Ltec results by tw professor

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  1. cluckcluck

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    Reading this thread has been entertaining, the thing I'm noticing is that everybody defends their preference of string. I'm an L-Tec user, fan, and believer; though I will only have it strung using the JET method (my friend is JET cert), it's comfortable, powerful, plenty of all the things that I like in a string.
    If you don't like or want to try it, that's great, don't. But don't insult the people that like it.
     
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    It's one thing to say you like it, it's another thing to say it's better. You don't have to back up the first statement, whereas you better be ready to back up the second with some objective figures.
     
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    Totally agree, hence me not saying it's the best string ever made, it's the best string ever made for me.
     
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    Listen to this guy. The most common tactic in the world is to call your opponent crazy, to discredit him, so that others will flock to your side of view, and leave his. I don't know how many guys here do that, but Id say it's quite a few! Another guy who has not tried ltec, os/4s, 3s/5s, 3s/4s etc. And once again, I have been using semi jet for many years, long before ltec.
     
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    Even if Raven and RSI comes along with testers figures, people will nay say them. Those figures are coming btw. Tw prof tests have already been nay said, and that's what this thread is all about: no evidence will suffice for those who don't believe/have not tried/will not try the brids out for themselves: This is what I rec>

    For those who love control: os/4s at higher tens. than they rec.

    For those who love power: bhbr/os etc.

    For those who love spin: 3s/4s etc. or 3s/5s or bhb7/4s.
     
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    And here it is again: we're all wrong because we're not using what YOU think is right. Not what TW recommends, not what L-Tec recommends, but what kiteboard recommends. We're even mixing string companies here, and yet we're still all wrong and ignorant. You know what this thread reminds me of? It's like one of those really far-right churches where ye shall be damned if you don't believe in their message. I mean really, kiteboard is in here going on and on and on and on about how amazing this string is, how wrong everyone else is, and yet no one is even saying that he's wrong. He's also taken to trying to discredit me entirely (as though I even care about his opinion) in my own thread because I don't spend time testing poly/poly hybrids in lieu of poly/gut, poly/multi, multi/poly and gut/poly. And yet, you know what? I just went and played 2 hours of doubles with my L-Tec frame because I'm still in the process of doing a playtest of it. Yes, that's right, I'm still using the strings because that's the entire purpose of a playtest. But that doesn't seem to matter, because any ill word against them is seen as a deadly sin.
     
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    Is this awful thread still going?

    You all do realise that its filled with posts by an eccentric 59 year old man who inserts blue plastic pieces of cut up straws into his stringbed? And who strings this crap-tec stuff at the 60lbs+ (completely contrary to what the manufacturer insists upon in terms of tension) and strings BHBR at the same tension range (well past its elastic limit).
     
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    That's what I don't get above all else. We're all wrong for not liking L-Tec, and yet, he's doing the exact OPPOSITE of what L-Tec was supposedly designed for.
     
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    But they're mad - this is whole point. Time and time again, you put reality in front of them and they just go into 'denial' mode, or starting crying. That's why you can never have a sensible debate or informed discussion with them. Just ask the Blue Plastic Straws man what the letters in L-TEC actually mean. He'll duck that one, or come up with 30 pages of spam. It's like having a discussion with three Jehovah's Witnesses. No matter what you say, and irrespective of how sensible or truthful it might be, they'll jst look at you blankly before continuing with their propaganda.
     
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    This is a guy who recommends you never hybrid any poly/poly. He does not know anything at all, another example of the internet key board punk gone wrong. As far as T. goes, we all know he's just a nut job not worth a thing. You have not tried ltec in os/4s, or 3s/5s, or 3s/4s, yet you act as if you have done all in your power to test it. Anyone from my era (I'm not 59 like nut job says), does not like low tens. no matter what the rec. manuf. says, and neither does: Murray, Djokovic, Berdych, Tsonga, Tipsarevic, Fish, Roddick, Blake, Isner. Fed is alone at 48.5/46.2 and that's with a 16 x 19 90 in frame. Nadal is at 54/52. Raonic is alone at slam contenders at 42/44, and 45/47 at iw. So yeah, I don't care what the manuf. says about tens., and if you do string low, it will last longer, and you will go long. (If you use a pro weight, and a pro frame.)
     
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    I don't see how your wrong if someone recommends a string? You recommend a lot of strings in your own playtest thread. I don't see anyone saying your wrong? Where?

