Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. JT_2eighty

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    That is it, yes.

    As far as your experience with multis being contrary, seems to be either because a) with the poly mains, you are able to swing out more, thus producing more spin, and/or b) with the multi mains, there is simply a difference in coating versus what is used in gut coating so that the string/string friction is higher with the multi main versus gut main. That, and gut being more elastic has more opportunity to glide laterally than multis will. More lateral deflection in general is what really enhances spin, but especially when this comes with minimal to zero notching.
     
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    Tried this tonight on my modded m-fil 300.

    Strung it at 35lbs M/C with MSV Focus Hex 1.10 compared to my regular tension of 50/52.

    1st impressions (drilling for an hour plus somes games) very favourable.

    Felt soft and comfortable with lots of controlable power. Topspin excellent with more evident on BH side for me which I usually hit quite flat.

    Strangely I was able to hit a nice rolled 1hbh with this set up with much more consistency.

    Slice low and skiddy (I play on grass primarily)

    Volleys took some adjustment and I put the first few in the net but after a while I found direction and placement to be good.

    Sweetspot seemed to be enlarged which I think helped with volleying.

    Serves were great with lots of pace and penetration. Didn't hit many second serves as the first serves were going in for the most part but the ones I did had good pace and spin.

    The one thing that was not as good was that I am now suffering a little elbow soreness which I do not with this string at normal tension.

    All in all a thumbs up for me
     
  3. levy1

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    Chris, what poly and gauge are you using?
     
  4. lendlmac

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    I Have the following set up and it works well for me..

    1990 - Lendl Mizuno
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    ALU Cross @38lbs
    Redcode Main @46lbs

    1985 Dunlop Max 200G
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    ALU Cross@ 38 lbs
    Redcoe Main @46lbs


    Just got in my Lendl Adidas GTX PRO T
    80si
    Am stringinig it as follows:
    ALU Cross @36 Lbs
    Babolat Gold @ 46lbs

    Pure Power, Touch, Feel, Heavy Plow Through-feel, great spin, no torque instability, no shanking, etc... Love it!!!
     
  5. W1L50N=B3A5T

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    I got 16g lux adrenaline in a KSix-One 18x20 at 46 lbs.

    My first day with it, i have to say its really something different. It seems like a super trampoline effect if you dont swing fast. I believe its true what other posters have said. Low tension is really suited for fast strokes.

    It actually felt low powered to me. When i swung fast, there was plenty of spin. A lot of my shots were either really short or a couple inches from the baseline.

    hopefully i will adapt. Should be an interesting experience.
     
  6. tegg02

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    I have a Lendel Adidas CF25-G Mid, which is the lesser version of the GTX I think, but am amazed when I go back and use this as to the amount of feel, touch and yes plow through the ball this racket has. Proberbly realeased in the mid 80s. I have many new technology rackets that are much more powerful but this can hold its own. If a new racket realeased today with this type of feel, it would have any amount of BS techno crap attached to it, yet this came out in what, 1985.


    Anyway my query is what advantage is it to you to string you crosses so far under mains tension????
     
  7. levy1

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    You might want to read the post on how low can you go. Chris from TW setteled in at 35lbs with poly
     
  8. BC1

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    Will poly at a low tension (30-40) last longer. Or does it go dead just as quick regardless of the tension?
     
  9. Big Server

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    Been using Cyber Flash (47#) and SpinX (51#) in my DNX8. Will try a few lbs. lower with the Cyber Flash but will keep SpinX the same as it suffers from massive tension loss regardless of what others say. But wish to know other's experience with multi's and synthetics with low tensions of say around mid 40's. These type strings already move a lot at 52# but from your experiences will they move much more at lower tensions still OR will it be pretty much the same?
     
  10. nickarnold2000

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    I would guess that with less tension on the string, it should last longer. Can any of you technical guys answer this?
     
  11. Kunohara

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    Yes, poly lasts longer at lower tensions.
     
  12. AllDownTheLine

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    I'll never return!

