Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

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  1. Irvin

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    I don't normally played with poly but wanted to try Gamma Glide / XP. Because of the poly I dropped the XP 3 lbs from (5%) normal and strung the Glide 10% lower than the XP in the mains. It was a little stiff at first but it only took a warm up to start liking it.

    If your going to full poly I would drop the tension at least 15% from what you normally play with. So if 52 is you normal try 44.
     
  2. LeeD

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    Prince03Red at 40 is getting really good.
    Dunlop Aero500 at 35 does slide a bit too much on heavy topspin shots like topspin lobs, but close to good. Maybe 38 would have been better.
    Solinco Tour Bite 16.
     
  3. Bhairava

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    Remember that best results on low tension come with thick (16g),stiff,low powered strings like tour bite 16, yonex poly tour pro/spin, and so on. I think that 17g and softer strings produce too much erratic results. Moreover, you have to produce a lot of spin to low the high launch angle, especially at 38-40lbs.30,35lbs will give you a lower launch angle.
     
  4. Sander001

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    I think it really depends on the string and gauge. A 1.35mm poly can be strung in the 20's and it will still have loads of control in a mid. I'm even contemplating going to 10lbs next time With this Prince string i'm trying in my midsized racquet.
     
  5. SCRAP IRON

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    This seems crazy. Lowering the tension in the 30 range would cause a trampoline effect! I'm either missing something or you guys are playing with extreme western grips.
     
  6. LeeD

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    35 on a 100 sized, 16x19 pattern, 68 flex might be apporaching too low a tension for STBite16. No trampoline at all, but the strings slide and absorb power from hard topspin shots.
    38 SpikyShark16 on a 97, 18x20 racket is solid as a rock.
    40 on a OS Red, 105 with 16x19 pattern is a little tight.
    47, STBite16 again, on a brand new Aero300 is just a little tight, now around 40, as the new grommets have settled in.
     
  7. Sander001

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    It would in most other strings. But my string is really stiff and thick:twisted:so it plays great. Wish it were more comfortable tho
     
  8. TW Staff

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    I have found some soft co-polys strung low to feel absolutely fantastic for about 30 minutes of hitting, then control just goes. I found this with Double AR Twice Shark at 35lbs in a Pure Drive Tour. I felt unstoppable with it for the first 30 minutes of hitting -- racquet fresh off the stringer -- then the control just went. Bummer.

    Deader, stiffer polys and co-polys have worked best for me. Tighter string patterns and midsize heads open up more potential for the very soft polys, but expect the playability duration to still be somewhat short lived.

    Cheers,
    Chris, TW
     
  9. scotus

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    It works because many polys are incredibly stiff. There's hardly any trampoline effect.
     
  10. Shroud

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    I have stated in this thread that the common wisdom seems to go out the window below 40lbs.

    I think that is true. Sure I was using kevlar mains but strung as low as 15lbs with the crosses skipped and strung at 32lbs creating a 14/10 pattern.

    it should have been a rocket launcher but I was able to hit great with it after the adjustment period.

    Pretty sure then I was using SW grips for fh and BH.
     
  11. Shroud

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    Hey Chris,

    Did you ever prestretch those strings? Not the few seconds to remove coil memory stretch but the lay into it for a few minutes kind of stretch?

    If so what affect did that have on your 30 minutes of glory?
     
  12. v-verb

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    I have an old St Vincent Wilson Profile. I found them unplayable with syngut.

    I tried Spiky shark mains and polylon crosses at...25 lbs. It is phenomenal. However I had to find the right damper as some vibration set in (a rubber grommet did the trick).

    HUGE spin, rocket serves, great control.

    Works for me! next up - a Wilson The Limits (135 sq inch head) with poly at 35 lbs.

    Will keep you posted - and props to Chris for starting me on this path.
     
  13. LeeD

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    Bigger frames need more string tension.
    I string my 97 at 38 lbs., but it's a tight pattern, so can go down a little.
    My Aero500, 100 anc 16x19, is getting on the verge of too soft with STBite 16 at 35 lbs. No tramp, but the strings slide annoying when I hit heavy topspin shots.
    Yet, 40 on a 105 sized head works just fine.
     
  14. v-verb

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    Hey LeeD

    I would have thought so too - and they do. This just works for me. Since I can string my own sticks and have reels of string it is cheap to experiment
     
  15. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Greetings Chris,

    I am trying to find the ideal tension in my new frame of choice, the HEAD YT IG Radical (modded to 28", 404grams/18pts HL/364SW) and have been using TB 18 @ 44#. True to your experience, it feels FANTASTIC for a short while and then 'dead' for lack of a better word. Will reducing the tension help or hurt matters?

    Best,

    BHBH
     
  16. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Also, is there a link to the TW Professor's thoughts on WHY these low tensions seems to work so well and then fade, or other tips about using ULTRA-low tension? CC
     
  17. TW Staff

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    Shroud,
    We had talked about pre-stretching as we were wondering if that would help extend the playability duration. Haven't got that far . . . yet!

