Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. yourmailman

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    I get about 36 hours of play out of the Gosen Micro before I start feeling a change. I can usually go another 10 or 12 before I feel the need to change it out.

    The Zo Verve seems to last a lot longer.

    I am actually impressed that the thin Gosen (18g) string doesn't seem to break as often as the 17g I was using. I am guessing that the lower tension is a factor. When I was up in the 60's and 70's, I tended to break at least one string per month. I am playing a lot more now, and rarely break a string.
     
  2. Povl Carstensen

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    Wow, thats a lot...
     
  3. Rozroz

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    ridiculous time till 'death'... how many hours a week?
     
  4. yourmailman

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    About 12-15 hours a week. So about 3 weeks.
     
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    Chris already addressed this question earlier in this thread. If I remember right, his feeling is that he would really prefer low tensions, but because of his job at Tennis Warehouse, he frequently has to test frames that are strung at "normal" tensions, so he decided not to play exclusively with low tensions.

    But I could be wrong. Bottom line is that Chris started this thread because he found some very attractive characteristics of poly at low tensions. Whether or not he decided to stick with the low tensions is inconsequential. For me, low tensions are wonderful. I play with Polystar Energy and I restring (myself) every few matches. My game play now is higher than it's ever been, mostly due to the string and frame setup. My strokes haven't really changed in years, but my game has improved overall because of my equipment. No doubt about it.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter whether or not Chris stayed with low tensions. Other people have. I have. It's terrific.
     
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    I played my league last night with my 30# Biomimetic 100.

    It felt great and I hit some wonderful shots. I lost, however, 6-3-,6-3.

    There was not nearly as much string movement as I noticed earlier, and my opponent hit some pretty hard shots. I kind of did myself in by serving too many double faults.

    I am really liking the extremely low tension. Can't wait for my Code Red to get here.
     
  7. Rozroz

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    yea that's what i remembered.. something about testing racquets..
    anyway, i don't really care who uses it.
    if it really works and also extend the poly life for a few hours, it's a no brainer.
    can't wait to try it out. hope it'll work for me though, as i don't like the general poly 'feel' so much.
     
  8. roadworkky

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    Now that's just crazy! But I may try it too
     
  9. fortun8son

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    Careful. If you go too low, you may hit the resonance frequency of the frame and you'll start vibrating like a cartoon character. :lol:
     
  10. v-verb

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    Now that's funny! I can picture Wile E Coyote vibrating now!:)
     
  11. fortun8son

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    Acme Super Genius Poly.
     
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    Brilliant!!!
     
  14. fortun8son

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    He has an endorsement already?

    Maybe Warner Bros. would like to get into the string market.
    Would be a best seller.
    Acme Racquets and Strings.

    Roadrunner Red
    Tasmanian Devil Spin
    Foghorn's Rooster Power
    Wrascally Wrap ( avail. Carrot Orange only)


    Sam's Six.gun Tour 95
    Fat Opera Singer 118in Racquet
    Speedy Gonzales Pro 98
    Tweety 21, 23, and 25.

    Try to tell me that you wouldn't buy them. I Double Dog Dare Ya!

    Sorry for the hijack of a serious thread. Carry on.
     
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    ACME announces new tennis gear ...

    Today, ACME announced a new barrage of tennis gear and clothing that should be on the market by the first of the year.

    The flagship of their racquet line will be the Wascally Wacquet. A medium powered 95" beauty that will be predominantly grey with orange highlights.
    The Wascally will additionally come in three other sizes, 98", 102", and the 108" model for older player.

    In addition, they announced a clothing line based on their number one customer, Wile E Coyote. They will be offering polos and crews in mostly brown, with areas of tan and white. Much like the famous LaCoste emblem, these smart looking outfits will have a likeness of Mr. Coyote on the left breast area. The will also sport a SUPER GENIUS patch on the right sleeve.

    As mentioned above, various grades of string will be offered as well. The roadrunner red co-poly (tentatively called "Meep-Meep"), and the Tasmanian Devil textured string just called "Spinner". There is also a natural gut string that is reportedly made of duck (when in season). All racquets are designed to be strung at between 30 and 35 pounds.

    Not stopping there, ACME will also introduce a highly technical ball machine that can shoot balls at over 100 mph, and double as a rocket for chasing down your opponent after the match.

    For the kids, two lines will be produced ... the "Tweety" for 21" and 23" racquets, and the "Chicken Hawk" for 25" racquets.