    I just tried one of my Prince Speedport Tour's strung at 34lbs with
    Tourna Poly Big Hitter Silver String 17.

    It took about ten minutes to get used to it and now I can't go back to 53lbs,
    I tried the normal sticks and put them down after 3 shots.
    I'm hooked! I may try 42lbs next just because I skipped it
    on the way to 34lbs.
     
  13. TW Staff

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    Mostly Volkl Cyclone 16. Currently one of my favorite polys.

    Chris, TW
     
  14. smirker

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    I'm in the UK although it's pretty rare to have a club that plays on grass even over here. Sure a different game to high bouncing hard court. Had to learn S&V which is not my natural game.
     
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    Need to try this Cyclone string...
     
  16. shogun90

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    I've tried poly/multi hybrid combo @ 35/37 in a Ozone Tour & Rebel Team, I'm going back to a multi @ 50/52 because my game consists of more feel and I find that blocking back shots and volleys just doesn't give me the touch I need. The low tension combo is great for full swings though.
     
  17. Bendex

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    I have a 12 year old student who insists on having RPM Blast. If I string it at about 45 do you think it'll give a little guy enough power without sacrificing too much control?
     
  18. Mig1NC

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    Any news on the prof testing with a gut mains poly/co-poly cross? I'm curious to see how the ultra low friction but also low stiffness combined with high elasticity affects spin generation.
     
  19. DavidGarcia

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    One medical question here.

    Do low tensions lead to elbow or wrist problems?

    Just curious. Dont wanna find out in the hard way. :-(
     
  20. Gene1994

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    I loved stringing in the 40's but I just love the control 60+lb tension gives me. :D
     
  21. Kunohara

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    No.

    If anything, it should be easier on the elbow/wrist than stringing at, say, 55-60.
     
  22. Kunohara

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    What racquet is he using ? If he's 12, it might not be a good idea to combine poly strings with a stiff racquet (as the case may be).
     
  23. GPB

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    I might go even lower if he insists on using the poly. If he asks what tension to use, tell him it's an experiment and you don't want him to know (so it doesn't skew his opinions).

    That said, there's a 13-yr-old here in my town who always gives me a close match. He uses full poly (it's red). If I were stringing his rackets, I'd suggest something else, but it works for him.
     
  24. Danstevens

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    I would have thought that they would be more arm-friendly than higher tensions - the stringbed at low tensions isn't as stiff. I personally don't suffer from arm problems but I really cannot see how low tensions would cause more elbow/wrist problems than higher tensions.

    Whilst I'm here, I might as well update my findings. Recently, I've been hitting with one of Pim-Pim's RDX500 mids. First I tried full Blue Gear (I think at 32 lbs but I'm not 100% sure). To be honest, this wasn't massively successful, the racket suits a flatter hitting style and perhaps needed a slightly more powerful string setup to get the most from it. I'm running out of string at the moment so I didn't have much choice when I came to restring today. In the end, I went for Pro Supex synthetic gut (16G) mains with Kirschbaum Spiky Shark (1.25mm) in the crosses. I strung it a bit tighter - 37 lbs. I'm hoping that this setup will feel a bit better in the RDX500 than the Blue Gear did and that I've strung it tight enough so that it isn't a rocket launcher. I must admit though, I'm not too hopeful - I bounced a ball on the strings and whilst this isn't the most accurate test in the world, it did seem rather springy. I might get the chance to try it tomorrow morning so I'll find out for sure then.

    The next setup I'm going to try (when the stuff arrives) is Ashaway Dynamite mains with Alu Power crosses. I'll decide on a tension when I've had a chance to try my latest attempt at finding perfection.
     
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    Well that shows what I know then. I've just got back from the club and I must say, the hybrid in my above post completely blew me away. As said, I was expecting it to be a cannon and for me to have no hope of controlling the ball. For the first hour or so, this idea was correct but I persevered with it and once I got used to the stringbed, I really enjoyed it. This setup is definitely powerful but it's power that you can control. Once I had a feel for it I was absolutely crushing the ball. Slice was also surprisingly good with this racket, it really seemed to bite in to the court, stay low as well as breaking to the side quite noticeably due to putting side spin on the ball.

