Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. Orion3

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    Well the bhbr didn't turn up today so am not going to be able to review until later in the week. I did however, get the savage strung at 38lb and can report that the spin generation is...awesome.

    I was a bit concerned that a looser string would give me too much power and coupled with my gradual move from a SW to an eastern grip I would hit everything out of the court. Pleased to say that pretty much everything stayed in - the extra topspin has been amazing so far.

    So far, very, very good.
     
  2. rjw

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    Well, I finally played with Black Magic in my apdgt at 40/36 and it was pretty nice.

    Balls that I hit badly, that would normally sail out, pretty much flew out further, but everything that I hit well had more spin, pace and depth and I hit a lot of corners.

    Serve seemed a tad weaker, but volleys were actually almost unreal.

    I hit a ton of touch volleys off of balls that were coming at me with a lot of pace. I could just suck it up and drop them over the net to both sides!!

    I've only strung /hit with 2 polys prior to this, Black Magic and Head Ultra Tour , both in my son's sticks and at 57/54.

    At 40/36, the sound off the racquet is somewhat interesting, but not irritating (no dampner).

    BM is advertised as a soft poly, but when stringing, I find it to be much stiffer than the Ultra tour. Also, it can kink very easily and when tying knots at such low tension, they are tough to get any air gaps out of the actual knot.

    Another hint that this poly is not all that soft is that I had literally no string movement at all??? with nrg2 and OGSM, at low to mid 50's required fairly regular readjustment of strings.

    Anyone have any comments on how Black Magic measures up to other polys, with respect to stiffness?

    I am going to string my other stick with the same BM at 35/30 and see how that goes.

    All in all, I'm very happy with this string/racquet/tension setup, so far.

    It should definitely help improve my strokes, in that if I don't promote enough spin, and hit the ball hard, it will sail.

    return of serve was actually not bad, considering all this.

    More after day 2 with lower tension (hopefully by tomorrow)
     
  3. rjw

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    35/30 worked out just great!!

    Serves, volleys ground strokes, it's all good.

    No elbow problems and just loving it....

    Thanks to the people who suggested this!!
     
  4. eman resu

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    I've never broken a string. I restring my ozone every 3 or 4 months, when the string starts to move around too much for my taste. I currently use Kirschbaum competition 1.25 at 58. Does it make sense for me to go low? I mean, won't it become too loose and weird in 3 months? Is low tensions only for those who string often, that is, only for fresh strings?
    I was thinking about getting a cheaper Toalson polygut 1.30 at 40 too see how it plays...
     
  5. mikeler

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    Black Magic is the softest poly of the 7 or 8 I've hit with.
     
  6. rjw

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    Do the rest of them kink so easily? Head Ultra tour didn't
     
  7. anewtypedude

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    Do you think stringing low would benefit a doubles player? I play mostly at the net.
     
  8. THAAS909

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    but what level players and what kind of game do you have that you ares stringing at 20-30 lbs.....:?
     
  9. mistapooh

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    No way, not when feel is a priority.
     
  10. Fuji

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    I'm a 4.5 and I play all court tennis!

    Whenever I play with poly, in full beds, I have to keep it around 30-35lbs to keep my arm happy, and it seems to be working pretty well! Even in an APD! :) Just hitting with a bit more spin and a bit more power is a great benefit. The only negative I can thing of is that volleying is a bit more difficult, but it's not a huge adjustment from fully synthetic set ups.

    Plus being able to "bend" shots around net players and approaching players is something that I'd rather not give up! ;)

    -Fuji
     
  11. Fuji

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    Depends on what type of net player you are! If you are more of a bank back most shots, and really punish others, then higher tensions would probably be better. If you like to bleed off pace and do a lot of droppers and such, I prefer lower tensions. The only thing about lower tensions is the response is a bit unpredictable! :)

    -Fuji
     
  12. rjw

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    This is like everything else, basically subjective

    I read quite a few posts in this thread where people didn't like how low tension poly volleyed, but I felt the exact opposite.

    As stated elsewhere, poly doesn't turn into a rocket launcher at low tensions (like multis and syn), and I actually loved how my volleys felt.

    Mind you, I've only played the one poly at 30-40 lbs and I'm barely a 4.0 player, so take that for what it's not worth....lol

    If you string for yourself, then it's worth a shot, otherwise.....???
     
  13. rjw

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    I'm an all court player.....do you really find the response unpredictable?

    Amazing how opinions differ...I also play apdgt's
     
  14. rjw

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    Yesterday was my 3rd day playing BM at 35/30 in an apdgt, well actually 40/36 on the first day, but so far I am liking it more and more.

    I get enough extra spin to keep my topspin forehand in the court and with a fair bit more pace and enough extra back/side spin, to keep slices deep and low. My topspin backhand also lands deeper, but still barely in.

