Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. yourmailman

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    Okay. I am officially hooked on the extremely low tension in my Bio 100!

    Tonight, I played in one of my singles leagues. My opponent was a guy that I normally play pretty close. I have always won the matches, but is is usually 7-5,6-3 or the like. I have even dropped a couple of sets to him in the past.

    Tonight, I whipped out my trusty 30#er and proceeded to whip butt.

    I was able to get back almost all of his first serves, just by getting the racquet on the ball. I also had the increased topspin on my ground strokes that has come with the lower tensions. He had a hard time dealing with it.

    Long story short ... double bagel. I love this low tension!
     
  2. v-verb

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    Congrats!!! Double bagel is always nice!
     
  3. yourmailman

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    Yes it is. I looked back through my notes, and I think this is the first time I ever double bagel'd anyone in singles since I started back three years ago.
     
  4. tlm

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    Wow maybe you should string at 10 lbs. next and you will be ready for the tour.
     
  5. yourmailman

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    Oh, I am far from ready for the tour! I have hired a coach, a physical conditioning specialist, a PR manager, and a personal trainer. I'm holding off until I get some endorsements! ;-)

    Seriously, I have lost matches with the low tension, but I think my play has improved due to the difference from where I was a year ago (60# to 70#).
     
  6. yourmailman

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    Got one racquet strung with Red Code 18g at 30#. Will try it out tomorrow and report back.
     
  7. v-verb

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    Looking forward to the report.

    My match didn't go so well. I was trying some new contacts and was framing the ball for most of my shots - depressing...anyhow will be interesting to hear how you like the poly vs the syn gut
     
  8. yourmailman

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    Well, this is interesting . . .

    I like the Red Code 18g, but I think I actually prefer the Gosen OG 18g. Seems like I have a little more control with it. Could just be that I have gotten used to the syn-gut. Need more testing.
     
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    I also think I am gonna try a hybrid, with poly on the mains and syn-gut on the crosses.
     
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    I found a stray set of poly this weekend and for kicks strung it at 42 lbs in my PDR. After being really uncomfortable with it for awhile it started feeling better.

    Comfort level is great and it really helps my 1hbh along with the kick serve, you can really get after the serve.

    I'm going to use for awhile longer and see how it plays out, its definately easy on the arm right now.

    I've tried tensions at 48 lbs but nothing lower, I may try to hit the middle next time. There may be something to this lower tension poly....
     
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    Hey Lynnbart,

    Where's your sense of adventure? Try going lower. I feel much more comfort at 32 or 30 than I did at 46 or 44.

    No discomfort at all, and my shoulder used to get sore because of my funky flat hard serve. The lower tensions (low 30s) seem to just pop the ball on my hard serves, and my kick and slice serves are much better at the lower tensions.

    Try 30 or 32 and see if you like it. You can always go back up.

    I have now done several string jobs for people wanting to experiment with the extreme low tensions, and each has found that they really do like it, and that any problems they have had with soreness went away rather quickly.

    Tomorrow night I will have 3 strung at 30 for mixed doubles. One all syn-gut, one all poly, and one with poly mains and syn-gut crosses. So far, I have only played with the all syn-gut and the all poly, and I actually prefer the syn-gut for most things. Tomorrow will be the test for the hybrid. Hoping it will give me the best of what I like about both.
     
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    What gauge crosses are you using with that thin poly?
    I'd suggest OGSM 17 or Head PPS 18.
     
  13. yourmailman

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    Using Gosen OG Micro Sheep (18g) on the crosses. The mains are Technifibre Pro Red Code 18g.

    I have one more to do tomorrow. I am going to try co-poly (Gamma Zo Verve 17) in the mains and syn-gut for the crosses.
     
  14. fortun8son

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    ZoVerve is sooo expensive.
    Look for Toalson Rencon Devil Spin in the UK.
    Same string. It's worth the shipping.
     
  15. yourmailman

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    I have over a half reel of Zo Verve left that I bought when I ordered my stringing machine. It was a bit pricey, but I wanted to try a good co-poly, and it was my birthday. :)

    Thanx for the tip, though.
     
  16. fortun8son

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    It's a great string.
    Not $17.95 a set great, though.

    Hey, try that stuff @35lbs!
     
  17. sansaephanh

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    its weird... i would guess really low tensions with these super soft polys feel as mushy as prince rackets. I'm surprised everyone likes it so much. I must try.
     