    Top spin wasn't as significant as my previous setup - full Blue Gear but then I'm not sure any string currently on the market is capable of that so I won't hold it against this hybrid. After the first hour (which was pretty dreadful), I was able to produce enough top to keep the ball in court and retain reasonable control over it. Most of my groundstrokes today, as with the previous session were on the flatter end of the spectrum and I suspect this is how they will stay for the foreseeable future; low tensions are still serving me very well though.

    After hitting groundstrokes we played some tie-breaks. My serve was absolutely atrocious. In three tie-breaks I managed to hit about 3 decent first serves. I think once I get used to serving with this setup, it could be quite effective - I'm probably selling those three "decent" first serves a little bit short, I was suitably impressed with each of them. I got good kick on kick serves and good movement on slice serves as well as more than sufficient pace when I was trying to hit flat bombs; consistency with the serve was the only problem. Consistency, of course, is quite a major problem being probably the most important factor with the serve but it's probably the easiest one to sort out after changing to a new setup, I think I just need to hit some more serves and get a better feel for it. To be brutally honest, I haven't hit many serves with the RDX500 mid yet so serving wasn't really a fair test. With some more time to get used to the racket and strings, I do think that this setup could work quite well on the service.

    The one thing that struck me when hitting with this setup was the level of comfort. It was incredible compared with even other low tension setups, I don't suffer with arm problems but you can tell what's stiff and what isn't and this most definitely isn't. It was like hitting with a big pillow or something.

    I haven't had a chance to seriously volley with this setup yet, I do wonder if it will lack a little control on some of the more awkward volleys but I won't find out for sure until next time I play.
     
  26. nickarnold2000

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    I was using a hybrid of Tornado 17/Sweet 17 at 36/38 in some leaded up Becker Pros but have recently increased the tension to 40/42. I'm trying to hit with more pace by increasing racket head speed and felt I needed a little more control. I've played with the new setup 2x and I'm liking it so far - and the strings don't move around as much as an added bonus!
     
  27. thebuffman

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    Chris I am a little confused by your post. You originally said "Correct" to having gut mains and poly cross. You concluded your post with saying you prefer poly mains (i assume gut crosses??). Please clarify if you would.

    I am currently running with a Global Gut / ALU Big Banger mains/cross setup at 50/48 #'s. I do not like it as the gut acts completely like a trampoline and is not tamed at all by the poly. Control is terrible as I spray the ball pretty much all over the court and can hardly ever hit or come close to hitting my target. I will probably head back to an all gut setup at 57#'s but was interested what benefit adding a poly cross would give.

    edit: (nevermind 2nd question: The TW Prof was just in here and he has found that gut mains with a poly cross offers an extremely low (the lowest so far tested) friction, so the potential for spin is great. You just have to find the right tension for control. )

    Thanks for entertaining my questions Chris.
     
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  28. corners

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    String it at 20 pounds. Chris is swinging Cyclone at 35. Cyclone is quite a bit softer than RPM Blast. Chris is quite a bit bigger, stronger and more advanced than your 12 year old. 20-25 sounds about right.
     
  29. Bendex

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    It just seems like such a wild thing to do. What if I strung it at 40? It's a Junior Aeropro Cortex.
     
  30. beststringer

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    40 is too high if u wnat some wicked slices
     
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    If it is still not clear, maybe this will help: There's more spin potential with the gut in the mains. However, I couldn't find the control needed with gut in the mains. That kept me from swinging fast and maximizing spin.

    With poly in the mains, I had more control, could swing faster and get more spin. Even though in the lab this is not showing to have the same spin potential.

    The end result was this: I could have the lowest string friction on the planet, but if I'm holding back on my swing I'm never going to get as much spin.

    Faster swings make the ball spin faster. With the poly in the mains I can swing faster.

