Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. yourmailman

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    Sorry to have not posted for a bit. Was busy interviewing for a new job, playing tennis, and a long weekend at work.

    So ... I strung up my PS 6.0 85 with Klip natural gut 18 at 30, and headed out for my Wednesday night singles league. It was position night, and I was set to play the next closest player in the league (4th vs 3rd). My opponent turned out to be a guy that I normally play pretty close and have even beaten a few times in long, close matches. But I had a new weapon in my bag!

    I was a little disheartened when I dropped the first game (on my serve). I guess I just wasn't used to the PS yet. The next game, things started coming together. I began to gauge my shots a lot better, and he only won two more games the whole match! Mind you, this is an aggressive player that loves coming to net when he has hit a good shot. I was able to get most of those back with interest. With the added spin I get with ELT, they dipped quickly, and he didn't have an answer for that.

    I absolutely loved my serve with the PS. It seems to have more pop than my Dunlop Bio 100. And the control I had on my volleys was amazing. But the best shot of the night was when he came to net and pounded a ball pretty good. I guessed right, and was able to put up the most beautiful defensive lob ever. It went well over his head and dropped in 6 inches from the baseline. Game, first set, 6-2!

    In the second set, I came to net and got lobbed pretty good. I was able to get to the ball right before the back fence and popped it backwards and upwards towards his side of the net. I thought it might have gone into orbit, but it came down inside the baseline. He was stunned, I think, and even though he got to it, he hit it into the net.

    My service return seemed to improve with the PS as well. Once I got used to the racquet, I started attacking his first serve and hit a number of clean winners the shocked even me. I was also able to tee off on his second serve with reckless abandon. Game, set, match ... 6-2,6-1.

    I like a heavier racquet and the PS weighs in at 12.6 ounces without any lead tape. I was amazed at how good an 85 inch racquet felt and played. I may have to get a few more, and a generous supply of nat-gut. :)
     
  2. yourmailman

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    Hey Dimcorner,

    The quote I hear most often when I convert someone to ELT is "Wow, it sounds so different!" It's something you have to get used to. More of a thud, but what a difference it makes. Don't worry about the sound. Just enjoy the perplexed look on your opponent's face as your ball dips in for a winner. :twisted:

    You might try going a little lower on the tension as well. I didn't really fall in love with ELT until I got down under 35.
     
  3. 808guy

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    what tension for my hyper 2.3 ?

    Hi
    I'm a left handed, almost solid on my good days, 4.5 player, with a full western grip and lots of top spin.
    10 years ago a switched from the Babolat pure drive to a frame that is no longer made. The Wilson hyper hammer 2.3 110si. I found this 28 inch long frame to be the best thing I ever tried. Lately, i've been dropping tension on it and also switched strings. I've tried and demo all kinds of different frames, but always end up going back to my 2.3 frames
    I went from 16g RPM at 54lbs, to 17g black widow at 52, then 50, and just a week ago to 45lbs.
    Can anybody here analyze this and recommend what strings and what tension would be the best for my game, given my choice of racquet. I tend to hit from the baseline and got a very decent forehand and an everyday improving backhand.
     
  4. yourmailman

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    To quote myself ... "Go for it". Try dropping down to 30# and see what you think. My experience was that the mid 40's were not that great. Once I got down close to 30, however, I saw a marked improvement in spin and control.

    If you like the black widow 17g, stay with that. I used it on a few racquets when I started getting down into the 30's, and it worked pretty well. The reason I went to the Gosen was that it was very cheap (I was just starting to string my own at the time and wanted something very inexpensive).

    I personally prefer an 18g, especially at ELT. Seems to give me a little more bite on the ball. But you should use whatever you feel comfortable with.

    Sounds like you might benefit from ELT. Give it a shot and report back.
     
  5. 808guy

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    35lbs

    I went to my stringer and got it strung at 35lbs with the 17g black widow.
    didn't have a chance to hit for more than 20 minutes, but I liked the way it felt. It was late in the day.
    Hopefully tomorrow I'll get some more court time.
     