    Maybe I've been so busy arguing with tournes I have not noticed .
     
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    Well, kiteboard, you obviously do not see the fact that other people may not like l-tec. You continue to commit libel against people for not trying the hybrid you like best.

    This is truly equitable to me saying you can never give your opinion on WeissCANNON until you hybrid then with the exact same strings I did. Your opinions are void and you are no longer creditable because you don't like the string I like. You have not tried this/that for flexy frames, the other/this for control, that/the other for x/y/z, yet you are acting like you know what you are talking about with other strings. You do not know anything at all.

    Got it? Good. Welcome to my ignore list.
     
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    Your the crazy one tournes. What about the 30 pages of spam you have about tourna strings?

    There is no need for you to even be in a thread about a string you do not use. Why are you even commenting on this? At least other people have used the string before they formed an opinion.
     
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    I've already added the brainwashed kid to my ignore list, but Blue Straws Man has indeed shown, time and time and time again, that he lives in a world of his own - as posters other than myself are rapidly discovering. What the old man says, the younger kid just parrots him like one of those little yappy dogs. Are they some sort of father and son operating under a joint delusion?
     
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    Anybody know where in England the LTEC factory is located?
     
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    And it's an ltec brid that no one else has rec. or tried. And he ignores the fact that he just said, "I don't hybrid poly with poly because the use of poly as a cross does not feel any different." It's called: No credibility. Worthless opinion based on a hatred of mark up. Worthless opinion based on a hatred of marketing campaign. I don't care if no one tries it who cannot get anything out of it like Pv, who has made a completely indefensible argument. I only care if someone is helped by trying it. And the nut job continues to comment on strings for the same reason, hatred of a campaign, without ever trying any of the rec. brids, just like pv. If I were to say, "I don't brid poly with poly blah blah, I wonder who would be nailing me for it? The same market haters that are doing so now, for the same reasons. Not based on anything they can substantiate.
     
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    Lol you guys are nuts. I honestly don't care about the banter and opinions. No problems whatsoever with TW Prof, levy, arch3, TenFanLa, mad dog1 (how can I, he likes Iontec :D ) or anyone else I've disagreed with. It's when someone states that my opinions are invalid because I prefer to hybrid poly with mutis and gut instead of other poly that I realize that it's not even fun banter anymore.
     
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    And that's a fantastic twist of my words from a legitimate opinion to something completely ridiculous. You are good at this.
     
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    Go in there. kiteboard even brought it into this thread. I now have zero credibility because I prefer to hybrid different string types than spend time with poly/poly. If I don't want a full poly feel, why would I assume a poly is going to give me the feel that I want when I use it as a cross? kiteboard has jumped on that perfectly legitimate opinion and is now shouting that I'm wrong about everything. He's not recommending things; he's recommending things and saying that everyone else's views are void for any number of reasons.

    You're fine, you and Torres going back and forth is extremely entertaining. This other gentleman must have a vested interest or something because he's making no sense.
     
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    That would be more lies and propaganda as there aren't any factories or shacks on Saville Row.
     
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    My Real Estate agent says the rent is sky high. If LTec shack were located in a more modest location, their strings would be marked up only to Mamba levels.
     
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    For a start, there is no bespoke LTec factory in the UK. There's not even a Ltec company in the UK. They simply buy in the strings from a manufacturer.
     
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    O ok, that explains why their syn guts are $18.. i thought they had to pay Kiteboard and associates 6 figures but that facility explains it all..
     
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    of course they dont have a factory, does L-Tec England even have a website?
     
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    The information the professor has provided is being misinterpreted. The string to string coefficient of friction has to be taken into consideration. The combo you chose with Barb Wire and Mosquito bite does not have a low COF string to string. Here is the professor's data with results of string to string friction. http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/COFreporter.php We can see the professor rates gut as the best string for mains with a poly cross to achieve a low COF. The professor was not disparaging gut by providing us with this data. The list isn't meant to be used as a reference as to which string gives more spin in a hybrid setup. I think you will find the data in the above link to coincide with real world testing of spin potential in a hybrid setup.
     
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    It seems tournes has given up our little spat. I claim victory because tournes was the first to quite! Long live groupie3! Victory! Victory! Victory!

    SPARTA!
     