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    Recall that Chris is a full-grown 5.0 player that once trained at the Bollettieri Academy. He is swinging Volkl Cyclone, which is significantly softer than RPM Blast, at 35 pounds in a MID.

    Volandri beat Federer three years ago with full poly at 20 pounds! That's a wild thing to do. :)

    Your guy is much smaller, wants a stiffer string than Chris uses, has a bigger frame and swings slower. Give 20 or 30 a try. Remember, Federer himself uses gut/poly at 40 pounds. That's a significantly softer stringbed than you want to put in a twelve year old kid's racquet. If Fed can control gut/poly at 40 I think your guy can handle RPM Blast at 20-30, IMHO.
     
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    Been reading quite a lot on this, and have tried some upper 40's myself before, but mainly interested in this approach for my daughter. (If this has already been covered somewhere in the last 29 pages, I apologize.)

    She is a sophomore in college playing Div 2. She uses Prince Shark OS (110) racquets, and has used NXT 17 for years. She loves the feel/pop, but her school is not liking how fast she is breaking strings. She can burn a set in just a few days. They tried to get her to go poly, but it hurt her arm and she did not like the crisp feel...plus lack of power. She hits a bit flatter, but would benefit from more topspin capacity. And her game is best when she gets to net. Long baseline rallies are not her forte.

    I'm thinking this may be a good option for her, in that it could accentuate the topspin she does have, maintain some pop, and allow her to use a poly without arm issues. All that to say I can't find anything in this thread about taking this approach for OS racquets. Is there any correlation between the lower tensions and head size, recommended tension range, racquet stiffness? Seems like a lot of the racquets being referenced are flexy mids. The Shark OS range is 45-62, so not sure if I should start her at 30#, 35#, or higher. We normally string the NXT 17 @ 52 lbs.

    Thanks for any feedback/thoughts.
     
  34. Kevo

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    10SDad, I would consider a hybrid first. Maybe something like Topspin Cyber Blue would be a good poly to try. I'd try it on the cross first since that will maintain more of the cushy feel from the NXT. You'll probably want to start a couple lbs. lower than the NXT and adjust from there.

    I think full poly, even at low tension will be a pretty big change, but it's not a bad option. She'll just have to try it and see.
     
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    Just had to report that I have had Technifibre Black Code 17guage strung in my Head Prestige MP for approx 2 months now @ #32lbs. I have hit with it for no more than 20 hrs.

    This string has not lost its tension yet and to my surprise is still playable. I am getting incredible spin on the ball. I would always find myself going for this stick as opposed to my usual gut setup and really didn't know why. It is like I stayed drawn to this low tension black code setup (I have it in a full bed). Lately, the spin I am getting on my forehand has been insane! It is because I am finally learning how to play with this string. Because my racquet is already low powered and the string as well, I have to take full cuts at the ball not the controlled cuts that I take with my normal setup. Some balls I hit even amaze me especially a down the line winner I hit the other day to my opponents backhand. The ball landed about a foot in front of the baseline and then I heard my opponent go "WHOA!" The ball literally leaped up over his racquet head high and smacked against the back fence. My 1hbh has been sensational as I can just rip it without thought and know that it will always land with pace and kick. And my serve, which has always been a strong point of my game, did not degrade but in fact I've found that I can go after the ball more on my serve. I actually made it through an entire set without 1 double fault using this setup and that is nothing shy of a miracle for me. I am the double fault king!

    The thing I did not like was accuracy and net play. I have to begin changing how I play net and punch the ball more emphatically with this setup than with my normal gut setup. I don't dump balls into the net but I end up giving my opponent lofty balls that sit up for them to attack which completely defeats the purpose of net play. This is alterable but I just have to put more effort into my volley game. The ball also sprays on me more than I like. I cant put it where I want it a lot of times and for that reason I am planning to cut it out and put some more black code in at #38 full bed.