    BHBH,
    I'd suggest trying pre-stretching, too. Another option would be a thicker gauge of Tour Bite -- the tension shouldn't creep out of it quite as quickly as the thinner 18 gauge due to there simply being more material to help hold the tension. Plus it is crisper feeling, so should retain more of that crisp feel even as it starts to bag out. Either way, a couple of options there to try out. Keep us posted!

    Best,
    Chris, TW
     
  18. ACESario

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    A few questions about lower tensions:

    1) Does it help with arm pain?
    2) What should I string my yonex vcore 310 at?
    3) How much time does it take to adjust to a low tension setup?


    I'm playing with a yonex vcore 310. I find that when my strings get broken in and old, right before breaking I like them better. I had one strung with NXT 16duro, and I think the club stringer is set to high.. so it was probably over 60lbs, and I could not hit with it. My shots were flying and it was hurting my hand and arm on every off center hit. Im cutting that string out for something with lower tension.

    I have 3 rackets. I'm about to restring two of them. I bought a set of babolat vs gut 17g, half set of Pacific gut 16L mains, Technifibre HDX 17, and a couple extra packs of the HDX for a full setup.

    I'm a bit leary about going down to 40 from where i'm at now (56lbs with technifibre xone bi-phase 17g) What would you recommend?
     
  19. LeeD

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    If you want durable, go thicker.
    That is true in every object, every sport, ever instance. More lasts longer.
    Not talking HOLLOW, which can be bigger diameter but thinner walls.
     
  20. Aretium

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    I think this is more about poly strings.
     
  21. Shroud

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    I was able to play through TE by adding weight and low tensions. Though I think you really need a stiffer string like a poly or kevlar like I was using.

    Though if you want to try low tensions for a soft string, I would say the mongut zx is a good candidate if you prestretch it. Given what you are using now I think it is as arm friendly but might give some extra spin if you have the strokes for it.
     
  22. morten

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    I use 43 xone 16g. So i think you can go down quite a bit..
     
  23. dtomelden

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    Hello all, I've been playing low tension for about 2 yrs now. Was using 52-54lbs with 16G SPPP then read about Tour players using low tensions - specifically Jack Sock. Much improved stroke production from both sides, slice and topspin easy to develop. Ball pocketing allows excellent spin pop. Without high spin or biting slice shots would spray or go long. Serves have improved in speed and placement and return game is good.

    Tennis elbow is a thing of the past. The low tension with the low power of the Pro Staff make for a very friendly setup. Able to absorb high power shots and stay in the point. Little to no vibration or shock.

    I will be trying a hybrid with gut in crosses. I think with the hybrid I'll go up in tension with the crosses 2-3 lbs lower than the mains, 40/37.

    My style of play

    Baseliner with mostly topspin forehands and 1H slice backhand. Able to dictate play with shot placement and drop shots/lobs. Spin serve with good placement on both sides. Chip or block return on hard serves, drive on second serve or weak first serve.
     
  24. Shroud

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    Always looking for the easiest laziest way out of stringing, I was thinking about using the spiky shark. I THINK that is prestretched from the factory.

    If s maybe thats a quick option. Though I am not sure its stretched like I would do it. Maybe just to remove coil memory and not a real prestretch?

    IIRC there was an oldschool racket that could adjust tension on the fly by turning a handle. Maybe that would be an option in the poly present.
     
  25. v-verb

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    Played my The Limits today. 135 inch head strung at 35 lbs with Pro's Pro Devil Spin on mains and Mosquito Bite on the crosses.

    Fantastic. Tons of spin, controllable groundies and nice volleys. Spin serves kicked nicely. Hard first serves were still not dialled in - mainly due to the size of this beast. 29" takes a while to come around on serves but I'll get there.
     
  26. Shroud

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    scary stuff
     
  27. v-verb

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    Yep considering my fave singles racquet is a PS85. I feel like I've gone over to the dark side when t comes to doubles:twisted:
     
  28. Capulin Zurdo

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    I regularly have my racquets strung around mid-low forties, I'm going to try out ten lb. less next time around.
     
  29. LeeD

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    Going really low works just fine for flatter shots, but heavy dipping topspin shots like topspin lobs give you tons of double and triple hits, the ball rolling along the face of the strings before leaving the strings.
    I found 35 on a 100 sq racket with a 16x19 pattern to be the lowest tension I can use with my game and STBite16. Flatter httter's can go lower in tension, but twists and topspin shots start to mishit too much for me.
    38 is fine, as is 40.
     
  30. MixedMaster

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    I'm just starting to think about using lower tension in my sticks!!! I've been a little spooked about lowering it. Last time I strung one of my rackets, I went about 8 pounds lower on both mains and crosses, into the low 50's. So far I think I like it. I haven't really gotten in any quality hitting sessions due to the weather, but I'm due to re-string my 2nd stick toward the end of the month and I'm thinking about dropping into the 40's....
    My question is how low can you go with gut mains and still be comfortable and not loose the playability of the hybrid???
    This may have been discussed before, but didn't find it and I'd like a fresh perspective.
     