    Had to adjust my serve a bit, but it's also working pretty well and as posted above, I like the feel of volleys ,especially drop volleys and even drop shots from the baseline. I am also hitting a few more angled winners from the line.

    If my arm doesn't start hurting, all is good , so far.
     
  15. Orion3

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    BHBR is now strung at 38lb, playing on Thursday weather permitting - will report back after.
     
  16. rjw

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    If you like 38, try low 30's
     
  17. kaiser

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    Looking forward to your review, am very interested in how BHBR performs at low tensions! Which gauge are you trying?
     
  18. Orion3

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    17g. I deliberately went for 38lb as I'm assuming a 20% tension drop in the first few weeks
     
  19. Orion3

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    .....so expect to be playing at tensions around 31-32lb in a few weeks.
     
  20. rjw

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    Just remember if it goes dead then your arm might go south...

    Many only get 6-8 hours out of poly...some less than that....but if you aren't a BIG hitter, then surely more.
     
  21. kaiser

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    Been playing for some time with Tornado/Hyperion @ 40/38lb and recently SP Hextreme @ 36lb in my 4D200Ts. Liked the last setup best sofar. Given the reviews I read on BHBR at normal tensions, one might expect some crazy spin at low tensions...
     
  22. Orion3

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    I hit a very heavy ball with a SW grip but am changing to a more eastern grip; the new tension seems to be giving me much more spin so whilst I'm now hitting a flatter ball with as much power as I had 20 years ago (pretty hard) I seem to have as much spin as I had 2 weeks ago with a SW grip.

    If I get 6-8 weeks, so be it. At this moment in time I'm still experimenting, so it will nice to see how long poly strings last at low tensions.
     
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  23. rjw

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    If you get 6-8 weeks out of a poly, then you either play 1 hour a week or you hit like grandpa playing moon ball doubles....jk :twisted:

    My 24 year old boy got 4 hours out of Head Ultra Tour...at 57 lbs
     
  24. Orion3

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    Understand that, but how long will it last strung at 38lbs?
     
  25. rjw

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    Not sure just yet....my pair at 40/36 and 35/30 have maybe 2-3 hours on each.

    I'm also new to poly @ low tensions
     
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    Hello, first post here, I'll wade right in.

    I have a Wilson BLX 6 one tour. It never occurred to me to string it at as low as this, but I string at 50 (the bottom of the recommended range) and I find that the feel and control of the racquet are much better than in the middle of the recommended range.

    I find tightly strung racquets feel dead to me, like playing with a board.

    I do not accept the common view that tighter strings give a player more control. This is not my experience.
     
  27. nickarnold2000

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    If you have a poly in the mains and hit with some topspin, you should be able to string even lower.
    Before, with syn gut, I found lower tensions equaled less control but not with poly.
     
  28. Orion3

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    Should be playing tomorrow, so checked the tensions...interesting.

    My EX03 tour strung last week with Luxilon savage at 38lbs is now at 27lbs

    My EX03 tour strung yesterday with BHBR at 38lbs is now at 34lbs

    I also checked my Rebel 105 strung with Savage at 58lb a months or so ago and this is now sitting at 44lbs.
     
  29. rjw

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    What are you using to determine tension ?
     
  30. Orion3

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    Racquettune App on my iPad!

    Great toy and seemed reasonably accurate (compared with a tourna stringmeter when first got it)
     
  31. rjw

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    forget stringmeter...imo
     
  32. Orion3

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    I just got back from playing.

    Started with the savage and thought it was still pretty good. Good control, excellent spin really happy with it...still lost the first set though.
    Second and third sets: Tried the BHBR stung EX03 tour - what can I say...fantastic. Control was great and the spin!! I hit the highest kicker of my life; ad court to my opponents backhand, landed plum in the corner and ended up over 6ft high as it jumped past his racket and then outside of the tramlines.
    I've got to take some credit - it was a great serve, but the bite from these strings was unreal.

    Also, hitting heavy sliced drop shots from my backhand from behind the baseline - wondrous! I won an entire game with sliced deep, deep, dropshot. These shots were stopping dead and one even bounced back towards the net.

    All in all, I'm a convert - can't ever see me going back to high tensions.

    Also, as much as I loved the savage, it BHBR for me now all the way. Its the best string I have ever hit; personal preference I know, but I'd chose it over natural gut. I'm going to order a reel in the morning.

    Only criticism of BHBR...I wish it came in black!

    Oh, and I won in 3!
     
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    So no issues with controlling the extra power? In other threads pvaudio and Torres both doubted that BHBR could be strung as low as regular polys because it is inherently more powerful and responsive. According to pvaudio you only gain additional power as you string lower than 45. However, I don't know if either has actually strung at 38 as you have, and by the sound of it, you didn't have any uncontrollable power issues...
     
