer's suggestions to Murray were purely fueled by jealousy and bitterness. Federer was jealous of a guy with 0 GS?:lol: I seriously cant make this stuff up.
     
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  27. kaiotic

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    a f**king ugly hack at that with g sabatini's second serve. pathetic
    hype machine to the max..
     
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  28. フェデラー

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    sureshs can you stop trying to incite a riot? Federer destroyed murray and is clearly the superior player.
     
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  29. フェデラー

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    patrick mcenroe said that there is no way Murray can succeed unless he plays matches on HIS terms. every time he hit the FH with force it probably was sent out 5 feet.
     
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    Sorry, this is one of my pet peeves. :)
     
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  31. Mkie7

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    Yes Cilic was in the zone... but true champions will find a way and a plan B or C.... Murray didn't have an answer today.
     
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    He didn't have answer to Gonzales in FO and also didn't have answer to Roddick in Wimby. To win a slam, he has to beat anyone you face from round 1 to final, it's 7 of 5 set-matches. Murray's zone is in the Masters, less matches, less games, less tough opponent, just need to win a few and you win the tour. The slam is a long way, almost like compacting your whole career in just one tournament. Murray is still a level below players like Nadal or Federer, simple and plain.
     
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  33. coloskier

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    Same reason as Nadal, they hardly ever meet on fast GS courts. Wimbledon, USO, Murray always loses before or during the final. Nadal has done better with ONE win on a faster court (Wimbledon, AO is NOT a fast court).
     
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    If your counting non slam wins, you missed Dubai, but point made.
     
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    i say this is hard pwnage.
     
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  36. sh@de

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    LOL @ all those people who picked Murray to win the USO (didn't Agassi say he thought Murray would win?)
     
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    "You are as good as your scond service... "I heared hat once....
     
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  38. GasquetGOAT

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    He said that just to fit-in with the hype and didn't want to offend the Brits. but he was really rooting for Roger all along.
     
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  39. joeri888

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    Do you have where to find what Murray said when Fed said this? The interview or something?
     
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  40. GasquetGOAT

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    To who ever voted this thread 1 star, don't you agree Fed was right all along? Or are you just upset because Murray got b1tch slapped by Cilic?
     
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  41. GasquetGOAT

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    Yea there were a few threads about this on here. Can't remember the exact title.

    Basicly Fed said something like, Murray's game as being a grinder who only feeds off mistakes from other players and that needs to change if Murray wanted to stay on top.

    And to me thats exactly what happened, when the other player doesn't make mistakes you're toast.
     
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  42. joeri888

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    Yep, how did Murray respond to that comment?
     
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  43. lawrence

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    he responded with a straight set loss to cilic. LOL
     
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  44. Fedfan1234

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    I think he was right, but Murray might learn something and play more attacking tennis in the future. In the end it might be a good thing he lost.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7276154.stm
     
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  45. GasquetGOAT

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    I recall he said something along the lines of, he does make adjustments but only when he needs to. And by beating Fed a few times it proves whatever he does works (meaning pushing and pushing). So what Fed said about his game is trash talk only because Fed lost.

    We now all know how that turned out in the end.

    and this.:twisted:
     
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  46. RFRF

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    correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  47. jwbarrientos

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    Yeap, previously I only saw that in a couple of games, but against Andy he was able to be in the zone for sets!!!
     
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    ^^^ Bull. Del Porto played much better then Cillic today. he would have wiped Murray as well. If you got to see it in person you would see what the commentators saw..

    Murray was hitting these mid court medium paced balls that today's big hitters (Cillic, Del Porto, Fed etc) can just POUND the crap out of.

    So it goes like this - Murray pushed some mid paced ball to the service line. Opponent turns on the ball and hits some more powerful shot. Murray struggles to get back and return that ball and hits another weaker shot. Then opponent hits a winner..

    Murray is just getting blasted off the court. He can only beat those guys when they are playing poorly. I think Murray is likely to slip back in the rankings.

    Guys have a handle on how to beat him now. He is like Hewitt but without the tough mental game and the sneak DTL winners..

    People can simply overpower Murray from the ground.. They just have to really play attacking tennis and really punish him for those mediocre shots he hits. Guys figured out Hewitt as well.. Murray will slip. When he tries to hit big like those other guys on the tour he just misses.

    Pete
     
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  50. He is a very good tennis player.
     
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