  31. LeeD

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    Every player likes a different feel.
    For some on here, 40 is tight.
    For other's 50 is very loose.
    Talking POLY's here.
    Big frames need softer tension.
    Small frames and dense patterns can use much lower tensions.
     
  32. nytennisaddict

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    So how's everyone's adventures into low tension going?

    I've been experimenting with "cheap" polys and co-polys, strung between 30-40 on head ti radicals. Signum pro at 35 seems to be my favorite so far. (tried: cyberflash, big hitter, powerburst... still need to try msv, spiky, rpm,...)

    On off center hits, my ball flies out,... but when i'm hitting generally in the sweet spot, the spin seems to let me hit out. Also I think I'm able to hit a flatter swing plane (than when it's strung at 55-60).
     
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    ELT did not work out

    Just wanted to share that ELT did not work out for us. I strung ELT using poly (Kirschbaum Pro Line II with a sample Gamma poly string on crosses on a Tecnifibre racket for me and KPL II for both mains/crosses on a Babolat Pure Drive Roddick racket for another player, both at 32/31 tension). At first, the hitting was great, with lots of effortless power and super topspin. However, after about 3 hitting sessions, I noticed that the ELT strings started to feel pretty harsh :( and I was starting to get some tennis elbow pain. The other player who had never experienced TE before started experiencing some arm pain. Not worth it, so the strings got cut out. It was an experiment that ended pretty quick.
     
  34. eaglesburg

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    If you are not getting enough control, at, say, 50 lbs, is it possible that 30 lbs might give you more control than 40 lbs in relation to the 50 lbs?
     
  35. Shroud

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    I think its possible but it depends on how you get your control. If you are getting control by spin then I think so. But I maybe wrong. There was some study that compared 30lbs to 60lbs and I think the 30 had more spin but could be very wrong on that.

    If you are getting control by controlling the launch angle then probably not.
     
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    I strung up my prince tt slam at 30lb with pros pro red devil and that has given me a good flat serve back. The power in rallies both wings was allowing me to dominate more. My returns suffered though I normally swing out on 1st serve returns and they were going long. Too much power i need to block return more which I'm not so good at.

    But I won 7 6 and 6 4 against a guy who beats me more often than not and I'm v.happy to have a decent flat serve back. Played 1.5 hrs so will see how the string does over the next few hours.
     
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    I will look to try another setup using my favorite string yonex poly tour spin. It is a stiff low powered shaped poly. I want to use this in the mains would this work well with a soft multi in the crosses like Dunlop hexyfibre or mantis comfort. I'm thinking 30lb for mains and Crosses as a starting point.
     
  38. lobman

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    So are u saying I should stay away from poly and continue using my comfy multis and not try something like Big Hitter Black 7 on my OS sticks?
     
  39. PeteUSA

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    Interesting:


    "monfils is my homeboy,Yesterday at 8:58 AMReport


    I have several identical rackets and I strung 2 up with blackout 1.24 one at 40 lbs and the other at 32 lbs. the one at 40 is almost unplayable in terms of power. The ball flies off the strings and the 32 lbs one feels dead and muted. I can swing away. Why would this be?




    monfils is my homeboy,Yesterday at 11:09 AMReport


    I use the Prince Original Graphie Oversize 110. It's hot here, I played yesterday and let my opponent hit with both and he said the 40 pound strung one is a racket launcher. He switched to 32 and swung away! Much better control and loads more spin. CRAZY spin."
     
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    I am playing with Premier Control 16 (multi) at 40lb and Sweet crosses at 42lb, on a 105 head Pro Kennex. Had wrist problem with multi strung at 57lb. So before trying Gut I began to drop
    tension. Now hitting bigger serve, better forhand, backhand still sucks. Big gain was loss of wrist pain. Thanks to you Low Tensions Heads for posting this idea.
     
  41. Shroud

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    I tore up my elbow and kevlar in the 15-30lb range with poly or zx crosses got me threw it and I still played and played.

    Tension is back up and I am hitting differently (more modern) but sometimes I get the hankering to go back and try some low tensions.
     
  42. plum

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    Hi There I have my first Drop Weight Stringer coming tomorrow and I want to experiment with my POG 107's.
    Lately for comfort I have been playing Weiss Cannon Explosiv at around 63.
    I was hoping someone who has experimented with these frame might share some of their wisdom and recommend a string and tension to play with. Another option is to get a reel of some inexpensive string like the Hex Poly from Golden Set and just play around.
    I'm almost wondering when one gets into the 30's and 20's how much the string brand even makes a difference? 30's right be too low for a 107 head size as well. Thanks you all for your time... P.S. G&G recommended Weiss Cannon Silverstring at around 45-47
     
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    While I'm certainly no tennis expert on low tension, 8 of my 13 rackets are strung with STBite16 at under 40 lbs., with the 4 lowest tensions at 35.
    Low pace incoming balls, you hit with spin, lots of slice for me, whatever works for you. Spin moderates depth.
     

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