  6. unorthodox stringing

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    20 minutes is more than enough to get you hooked on ELT! Ha ha! :)

    I'm surprised you managed to get your stringer to do 35 lbs. Most would just deem us to be suffering from dementia and pull at normal tensions :)
     
  7. GarryClarke

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    another observation i had is i had zero string movement with the forten sweet 17 @ 35!!!!!
    also i noticed the string bed to feel solid as if it was strung at my usual low 50,s tension in a 2012 PD which was a real surprise.

    next time i string im going down to 30lbs:)
     
  8. v-verb

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    That's what happened to me - hence the reason I got my Klipper - they strung 20 and 25 lbs over my requested tension.
     
  9. Tcbtennis

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    It's been great going back to read the posts in this thread. I have a daughter who is quite powerful and was a very flat hitter. I had to string her racquets at 60 lbs so she could control her shots. About 6 months ago we switched coaches who have been working with her to hit with more topspin. Long story short, her coach made her hit with one of her brother's old racquets that was 18x20 and strung at a lower tension. She complained for about 2 days (6 hours of hitting) until she told me how all of a sudden she really liked how the strings felt. She was hitting aggressive topspin balls, crisp volleys and spin/kick serves with jump. When we got home I measured her tension with Racquettune. It was 33lbs. She uses RPM Blast 17g.
     
  10. morten

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    IMO 50% use too tight strings, i descovered it about ten years ago, i wish i did earlier...
     
  11. nickarnold2000

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    I'm interested to know how many hours you get out of this setup before the snap back goes away.
     
  12. 808guy

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    I'm hooked on 35lbs for My 17g black widow. Hit a little long, sometimes yesterday in my 20 minutes trial. I need a little more time to fine tune my forehand. will try it again later today.
    My stringer hangs out by the courts at the patk, and strings on the fly on a park table and carry a variety of strings at a very small mark up and strings exactly as requested.
     
  13. allenkau

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    unorthodox stringing, arche3 and drak,

    Update. So I got my 17g OGSM yesterday and immediately cut the Poly off my 32lb 2013 APD.

    Strung up the 17g OGSM at 33lbs.

    THANK YOU. I think you all are right. SynGut is better than Poly at ELT.

    Took my son to the courts for an 2 hr training session. I hit with him for about 50 mins. We put him on the ball machine for about 30 minutes. He also served about 150 balls.

    My 11yr son describes the differences as.

    1.) More Power. - Both on Strokes and serves. I agree with him.
    2.) Same Spin potential. Yup. Agree.
    3.) More comfort - He described the ELT Poly as having more shock.
    4.) Control - Not less control. But the ball can / will go long due to the added power. Thus, he needed to be discipline and hit topspin. Meaning, he couldn't flatten out his strokes very well.

    His serves had much more depth also.

    I took his racket and hit about 30 balls with the ball machine and I also felt the differrence between SynGut and Poly at ELT.

    For another comparison, my personal APD is strung as an Gut / Poly hybrid at 58/54. I still love the Gut/Poly Hybrid but I can see that I definitely have more spin with ELT SynGut.

    So what is next? I am hesitant on a full bed of Gut at ELT due to cost. Has anyone tried ELT Gut/Poly? From what I have read, having GUT on the cross is a waste of money. So far, I only see Yourmailman and unorthodox trying Gut. Right?
     
  14. unorthodox stringing

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    Allen,

    Thanks for sharing such a detailed feedback! I'm glad you liked ELT syn gut :)

    Yourmailman is the one who started this experiment in this thread. Encouraged by his success, I hitched along for the ride and got converted. So he's the man to thank!

    You did not mention why you liked gut/poly since ELT syn gut gave you more spin. Is it the comfort or power?

    As I've shared in an earlier post #1718, ELT poly seems a little more complex to me and I've not tried it any further.

    To hybrid gut with poly may add more confusion to it. It'll also be costly to keep trying different combinations of gut with poly strings and at different tensions I think.

    After a few sessions with Klip 16g at 32lbs, the vibrations are still there. On hindsight, I think I should have prestretched the gut more, or maybe use a thinner gauge. I recall reading Yourmailman pulling tension twice with 18g gut on a crank at 30lbs.

    As for gut in crosses, I agree it may be extravagant. So, another thought I'm harbouring is to do a gut/multi or gut/syn gut hybrid at ELT. However, this would be on hold for quite a few weeks or months since each gut order for me takes about 3 weeks.
     
  15. allenkau

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    Hi, I have to say that I don't prefer Gut/Poly @ 58/54 "better". Its different only. It has a more normal sound. It feels stiffer. It has more Pop. It costs 10 times more than OGSM 17. I have to worry about humidity. etc...