    As for shoes, ACME has leaked rumors of rocket powered sneakers to help slower players move around the court. These may be a little late coming to market, due to "faulty shut off switches". Insider reports claim that Mr. Coyote was seriously injured when his rocket shoes failed to shut down, and he was propelled through 6 fences and the side of the clubhouse.

    Preliminary sketches of the racquets show the possibility of add-ons such as a laser sight, and tuners.

    ACME spokesman Elmer Fudd issued a statement earlier today stating that he thought "The new ACME tennis line will change the game in a vewy wadical way. We can't wait to see how Woger Fedewew and **** like our innowations."

    ACME CEO Porky T. Pig closed the press conference with his now famous "Ba-da, ba-da,ba-dat's all folks!"

    Mr. Fudd added "Be vewy, vewy quiet .... I'm hunting winners."
     
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    The kids racquets will also be available in Babs and Buster PJs.
    Piddie vibration dampeners... when you're out of stock, you can say " Uh-oh! Wan out of Piddies!"

    We'd better stop before the anvil drops on us. :lol:
     
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  17. Rozroz

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    wtf is going on here?
     
  18. fortun8son

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    Just getting a little silly.
    Beware of tension that matches the resonant frequency of the frame, you will get some ugly vibration.

    There was a very early post on this thread about that.
     
  19. ART ART

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    Interesting, where can we find that info?

    Thank's
     
  20. corners

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    Chris Edwards, in the early blog psts, asked TW Professor about it. I've encountered it around 25 pounds.
     
  21. yourmailman

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    My Biomimetic 100 has no vibration at 30#. I am even thinking of removing the dampener to see what that feels like.
     
  22. ART ART

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    How can one find that tension?

    Thank's
     
  23. Povl Carstensen

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    How did that go. Sorry if it has been covered.
     
  24. corners

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    Other than by accidentally stumbling upon it, I don't know :(
     
  25. yourmailman

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    Povl,

    The PD107 is my MD partner's. We don't play again until Monday night. I will report back.
     
  26. v-verb

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    Well I got my Prince Boron (only in OS) and POG mid back from the stringer today - RPM Team 17 ga in each. I asked for 40 lbs in the Boron and 38 in the POG.

    So I got Racquet Tune (assuming it's accurate) and measured. 50 lbs for the POG (12 lbs more than I asked) and 61.4 lbs for the Boron (18.6 lbs more than I requested). I guess the Stringer thought he knew best:mad:

    And he broke a couple more grommets on the bottom (2 were already broken) and scratched the frame a little on the Boron. Oy vey....

    Next stringing I'll have to find someone else.

    So... the low tension experiment is on hold for me for the time being, unless the tension lowers over time.
     
  27. gmatheis

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    who the heck strings your rackets??? some big sports store?
     
  28. v-verb

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    Nope, the local tennis guy here. I'm near Toronto and he basically runs the town's tennis leagues and has a small pro shop.

    He's pretty good but I guess the kids he gets to string (juniors he coaches) aren't great at listening to what customers what and decided to string just under the low range of each racquet.

    They probably thought I had no idea what I was talking about - when I said 38 for the POG he wrote down 38 kg and I had to correct him to lbs. That would have been ridiculous playing a 38 kg (84 lb) tension racquet.

    Anyhow we'll see how the racquets play. I don't want to stir it up with him. I'll just take my stringing elsewhere.
     
  29. COPEY

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    A better move would be to buy a stringer, that way the quality of your string job is completely under your control.
     
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    That's a good idea! I'll look into it as my 2 racquets cost $76 to string today.

    Thanks!
     
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    Oh man...yeah, get a stringer, and soon. That's just crazy. The process is a little imtimidating in the beginning, but you soon realize it's pretty simple.
     
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    Thanks Copey!

    reading up on Klippermates as they seem cheap and reliable. Any other ideas welcomed!

    Off to get some Z's now - thanks again for that idea!

    nigel
     
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    No problem, and only one thing to add: consider buying the best stringer you can afford. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a Klippermate, not at all. The thing about the lower-end models is they're more labor intensive. Some don't mind it, have strung on them for years. Others quickly tire of the effort involved, then purchase a model with more convenience features and regret not going to a higher-end model to begin with.

    There are several schools of thoughts with purchasing a stringer for the first time. Some say buy a low-end inexpensive model to see if stringing is for you. Not a bad idea, except for the fact that the experience is completely different. I've strung on a Klipper, and for me, if that was first experience, I definitely wouldn't have enjoyed it lol. I would have continued of course, because the idea driving 40 min each way & paying good money to have it done was out of the question.