    This stuff has been great to play with. One weird thing though is that my package says 17guage however my stringometer shows it to be 16guage. Is it possible for string to be actually larger than what is labeled? very confusing
     
  36. Wilander Fan

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    Interesting thread. I once had a dodgy stringer string my Babolat APD Cortex at 42lbs when I asked for 58 with Lux BB. It played like ****. Serious trampoline effect and no control. I could only keep the ball in play using heavy topspin. Maybe 40 is kind of no-man's land for stringing?

    The constant loss of tension and need to restring (I play 5-6 hours a week) are making me consider going for something cheaper and more durable rather than the recommended hybrid config.
     
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    I can't get enough pro red code 18g at 32lbs.!!!!! Can't believe I'm saying this, but my old reliable poly polar is too soft. For feeding, I'm still using global gut crosses at 34lb, but high output play 32lb redcode is really something else.
     
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    Wow, that low? Crazy.... Might have to try it for fun someday.
     
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    I've been reading this thread with some interest since its inception and finally took the plunge yesterday to see for myself! I have played with BigAce, BlueGear and hybrids at normal tensions in the past.

    My regular setup is full (Global) Gut (60+ lbs) in my Prince Speedport Tours. Strung one of my racquets up with a very cheap mono poly 1.20mm @ 35 lbs on my crank. Main stick snapped on a shank so the low poly setup actually got 2 hours of playtime till end of practice.

    On a side note, the gut in my main stick was strung since Feb and would have broken very soon (lots of stringsavers in place already) anyway. So tension must be already a lot lower and I loved the gut at this lower tensions, heck found my form and won a doubles tourney with it even. Next gut job will be @ 50-55 lbs I figure.

    Back on the low tension poly playtest:
    - very comfortable, soft bed as gut
    - lots of cupping, dwell time
    - wow it has feel (and it's poly)

    i just hit with my normal strokes. Groundstrokes were unbelievable. This allows you to swing freely and rewards swinging as fast as you can at every ball. Easy access to depth, balls were landing in and right in front of the baseline. Monster spin and ball trajectories led to both me and my hitting partner gawking.

    Topspin and slice is where this setup really shines. Topspin shots had more net clearance and were dive bombing into the court and over opponent's shoulders. Slices were good as in either low skidding, penetrating or defensive floaters with massive sidespin.

    There is a downside however: whenever I opened the racquet face up in order to generate even more spin or when needed to whip the bal in from half-court it would sail long. Seemed this setup was unable to grab the ball enough for this purpose. When hitting a running FH or BH, this would generally lead to an easy ball midcourt. When stretched or on full defense, this setup lacked what I like to call power-on-demand that gut has: not enough power for wrist flick actions i.e. when on full defense better go all-out ball whacking Nadal style. Directional control could also have been better, requires proper preparation or else the ball would sail long or shank.

    Volleys: I could volley OK enough though nothing compared to gut. Hard shots were tougher to handle and dipping shots/half-volleys were hard to control. I'm used to gut for my volleys so nothing surprising here.

    Serves: Tons of power available. First serves require dialing in though but ball action very visible, just toss and fire away! Second serves also easy to spin the ball in but I did not feel at ease to swing fast fearing rocket launch mode.

    Returns: requires hitting the sweetspot else moonballs or homeruns. Also not a lot of control for blocking.

    I did notice the vibrations that people have also posted about. While a dampener would get rid of the high -frequency stuff, I must question how bad these vibrations are for your elbows/shoulders?! :confused:


    Conclusion: the use of poly at low tension certainly has its merits esp. for the heavy spin player. But there are enough disadvantages so definitely not a easy way out to improve your game :twisted:

    I will keep this setup in one of my sticks just for fun, a sort of joker card.
     
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    I've been reading this thread with some interest since its inception and finally took the plunge yesterday to see for myself! I have played with BigAce, BlueGear and hybrids at normal tensions in the past.

    My regular setup is full (Global) Gut (60+ lbs) in my Prince Speedport Tours. Strung one of my racquets up with a very cheap mono poly 1.20mm @ 35 lbs on my crank. Main stick snapped on a shank so the low poly setup actually got 2 hours of playtime till end of practice.