    I just think that full gut or Gut / syn or Gut / poly at ELT will give more Power and possibly even more control than ELT Syn.

    As for getting Gut, have you seen that GUT on **** for $15 a set from INDIA? My buddy from South Carolina (4.0 player) swears by it. I think the seller's name is tiplopworks . I ordered a set 2 weeks ago so it should arrive anyday now.

    Great Blog by the way....
     
  16. Dimcorner

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    I hit yesterday again with the APD during my group lesson. The coach was like "WTH did you string it at, 5lbs?" In the beginning the ball was sailing long (It would probably have sailed on me anyway with normal tension) on me but towards the end I was dropping them in pretty consistently. He told the other people in the group to watch my shots because you can't hear if I crack one or go easy on them. One thing I noticed is that you can't hesitate on taking a full swipe on the ball on this. You can hit it slower but definitely have to do the full motion for it to drop in.

    BTW the serves are getting better with this setup. I can notice more spin on 2nd serves and I don't think I lost any power in this setup.
     
  17. chapmag

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    ELT syn gut or multi lifetime?

    To those using the ~30# multi ELT, how many hours do you get out of your string before it breaks or goes dead? If it goes dead, how do you know? It looks like the string moves, so does that mean checking main snapback is not an indication of remaining life? Thanks.
     
  18. unorthodox stringing

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    Chapmag,

    You are right that from the first hit off the stringing machine, both the mains and the crosses move a lot. So that is not a good gauge of string wear.

    So far, the way the syn gut "wears" seems like the pocketing just gets deeper. The feeling never goes dead. Not even after more than 10 hours of harder than normal hits.

    Perhaps there was a little bit more power as the strings age? Or was it due to tension loss I cannot really tell.

    But I cut out my ELT 30lbs 17g syn gut at about 15-20 hours of play. (I stopped tracking after 10 hours.) It was still perfectly playable and very comfortable. It's just that I wanted to test another string :)
     
  19. yourmailman

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    Well, my wonderful nat-gut broke in my Bio 100. So about 55 hours with no loss of feel or playability and minimal loss of tension (28 on the app before the breakage). Mind you, this was 18g, so YMMV with thicker ones.

    Ordered a couple of sets from India. The price is great, but the shipping time is horrendous. Also, no 18g. I guess I can live with 17g for $15 bucks a pop.

    Since I have one of my PS 6.0 85's with the same full bed nat-gut, I used it Thursday night and loved it again. This was just a friendly match between my men's doubles partner and myself. We played almost 2 hours and had a great time. I am still trying to convince him to go all the way down to 30 on his backup racquet. He's thinking hard about it now that he has seen how much power and spin I get.
     
  20. v-verb

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    Hey yourmailman!

    I've got a PS 6.0 85 with Klip Legend 16 on the way. I bet it's strung higher but can't wait to see what the fabled 6.0 95 is all about!

    Of course I'll go ELT when the strings break.
     
  21. allenkau

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    Wait... You have already tried the INDIA gut from e B a_y ? Or this is the first time you are ordering it?
     
  22. goose guy

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    I initially tried ELT poly mains (bw), syn gut crosses (ogsm) and had mediocre results.

    As per your suggestions, I tried 32# ogsm on my old k6.1 95 16x18. Wow! It feels much better than the hybrid ELT. Not uncontrollable power as I was expecting. Nice feel, nice touch, great for volleying. Great spin. More power than the hybrid. But it still requires a full stroke, not lazy strokes which occurs when you get tired.

    I'll string up a syn gut ELT with my regular stick (X10 325) when my spare x10 arrives. Can't wait!
     
  23. yourmailman

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    No. I used Klip 18g. I only ordered from India after that one broke.
     
  24. Buford T Justice

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    Slight derail.....

    I took a chance on that brand gut and strung it in mains at 55 and used a poly in crosses at 60. I have to say, it was absolutely the best string combo I've ever used, far and away. Just fantastic. My arm felt like it could have hit the ball 1000 times with no fatigue.

    However, a main snapped after 90 min of play. It was not a framed shot, etc, but a serve hit right in the sweet spot.

    However, I am not giving up on this gut as I suspect the premature failure was likely from stringing error. I saw that I frayed some mains too much from slipping clamps :-(. So I've strung up 3 more frames with the same combo and will see how they last.
     