  18. yourmailman

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    Believe me, I am surprised as well. I do like it though. Up until about a year ago, I was all the way up at 70#s on two of my racquets. I am shocked at how well the extremely low tension plays, and how easy it is on my arm.
     
  19. freddyfox

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    yourmailman. Thank you so much for your info. I too have a Dunlop Biomimmetic 100 as well as the Dunlop Aerogel 100 and Aerogel 4D 100. I really want to try low tensions (36lbs and less) using poly or syn gut but I don't know which strings of each type I should get.

    I was thinking Gamma Synthetic Gut or Forten Sweet Synthetic Gut.

    I'm clueless on poly though. What's a good yet cheap poly to begin this low tension experiment?

     
  20. yourmailman

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    The only one I have experience with so far is the Code Red 18g. It is about $10 a set.

    For synthetic gut, I highly recommend the Gosen OG Micro. $37 for a reel.
     
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    I'm at 33lbs with Black Widow 17. I'm getting some more Dunlop ICE in, and I'm going to try that.
     
  22. yourmailman

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    I have really grown to like the 18g in both the mains and the crosses. I am not a frequent string breaker. The majority of the time, I wind up cutting them out because they are starting to feel dead, or just to experiment.
     
  23. Centerforward71

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    Don't try it I'm warning you :)

    Genesis twisted razor strung at 36 on a drop weight machine. Plays great all the way down to about 28 which can be about 6-8 hours of play.

    I too played poly at 60+ and gut 62+. Been six months now and don't see going back.
     
  24. yourmailman

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    Update ...

    Didn't get the hybrid done today. I lost track of time and before I knew it, it was time to head out for mixed doubles.

    Tonight was round 2 for my partner and her Pure Drive 107 @ 38.

    According to her, it was "even better than last week". She also said she was excited about playing again. She had been a little discouraged with her net play. Tonight, she was popping them back for winners. She has also picked up a goodly amount of kick on her serve.

    I started out with my syn-gut 30# and was planning on switching for the second set. It felt so comfortable, and it was a tight match, so I stayed with it the whole match. I just wasn't ready to go to the poly and not feel as confident.
     
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    Nice update YMM!

    I hit my POG mid tonight - stringing has relaxed to 41lbs. If I keep my concentration, I can hit out and the ball lands in with room to spare.

    I was able to remove the rubber band - the racquet was too mushy otherwise. It was nice to feel the ball and the increased pocketing. No loss of control at all

    Looking forward to see if the tension settles in the 30's and see how it affects hitting.
     
  26. yourmailman

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    V-Verb

    I totally agree. I had a lot of fun tonight teeing off on second serves and ripping topspin winners. Plus having the confidence to go down the line with power off of a serve to the dismay of our opponents.

    My favorite shot of the night was off of a first serve. I play the add side and got served out wide to my backhand. I normally like two-hands on that side, but I was able to hit a beautiful one-handed slice that curled over the net and practically went sideways, landing in the alley in front of the net man, but because of the extreme spin, was a clean winner.

    I've said it before, but I will say it again ... I am liking this extremely low tension stuff!
     
  27. fortun8son

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    My two favorite synguts. :)
    OGSM 17 is a close third.

    Take a shot at Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17, Blue if you want more power.
    Solid strings. Great price by the reel.
    All of the Mamba/Discho strings work well at low tensions, too.
     
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  28. freddyfox

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    Forten Sweet is pretty sweet:) And not many players use it.

    Thanks for the poly suggestions. Have you ever tried Prince Tournament Poly?
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tournament_Poly_16_String/descpageACPRINCE-PTP16.html


     
  29. yourmailman

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    Fortun8son,

    Do you like the regular or the rough on the big hitter? I am thinking of getting a reel of the blue to add to my collection.
     
  30. sansaephanh

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    Get rough17 if you want a 18g. round 16=16. round 17=17. rough16=17, rough 17=18.

    Great strings imo, but if i'm going to try low tensions i want something stiff.
     
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    Thanx,

    Good to know. The Big Hitter sounds pretty good to me since I like the syn-gut at the lower tensions. It is a lot more affordable than the Code Red.
     
  32. RetroSpin

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    Interesting. Can I ask what level you and your mixed partner play at? I'm curious because i can't imagine using syn gut in an oversized frame strung that low. I would think it would be a classic missile launcher.