    On a side note, the gut in my main stick was strung since Feb and would have broken very soon (lots of stringsavers in place already) anyway. So tension must be already a lot lower and I loved the gut at this lower tensions, heck found my form and won a doubles tourney with it even. Next gut job will be @ 50-55 lbs I figure.

    Back on the low tension poly playtest:
    - very comfortable, soft bed as gut
    - lots of cupping, dwell time
    - wow it has feel (and it's poly)

    i just hit with my normal strokes. Groundstrokes were unbelievable. This allows you to swing freely and rewards swinging as fast as you can at every ball. Easy access to depth, balls were landing in and right in front of the baseline. Monster spin and ball trajectories led to both me and my hitting partner gawking.

    Topspin and slice is where this setup really shines. Topspin shots had more net clearance and were dive bombing into the court and over opponent's shoulders. Slices were good as in either low skidding, penetrating or defensive floaters with massive sidespin.

    There is a downside however: whenever I opened the racquet face up in order to generate even more spin or when needed to whip the bal in from half-court it would sail long. Seemed this setup was unable to grab the ball enough for this purpose. When hitting a running FH or BH, this would generally lead to an easy ball midcourt. When stretched or on full defense, this setup lacked what I like to call power-on-demand that gut has: not enough power for wrist flick actions i.e. when on full defense better go all-out ball whacking Nadal style. Directional control could also have been better, requires proper preparation or else the ball would sail long or shank.

    Volleys: I could volley OK enough though nothing compared to gut. Hard shots were tougher to handle and dipping shots/half-volleys were hard to control. I'm used to gut for my volleys so nothing surprising here.

    Serves: Tons of power available. First serves require dialing in though but ball action very visible, just toss and fire away! Second serves also easy to spin the ball in but I did not feel at ease to swing fast fearing rocket launch mode.

    Returns: requires hitting the sweetspot else moonballs or homeruns. Also not a lot of control for blocking.

    I did notice the vibrations that people have also posted about. While a dampener would get rid of the high -frequency stuff, I must question how bad these vibrations are for your elbows/shoulders?! :confused:


    Conclusion: the use of poly at low tension certainly has its merits esp. for the heavy spin player. But there are enough disadvantages so definitely not a easy way out to improve your game :twisted:

    I will keep this setup in one of my sticks just for fun, a sort of joker card.
     
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    lightner you experience sounds a lot like mine. i am planning to bump up the tension from #32 to #38 with a full bed of Technifibre Code Black. I am hoping to get more control on my shot from the baseline and a cleaner hit at net.

    I would love to stay with a low tension poly however I am not certain that this will be doable as I develop my net game. I am learning to serve and volley because I have a big serve. Not being able to capitalize a nice volley from the service line as I am coming in is a bummer.
     
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    With good form and enough practice, you should be able to bring your volleys up to speed. Changing a variable in your equipment more often than not requires some patience to adapt properly, IMO.
     
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    hopefully so. the thing i am not liking currently is the effort i have to add when at net to get the same results that i get from a #57 full gut bed. but i will give it some time and see how it goes before making a final determination. thanks!
     
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    Full gut is the most powerful setup you can get. When I was doing my gut experiments I was stringing at 65lbs. instead of my usual 55-58lbs. and it still seemed too powerful for me. It was really difficult to string any higher than that since the clamps wanted to slip and I was afraid to clamp it too hard for fear of damaging it. In the end I went back to poly. There were several things that gut was noticeably better at. Power on serves, volleys, and comfort. I doubt you will get a poly to serve and volley as nice as full gut no matter what it's strung at. They're just two entirely opposite ends of the string spectrum.

    I play mostly on the baseline and I break strings fairly regularly, so I like full poly. However if I were to change my game to serve and volley, full gut would probably be my string of choice assuming the breakage level went down a bit.
     
  45. smirker

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    Good post and almost a replica of my experiment of MSV Hex 1.10 at 35lbs.