    If you play long enough and don't turn into a string junkie you'll recoupe the money on your investment if you opt to drop several hundred on a machine. Again, there's nothing wrong with the low-end models; they'll definitely get the job done. It's just that the more features you have the more enjoyable the process.

    I wish someone had convinced me to buy one years ago. It's one of the things I really regret. On the flip side, I'm glad I finally did. It's one of the better buys I've made in recent years.

    Regardless of what you end up buying you'll love the convenience and cost savings of being able to have a fresh string job any time the mood hits ya.
     
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    Go back to him right away.
     
  35. v-verb

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    Thanks Copey

    Great advice and highly appreciated!

    Can I ask what model you would recommend? A few hundred is doable - closer to a thousand not so much as I expect to probably string 4 or 5 times a year for myself only

    I would love to but here's the thing - he's the only game in town and it may be better just to leave it alone. I really don't want him or his crew near my racquets again - I can't get a new Boron if mine gets messed up somehow...

    And if I want to play in the town leagues I have to deal with him. He usually seems to be nice but lately he's been bad at answering emails so I'm thinking best to back away a bit.
     
  36. sundaypunch

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    Good advice.

    Once you string on a better stringer you will wish you hadn't purchased an entry level model. If you string one racquet a month you are probably better off with a Klippermate or equivalent. If you string multiple racquets each week you will be happy if you saved up for something better (if you can afford it).

    EDIT - I see that you only plan to string 4-5 racquets a year. You might go with an entry level model and then sell it if you decide to do more. Then again, once you have a stringer and can easily try new strings / tensions, you might find that you are using it much more than expected.
     
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    Also, check around for a higher end used machine. Many times, they are almost as inexpensive as a new low end one.

    There is a guy at my tennis facility that just sold a really nice used Eketlon for $300. At least that what he was asking for it, it may have actually gone for less.
     
  38. fortun8son

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    Gamma Progression ST II. Fixed clamps, 6pt mount, crank. $729
    Or you can go with a comparable, cheaper Eagnas/ Pro's Pro model for less.
    I did.
    You can upgrade to a floorstand and/or Wise later.
     
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    are there any 5.0 doubles players who like the low tension? How's it for volleys?
     
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    Ask Jack Sock! :razz: He won mixed dubs US open @ 38lbs!

    -Fuji
     
  41. v-verb

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    Thanks Guys! Great advice.

    I'm in Canada and checked around - slim pickings here as many stores won't deliver to Canada (Gamma) and not much for sale used. I might have to go the Klipper route - at least it will be USA made!

    Apologies for the derail.

    On the positive side (?) the tension for each racquet has dropped to 48lbs for the POG (6 less lbs) and 53 lbs for the Boron (8 lbs less) so although they are not in the high 30s as I wanted, they're closer than I thought they would be initially. At this rate they'll be in the 30's in a week:shock:
     
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    My MD partner got to try out her PureDrive 107 at 38 lbs tonight. She liked it a lot!

    Only a few of her shots went long, and her serve was really jumping. Plus, she didn't have nearly as many problems at the net as she has with it strung at 62.

    She also hit quite a few great shots that, in my opinion, she would have netted before. They cleared the net and dipped down with a goodly amount of topspin.

    Her only negative about the low tension was that it "sounds so different".

    My observations was that the only down side for her was on return of our male opponent's serve. Those were the ones that seems to fly a bit. Otherwise, her game was spot on with the low tension.
     
  43. v-verb

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    Very impressive!

    Yourmailman,

    What strings were she using?
     
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    I strung it up with Gosen OG 18g.
     
  45. v-verb

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    Interesting - a Syn-Gut. Have you ever tried a poly strung low? Apologies if I missed a post further back if you've supplied this info before
     
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    Haven't tried poly yet. I have a reel on the way (should be here today), so I am anxious to try it.
     
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    Which poly are you getting?

    Pro's Pro had such good deals that I just picked up a reel each of Blackout 1.24, Ichiban Spin 1.21, and Vendetta 1.20. I already have a reel of Plus Power 1.28.
     
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    TechniFibre Pro Red Code 18g
     
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    Ooh, good stuff. I use the 1.30 for chronic stringbreakers.
    It should serve you well.
    RedCode is pretty firm in the thicker gauges.
    I've been thinking about trying the 1.18 myself.
     
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    I'm going to try 18ga poly on my next POG mid I string up 35lbs I think.

    I did buy a stringer (Klipper) based on the recommendations of the good people on this thread, so after I mess up some scrap racquets, I'll do the 18 ga - probably will be RPM Blast 18 as there is no RPM Team 18

    Cheers

    nigel
     

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