  25. unorthodox stringing

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    Buford,

    I read from the feedbacks that the gut is uncoated. I also saw comments on how easily it frayed during stringing plus inconsistent gauge diameter across the string.

    Is your experience similar?

    With no coating, I would expect it to play much softer and nicer but durability would suffer.
     
  26. Fuji

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    Just copying and pasting from a different thread my experiences with Kevlar / Poly @ 30lbs!

    Tried a "cheap" version of the original Jolly Rig last night in my Pro Staff 90 that weighs like 14oz. It played unreal. I had it strung with Prince Problend/BHBR @ 30lbs. It surprised me at how amazing and soft it played. I know that Problend is literally the stiffest string on the market, but for some reason unbeknownst to me, it played softer then some gut beds I have used. Absolutely amazing. If I had a better arm for health, this would be my go to set up, but since I'm playing sensibly and keeping healthy, I probably won't fool around with this set up too much, but holy man, just unreal playability. I hit the best slices I ever had in my life last night with this rig, and my forehand was untouchable. I now understand why Jolly used it for so long. I was leaning in and flattening out the ball without a problem of sending it long, and I was pinning the baseline within about 2 feet off every ball. True freedom to hit as big as I wanted, plus the spin was nice and tight, not overly loopy like I sometimes get with full poly. Ugh, I feel like I'm touching forbidden fruit with this set up, but it is amazing.

    -Fuji
     
  27. unorthodox stringing

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    Yes Fuji!

    I've tried Kevlar/Poly with similar result! Great spin, excellent comfort and high power!

    The only problem was Poly's poor tension holding. If I recall correctly, even with kevlar in the mains, the stringbed became a little too loose for my liking. (I skipped some cross strings though :) )
     
  28. Fuji

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    Tension loss doesn't bother me all that much, unless it becomes extremely boardy. I really do enjoy hitting with this set up though. Syn gut @ 56lbs is my favourite, although this definitely takes a solid second place!

    -Fuji
     
  29. Buford T Justice

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    The string appeared to have a waxy coating on it, and yes it did seem easily frayed during stringing.

    The gauge of the string seemed relatively consistent to me, but I will add that I've never used something like Babolat VS, etc so perhaps my standards are not as high as they would be had I had experience with the top of the line guts.

    I did immediately coat the stringbed with baby oil, as I read on grandslam stringers that this was a good idea.

    I am used to working with just poly, so this stuff really is a PITA in comparison, but the stringbed felt so wonderful that I am now semi hooked on it after just one use.

    However, there is no way I am going to be popping $47 a string set for the Babolat gut, so if this Global gut just has terrible life, I'll have to just switch to a syn gut or multi in the mains that is marginally close in feel. Of course, marginally close is about all ill get, but straight poly is no more for me.
     
  30. allenkau

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    What gauge did you get? Did you get the BLACK gut or NATURAL color one?
    You should try 30lbs and let us know :)

    I am thinking of ELT NatGuy Main / SynGut Cross Next.
     
  31. danotje

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    Read a lot of this thread and have decided to give low tension a shot. My first experiment was with Isospeed Baseline Spin x Polyon in a PK Silver Ace 110. Polyon is incredibly stiff and not very nice at >50lbs. At 30, though, it really came alive. I could crush the ball with the PK or impart tons of great spin, all with the string bed feeling soft and spongy. I'll admit, this intrigued me. The SA is a bit heavy though.

    So when one of my 7Gs came due for a restring, I used BHB7 x Polyon @ 30, thinking if I use my normal racquet with a shaped poly, maybe I can get a similar response to the SA. While I was surprised that the racquet played as well as a normal string job at 54, it really lacked the spin of the SA (and even my normal BHBR). My friend also thought I didn't generate the same pace. It felt good, though, so while I counted it as a loss, I am not done, yet.

    Fast forward to yesterday, and I've restrung both PKs with BHBR x WC Silverstring @ 30. The WC was an orphaned package I had from my earlier poly tests. Had no intention of using it, so it was a good candidate. I had a hard time committing to this as this has to be my most expensive string job to date (though not very expensive overall still). Stringing was easy @ 30, and the feel of the bed is impressive. Haven't hit with it yet, but I'm really excited to give it a shot. Maybe today. Wish me luck, and I'll let you guys know how it works out. Cheers.
     