    I understand the poly. I haven't ventured into the 30's yet but it sounds interesting.

    BTW I really like BHBR17. Very unique poly from what I can tell.
     
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    Which polys work best with low tensions?

    I'm currently using BHBR16 in the high 30's, am happy with that, but don't have much experience with other polys at such low tensions.

    What is your favorite poly for a low tension setup?
     
  34. yourmailman

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    We are 3.5 players, and she didn't seem to have problems with the missile launch properties so many people think result from low tension. I will have to look at some video, but I think she actually hit less long balls than she was at 62#.

    Also, with the low tensions, a little bit of topspin goes a long way. That is to say, if you hit the same topspin that you did at a higher tension, you will have more topspin, and therefore, more balls will dip down into the court instead of flying long.
     
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    I should also as that I am playing up a level in one singles and in men's doubles. I think the low tension has helped me there more than in the 3.5 leagues.
     
  36. fortun8son

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    That's why my first suggestion was Silver, not blue. It's stiffer.
    There appears to be less difference between rough and round in the Silver than there is in the Blue.
     
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    thinking of trying these in upper 30s: B5E/syn gut, BigAceMicro(BAM)/syn gut, Gosen Polybreak/syn gut. any thoughts about these combos?
     
  38. yourmailman

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    Played tonight exclusively with my Bio 100 strung with TF Pro Red Code 18g.

    I still like the syn-gut a little better, but I do like the poly. It is a bit more stiff than the syn-gut, bit it worked well in our doubles match. The poly doesn't seem to to have as much bite on a one handed backhand. Other than that, it felt really good. I think I may actually prefer it against a big server. It seems to have a little more control in that situation.

    Can't wait to try out the hybrid with poly on the mains and syn-gut on the crosses.
     
  39. -Kap-

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    I'm sorry, but I just can't read your posts anymore... without trying it, myself! :)

    The outdoor season is quickly drawing to a close here in the northeast, but I'll follow your lead and take a chance with a full-bed of low-tension OGSM in the spring. (I've tried poly at 35# and loved it, but I'm weaning myself off of poly). I'd expect that you get some crazy string movement, but fixing strings between points is a small price to pay if the feel and performance is good.

    Thanks for all of your feedback, yourmailman! 8)
     
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    Kap,

    Thanx for the nice review.

    I am playing in a tournament this afternoon and I have my three weapons ready ... fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope! Amongst my weapon are ... seriously 3 Bio 100s at 30#s each, one syn-gut, one poly, and one hybrid.

    I'll let you know.
     
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    Oh man. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
     
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    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    I used all three racquets and I still like the syn-gut a lot. I also really liked the hybrid (poly mains/syn-gut crosses). The jury is still out on the all poly setup. It just seems a little too stiff, even at 30#s.

    My serve seems better with the hybrid, but I have gotten really used to the syn-gut and just really like the way it pockets the ball. When serving with the hybrid I had 3 aces, and my only two double faults were with the poly.Again, it could be that I am not used to it. Still need more time with it.

    Overall, I am still loving the low tension. I will have to try one at 20# or even 10# just to see how it fits my game.

    Stay tuned.
     
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    Low tension syngut= The Comfy Chair?
     
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    can you tell me a bit on what tensions you tried till you got to 36, and why?
    thanks.
     
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    LOL! Memory foam-soft :)
     
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    My biggest concerns are with volleys and drop shots. How were these from your testing compared to normal tension?
     
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    Actually, my drop shots with backspin are incredible at the low tension. I actually hit one the other night with enough backspin that it came back over the net before my opponent got to it.

    Volleys seem pretty nice as well. I don't feel I have to kill the ball to make a nice shot, and therefore I am hitting more angles on my volleys. Also, the ones I punch back without a whole lot of power from me, have enough power to get deep in the court. It took me a few times to figure that out, but once I did, I like it.
     
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    Do you think SPPP will be a good string for low tension? I am asking because it has very good tension maintenance. I don't want to string something at 35 and have it drop to 25 the next week.
     
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    Chris, was it 30 lbs strung on a crank machine or a dropweight?

    Also, has anyone tried a gut / poly hybrid at 30 lbs?
     
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    well i had my racquet strung at 40's with BHB7 :)
    anything i should be 'warned' about trying it the first time?
     

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