    Loved the easy access to masses of spin but too unpredictable for me. I play mainly doubles so require accuracy on returns and the ability to vollley.

    Found it too unpredictable at low tension. The odd ball would sail on me and volleys were very hard to control.

    Cut it out last night and replaced with a multi/syn gut hybrid for my match today.

    Interesting though and I might do it again for the sake of having a spin set up for hard court singles.
     
  46. Andrew Claycomb

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    To the folks liking poly at 35,

    Would it be a bad idea for a beginner such as myself (playing on a cheap $15 Wilson from Target) to switch to a low tension? I'm still learning the basics, so I'm not planning on restringing this racquet, just move up to a better racquet and start at a low tension when the time comes.

    Or would that mess up my game development?
     
  47. drak

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    A possibly important soft stringing and STRING PATTERN TWEAK. Six weeks ago I tried my PB9's at 35, liked the groundies and plush feel, volleys and serve were a bit tough to adjust to.

    I wanted a softer feel and bigger sweetspot from the PB9, BTW I use WC Turbotwist. So my thought was to string one racket "normally" at 48/46 lbs and the other at the same tension but with TWELVE MAIN STRINGS (leaving off those closes to sides) and one less cross string at the top and bottom.

    The results were interesting: I much preferred PB9 with less strings (12 mains), remember this is the exact same racket, strings, and tension. It played noticeably softer than the regular configuration, felt somewhat close to the 35 lbs job I had done 6 weeks ago, but I had great volley feel (hugely better than 35 lbs) and serves were an easy adjustment.


    The big thing for me was the "cupping effect" of feeling the ball on the strings longer, it was noticeably better with the 12 main string PB9. I really liked it - no trampoline at all. I felt I had better control, spin, and definitely feel with the racket at 48 lbs with 12 mains than my normal 58 lbs, a big difference. Comfort was excellent.

    Conclusions: I think I have now added another possible important parameter besides string tension, eliminating some mains and crosses to allow the string bed to feel and be softer and "cup" the ball without having to string as low as 35. I will experiment with the 12 main config at some different tensions in the weeks ahead.

    I encourage some of you to try this, especially with 100sq in or less head sizes.

    Note: Some may have concern for frame integrity, I have a hard time imagining a problem with that with rackets strung under 50 lbs. Just my opinion.

    Drak
     
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    OS strung at 30 lbs

    After reading Chris's posts I strung up one of my POG OSs at 30 pounds with my usual string, Polylon SP 17.

    For reference, I usually string fairly soft already, at 55#, which is low in a 107 square-inch frame.

    At 30#, I found amazing spin on topspin groundstrokes, slice from both sides and kick and slice serves. It was an immediate and noticeable difference.

    However, I am moving more toward a S&V style game, with fewer heavy top groundstrokes (e.g., forehand has moved from SW to Eastern) and found the setup ultimately to be lacking in control for this style of play. I went back to one of my other POGs at the higher tension in the middle of a USTA match when I started spraying my volleys and have not revisited the super-low tension.

    If I were still playing primarily from the baseline with heavy top from both sides I think this would be a super setup.
     
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    drak,
    Interesting post. We are in the process of testing this with only every other cross string installed -- all main strings installed.

    You can reduce the stress on the racquet by lowering the tension of the main strings to equal the lower stress on the frame horizontally from the fewer cross strings. That should prevent your racquet from going round or worse, breaking. For instance, 35lbs on mains and 50lbs on the crosses should make a 16x18 pattern feel like it would at 35lbs full stringbed (This is according to the TW Prof).

    I will be hitting this set up either Thursday or Friday.

    Chris, TW
     
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    Cool Chris, I thought about every other cross and I might try that too, keep us posted. I don't know if I want to go that low on the mains, I like the feel of the 12 mains a lot on all shots, really got that "cupping" feeling and volleys were outstanding. The ball "sunk into" the strings but surprisingly there was no trampoline effect on the way to the other side. This is fun

    Drak
     

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