Low RHS FH ball

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  1. KillerServe

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    It seems to me that when I hit a very slow FH for example to an absolute beginner to give them an easy ball, I have to change my swing path AND contact point on the ball to get 'underneath' the ball more. If I use my full speed swing path to put across a very easy slow ball then the ball often goes in the net. Does this mean my full speed swing path is wrong? Should one use the same swing path and contact point on all possible balls at any speed shot?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Cheetah

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    Yes. It means you have flaws and/or fundamentals issues.
     
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  3. KillerServe

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    Thank you. Can you comment on exactly what the racquet should do right before contact and thru contact in terms of racquet orientation and swing path? What part of the ball do you visualize hitting and what part of the racquet do you visualize going through the ball at this point (eg. do you visualize the racquet edge slicing thru the ball while moving the racquet upward with a constant vertical racquet face). I want to know the correct swing form for all balls, fast or slow.
     
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  5. WildVolley

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    Nothing wrong here.

    If you hit a ball softly, you're going to need to get under it more to get it over the net. If you rip it hard, you can hit a much flatter path because it is is covering more distance as it drops in a given period of time. Gravity is always going to be pulling it down.

    This is elementary level trajectory sort of stuff. Don't worry about it.
     
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  6. HunterST

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    Yeah, no way would nadal or federer use their normal swing paths when trying to feed a ball. The rhs is what makes those shots work.
     
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  7. WildVolley

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    Dead on.

    Especially the modern ripping forehands hit with a slightly closed racket face. Those sort of shots rely on high racket head speed and an upward racket head motion (though slight) at contact to bring the ball over the net. Do that with low racket head speed and you'll just hit the ball into the net.

    You can hit a ball with less forward speed if you hit a heavy Nadal-style high net clearance forehand, but that's not the sort of ball to hit to beginners.
     
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  8. Cheetah

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    Disagree. You should be able to hit a ball softly with your same swing path. It's not a matter of getting under the ball more. Of course when you swing harder things will flex and twist more but when you have sound strokes you can do the same motion fast or slow. A proper swing with weight transfer proper contact and correct energy directing works at slow speed too.

    I guarantee you if we saw a video of OP hitting the easy balls we would see him trying to modify his swing and he would be arming it, not using his legs and other issues would be apparent.
     
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  9. KillerServe

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    I don't disagree with you, which is why I'd like you to answer post #3 when you get a chance. Thanks.
     
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    There is program for calculating ball’s trajectory, speed, spin, and so on http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/trajectory_maker.cgi#output. :)
     
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  11. Cheetah

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    I recommend instead of thinking about where on the ball you strike it and what the racquet is doing just before etc etc try to think of it as directing energy to the ball.

    You want to strike the ball with your body, not your arm. Use the arm only for control, not for power.

    If you look at any pro they all have their own personal flourishes and individual take backs and swing paths and types of rotation etc but at contact they ALL look the same. Ball hit out in front of the body. Elbow extended and not jammed up against your ribs. Head is still and watching the ball. I'd bet a lot of money that if you took a pic of your contact point you are probably not meeting any of these requirements. Your elbow is probably in too close. You are probably not hitting out far enough in front. Your racquet probably has a weird weak angle between it and your wrist. Your head is probably moving. Your knees are probably locked. You're probably hitting off of your front foot. Your off arm is probably not engaged and is probably either limp, tyrannosaurus or getting in the way.

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    If you meet the ball with a sound structure like above then the transferred energy dictates what the ball will do. Use the big muscles of your body to hit the ball (legs, trunk, shoulders) and not the arm. If you meet the ball with a good structure with a little weight going forward, or up or across, slightly laid back wrist etc then where to strike the ball will work itself out. The ball will respond to how the energy was put into it. Don't try to muscle it. If you want more topspin get a little under it and drive up with the LEGS. Let the legs do the work then the arm and wrist will respond and do what they have to on their own.
    Watch the ball for as long as possible as it's heading to your strings. Try to be a loose as possible. Being loose is key.
    Don't think about what the 'racquet' is doing so much. Think about what the whole body is doing. The racquet is just a tool to deliver the energy. It's the last piece in the kinetic chain. If everything before that is sound then the racquet will deliver the energy in the way you intended.

    Here's nalbandian hitting relatively soft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJVQ9yKhRYc
     
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  12. rkelley

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    Love watching her hit. Great video.

    I agree with Cheetah too. Hard, soft, inbetween, the swing path is the same. This is key to the whole mini-tennis warm-up that Henin was doing. Start slow, groove that proper swing path, then ramp it up and back up. Of she makes it look easy, but anyone can benefit from that drill.

    And watch her strokes. Great strokes.
     
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    That's how I like to warm up (start with mini and slowly back up) but most men think mini tennis is for women. I miss Henin.
     
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