  32. evanjj

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    Can you info me on this please? PM maybe? :)
     
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    responded to :)

    I have been struggling with ELT and went back to my normal tension the last couple of weeks, but truth be known I do miss the effortless power and extreme spin when done properly.

    Am hoping to give it another go with full gut set up :)
     
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    Having tried more than a dozen different setups of ELT, I thought I'll post a summary of my findings.

    Tension range used:
    30-35 lbs

    Racket frame sizes:
    93-100 sq in

    Racket Stringbeds Configuration:
    16x18, 16x19, 18x20, 16x20

    Rackets Total Weights:
    310-370grams

    Strings setup tested:
    Fullbed Multi, Multi/Syn Gut, Syn Gut/Multi, Fullbed Klip Legend Natural Gut

    At ELT, the differences between multi and syn gut seem to have narrowed. The only diff I feel is that vibration dampening is better with multi. But only slightly. Feel, tension holding, comfort, power, spin, accuracy seems all the same.

    My nat gut string may not have been prestretched enough, so there is a lot of vibrations, even after 5 hours of play. Power, control and spin have not been affected though. There is no trampoline but the power is significantly better than ELT syn gut or multi. Pocketing is deeper too.

    The only huge diff I noticed is the stringbed configuration can alter the entire ELT experience. So going forward, I may reinstate tension differentials between mains and crosses. I'm in the process of trying it out on one racket now.

    For those of you who wants more details, it's on my blog :)

    Happy ELTing!
     
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    Hey U-S,

    I have not had the vibration issue with either of my nat gut setups (Dunlop Bio 100/Wilson PS 6.0 85). As you noted, I did pull each length twice, but did not pre-stretch at all.

    Since my Bio 100 nat gut is out of commission, I started my match last night with the full bed syn gut. I was not playing bad, but I was not playing great. Lots of close games, but I lost the first set 6-0.

    After I lost the first game of the second set, I decided to bring out the PS 85 with full nat gut. All of the shots I had been missing by just inches started being in by inches. The little bit of extra power and spin from the nat gut seemed to solve all of the problems I was having. I won the second set 7-5, and the tie-break set 10-7.

    There is not a whole lot of difference between the two racquets. The Bio 100 is 90 inches and I have it weighted with lead tape to 12.9 ounces. The PS 85 is 12.65 with no lead tape. Very similar feel, but the PS 85 is just a tad more head light.

    I am having one of my old T-2000's strung up at 30 with syn gut. I'm curious to see what happens with it. I'll post as soon as I have had a chance to hit with it.

    ELT ... works for me!
     
  37. unorthodox stringing

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    Yourmailman,

    Thanks for confirming how you pulled your nat gut! If I do try Klip nat gut again, I'll either pre-stretch it (against the advice of many in this forum) or pull twice like you.

    Just a thought though.... Only a thought.... :)


    Looking at the way we are going back to older and older rackets, we could very well turn this into "ELT Oldies!"

    Hmmm.... now, where did I last keep my Arthur Ashe Composite racket!?!?
     
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    Maybe the balance was the thing, or maybe it was a mental adjustment.

    I like the new PS 6.0 85s. I like a heavier racquet (I weight up my Bio 100s).
     
  39. allenkau

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    Guys... That $15 gut is actually GLOBAL Gut. Check out this thread I found

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=366183&highlight=lube

    There's also a poster "SplitStepper" there who has been doing ELT with Nat Gut for a while (He cames 100 sets of it) also.
     
  40. luishcorreia

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    Using low tensions.. does it make the poly string go dead sooner?
     
  41. Rabbit

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    I'm stringing at 47/44 and haven't found that to be true. If anything, I found my stringbed to pocket the ball better and play great around the net. I'm currently using 4g 1.30 in a 99S.
     
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    Just had a thought sitting here to experiment with my Wilson KPS88 I have had sitting around for a while at 30lbs full gut.
    May give it a try in a few weeks :)
     
  43. v-verb

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    Please let us know - and if you're tired of it sell it to me:)
     
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    how do these long tensions affect the length/depth of your shots?
     
  45. yourmailman

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    Got my T-2000 back last night. Strung at 30 with Babolat Syn-Gut 17g. Can't wait to try it out today.

    Also picked up some Prince Premiere LT to try in my other PS 6.0 85. Hope to get that done this afternoon.

    Reports forthcoming.
     