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    First time I've hit BHBR, so can't compare directly, but I honestly didn't notice much difference in its power compared to savage strung at 38lbs. Nor did I notice much difference in power with savage strung at 58lbs compared to savage strung at 38lbs.

    I cut the savage out today, it had dropped down to 25lbs and put in BHBR, this time a 40lbs to see if I could notice a difference on Sunday when I play next. My first EX03 tour strung with BHBR is now down to 32lbs (from the original 38).

    The BHBR seems to hold it's tension much better than the savage; I guess it's a little stiffer.

    I hit 40 serves today with the BHBR and the kick is wild; I wonder if it's the same at higher tensions? I may get my next restring done at 45lb to see if there is a noticeable difference.




    As an afterthought - I do hit a heavy ball, so it's possible that this would help control any additional power; but honestly I've not noticed anything dramatic...other than lots more spin.
     
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    You're getting me pretty excited, I want try BHBR at low tensions now too!
     
  36. Orion3

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    Best string I've ever hit.
     
  37. eman resu

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    How heavier would a 100 sqin, 16x18 be from high to low tensions? (like 58 to 38)
     
  38. eman resu

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    Did you cut the savage just because you liked it better with the other string or because it started to play bad?
     
  39. Hominator

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    Anyone having arm issues with poly in the 30s or 40s? Thanks.
     
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    Yes....not sure why yet....

    I have Black Magic in apdgt's for about 4 to 5 hours each. Tensions of 40/36 and 35/30

    After my last 2 hours with the lower tension (35/30), I felt some pain in my shoulder, back and a bit of tingling in my arm.

    I'm not sure yet if it's the lower tensioned racquet is too low for me, or if the strings are going dead or possibly unrelated??

    I am told that the life of this string is 6-8 hrs if you are a hard hitter, which I don't think that I really am.

    I'm not dumping it quite yet....will continue to hit with the 40/36 stick and see what happens.

    Played again and had no arm, shoulder , back problems at all after using both sticks for around 1 hour each. I am getting to the potential dead time, now having over 6 hours play time on them.

    I think that my body pain was from having lifted a bunch of heavy metal pieces for a couple of days...lol....

    Darn work is interfering with my tennis...

    Also picked up some Hexonic 18 and 18l to test as well as some Maxim Touch...
     
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  41. kaiser

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    Nope, arm feels fine.
     
  42. Orion3

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    I preferred the BHBR. Also, I wasn't happy with the speed the savage lost tension. That said it was still playable
     
  43. Orion3

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    Think I misunderstood you.

    At 58lb I hit a ball with a lot of topspin, at 38lb I hit excessive spin with he same stroke.

    I play with a 100sq inch head
     
  44. CDestroyer

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    What level do you play man?
     
  45. eman resu

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    hehe, no, I was indeed talking about grams. But nice info, thanks.
     
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    I'm from the UK so we don't have levels as such, we have ranking levels but you need to compete to rise....and I haven't competed since I was a junior before I discovered girls, smoking and parties. Quite smoking, but still have the other vices!

    Reading the definitions on line I guess nowadays I'm a 4-4.5. As a junior (30+ years ago) I would have been higher.
     
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    Played again this morning. One EX03 tour now at 32lb and another newly strung at 40lb (already dropped to 38lb)

    Comparison - the 32lb hits a very heavy ball, good control and comfortable. The 38lb hits heavy (but not as much spin) on groundies and serve, but with seemingly better placement control. I have not had the chance to remeasure the tension yet but am expecting a drop, probably to 34lb).

    Going forward I'm going to stay with BHBR and get new strings in at 40lb. After a couple of games I'm expecting the tensions to live in the low 30's until they die...but have no idea how long they will last? Anyone have any idea how much longer poly's last at these lower tensions?
     
  48. OTMPut

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    I am dropping polystar energy out of the low tension experiment. It is a great string, but for just couple of hours. Playability plummets sharply thereafter.
     
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    That's exactly what I've found. It's a great poly. Good power level, incredibly soft, but loses tension way too quickly and becomes unplayable. Spin goes to zero and power level increases so control is a big problem.

    I've found Tour Bite to be excellent at low tension. I'm currently using it in my Donnay X-Dark Red (94 sq. in. head) at 35 lb. Even as it loses tension, the spin potential still remains high and the power level stays moderate. In fact, the strings actually go "dead" rather than increasing in power, so you can still hit with control. I can usually get 2 or 3 more doubles matches out of a "dead" stringbed before I have to restring.
     
  50. Orion3

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    Thought I'd give you an update on the tension loss on BHBR.

    1st EX03 tour was strung at 38lb a couple of weeks ago and played with 2-3 times. The tension on this is now 31lbs

    2nd EX03 tour was strung at 40lb around 10 days ago. Again played with 1-2 times (but with a little more playing time) the tension on this is now 32lbs.
     

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