  46. unorthodox stringing

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  47. yourmailman

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    An old friend reborn ...

    I had one of my old T-2000's strung up with syn-gut (Babolat 17g) at 30#.

    I hit with it for about 10 minutes during my lesson yesterday and was not overly impressed with the performance. I just wanted to try it out with the new ELT setup.

    Tonight, it got a real test. I played an entire match with the beast! Here are my observations ...

    It was much more comfortable than it was on Wednesday. Not sure why. But it was more like an old friend had returned.

    The first set was a bit of a struggle. I was missing the lines by about 6 inches and I found that my backhand slice was sorely lacking. However, I did play some really good points. The main trouble I had was on service returns when a hard first serve went to my backhand. About two thirds of the way through the set, I figured out I was trying to do to much on them. Once I started letting the ELT throw the ball back, I started clicking on the service returns.

    Then it hit me ... I was trying to do too much with my shots. I wasn't playing to the strengths of the setup. I closed the gap, but wasn't able to win the first set.

    The second set was a totally different story. I reeled off four straight games against a decent player with a modern day racquet with relative ease. I was getting a goodly amount of spin (which I don't recall ever getting with a T-2000 before) when I wanted it, and my flat shots were basically nonreturnable. The ones that were, came back as floaters that I was able to put away.

    Again, I let the setup define how I was striking the ball, and it paid off big time ...

    On several of his first serves, I just punched the ball back instead of striking at it. Many times, these actually went for winners. On shots that were very wide to my forehand, I was able to flip the ball back at sharp angles. When I was able to unload on a shot, it was like the ball had been fired from a rifle. And some of my lobs were things of beauty, landing within inches of or right on the baseline. It also seemed like I had more control than with my modern racquets. The ball went right where I aimed it almost every single time.

    I'm not sure if anyone else has tried ELT in a T-2000 before, but it turned into an enlightening experience. The stiffness of the racquet combined with the pocketing of ELT (when hitting style is adjusted to properly) was a great combination.

    I was a bit worried about serving. The T-2000 is a hefty beast, and I thought I might have issues with the weight over the long haul. Boy, was I wrong! Serving was a joy! I clocked more aces and service winners than I have in a long time. The ELT made it much easier to vary my serve. I would pound some hard and flat, then switch up and throw in a slice and a kicker or two, then back to hard and flat with no trouble at all.

    Also of note, I have no arm fatigue at all after an hour and a half with the T-2000. My scale reads it at 12.99 strung (a bit lighter than I thought), so it is only a touch heavier than my weighted up Biomimetic 100's and just under .35 ounces heavier than my PS 6.0 85's. I also love the sound of the racquet. Very melodic with no vibration dampener. I also didn't feel the torquing and jarring feeling that I remember from years past. Maybe a byproduct of ELT.

    I actually can't wait to play with it again. It was really a fun time once I got the hang of it with the ELT syn-gut setup. All I can say is that if I were ever in a spot where I broke the strings on all of my modern racquets and had to pull out the T-2000 to finish a match, I would not hesitate to do so.

    My opponent thought I was a bit mad to think I could even come close to beating him with a racquet that was introduced in 1967. Maybe, but he's singing a different tune now. :)

    Next up for ELT consideration is my old Donnay Borg Pro.
     
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  48. Matt G

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    I've read through a few pages and am very keen to try this!!

    I suffer TE a fair bit, bad!

    So ive been using softer frames and co-polys/nat gut

    Having my own stringer helps a lot!!

    So is the general consensus that ELT works better with syn guts than co-polys?? I have a few of both!!

    Also i play a i.prestige mid, so should i look at 30lb as a base?? or more 35lb?

    Thanks for any help!!
     
  49. yourmailman

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    Matt G,

    I would say the answer to your question is yes, syn-gut seems work well at ELT. IMHO, better than the poly, which seem a bit stiff to me.

    I found that I really love nat-gut with ELT, so if you are used to it, maybe try that setup. I haven't tried a nat-gut/co-poly hybrid, but in my experiments, a full bed of natural gut not only worked the best, but was the easiest on the arm. If cost is an issue, try syn-gut first and nat-gut if you like it as a follow up. I was both amazed (at the results) and disheartened (at the thought of the price of nat-gut in all my racquets) how much more I liked the nat-gut.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    You've probably already stated this multiple times in this thread, but do you know your NTRP rating?
     

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