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    If you're wrong about one thing, it doesn't mean you're wrong about all things. I apologize for inferring if I did, that. Play tests are more reliable to me, and they show bhbr and ytex above all other strings other than vs gut. Too bad they don't brid test. Now that's a great idea for a site. Play tests of any damn hybrid you want, and 33 guys making comments on all 280,000,000 combos.
     
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    That wasn't exactly "inferring."

    And he isn't wrong about it. You just seem to want to argue.
     
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    I found these conbos are just as good as L-tec and at least 1/3rd cheaper.

    Genesis Twisted Razor main/ Gosen Polymaster I or II cross for Spin, Control, Durability (Polymaster I lasts longer)

    Topsin Cyber Blue main/Gosen Polymaster I or II cross for Power, Spin, Durability (Polymaster I lasts longer)

    Gut or Multi main/Gosen Polymaster I or II cross for More Feel, Power, Spin.

    There try those. Save a few bucks and help the poor kids and those in needs.
     
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    Indeed, however that was not the intent of that playtest. Gut/poly produces huge amounts of spin. TWU tested and showed that, and I've experienced it myself. They also have the metrics that high ball-string friction and low string-string friction produce spin. Therefore, I wanted to see if I crossed their highest ball-string friction string with a smooth and stiff cross string (if the mains are doing the work, the ball-string friction string must be in the mains) if that would yield great amounts of spin. It was actually pretty good, until the Solinco started eating the MB. Simply an experiment of my own.
     
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    What tension would suggest as I usually go with VS Team mains at 58lbs and co-poly at 52lbs. Would you keep those settings or do you think I should go lower for both?
     
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    Torres should deck himself up in full Umbro gear and equip himself with a Mantis strung with L-tec strings... God save the occupants of the British Isles.

    You guys are such fanboys.

    I must admit the blue straws was rather amusing.
     
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    And there is nothing wrong with that xD
     
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    But wait, they show a British flag with their strings. This can't be!
     
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    hey who is in your avatar?
     
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    I would go 60/58 vs/os. Vs is such a great string, but it snaps on me, and when you string it lower, the power takes over the control. This tens. range is favored by Joker and many other pros who use vs/alu, but they don't know about os yet, and neither do most stringers period. As you can see, things change slowly even with those on line here who are addicted to trying the latest/best like me!
     
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    Another guy saying that poly should not be used as a cross! Another guy to put on the "He doesn't know what he's doing list."
     
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    So how many other guys think that poly is not distinctive enough to be used in cross as a hybrid with another poly? Other than the anti ltec crowd? What are they going to say when the Raven test comes out with ltec on top? What does Raven have to say about that poly point of view? Drakulie? I can predict that they will say, "Don't believe what you read on this forum by anyone who makes that argument."
     
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    Huh??? You totally lost me.

    If you are referring to my posts about LTEC, I stand by what I said. It does not do what is promoted by those pushing it. It does not hold tension as long as they claim it does, and does not miraculously make one a better player ( for example, jumping from a 3.5 to 4.5, etc).

    As for poly in a cross, especially when natural gut is in the equation, I have always promoted that using gut in the crosses is a waste.... it should be used in the mains with a poly cross. I actually had a very lengthy conversation with Ron Yu and Nate Ferguson earlier this year about this same topic.
     
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    actually, in my experience, from stringing at pro tourneys the last two years, there is a big shift to players using gut in hybrids, and dropping the fully poly string beds.
     
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    Care to share any information from that conversation? Sounds interesting.
     
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    I'll be posting a thread about my meeting with them in the next few days. As for my opinion of gut being used in the crosses, they agreed, but first wanted to know my reasoning. When I gave it to them, they pretty much agreed.

    The main "workhorse" of the string bed are the mains. I'll refer to them as the engine. The crosses, being the shocks of the car.

    When you put gut in the mains, you get power, spin, comfort, and a string that plays well for a long period of time. When you place poly in the crosses, it gives you the "shock" of the car and provides the gut a platform to move more freely to produce more spin. Nothing more. If you want more control, go with stiffer shocks or raise the tension.

    This same doesn't hold true when doing it the other way around (poly mains/gut crosses). Additionally, why waste a set of gut in the crosses, when any multi or soft sythetic will do the same thing at a much cheaper price. (soften up the feel of the poly)
     
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    Wondering why tennishouse is the only major online tennis store that sells ltec? Cant help but suspect tw has some ties to the brand lol :twisted:
     
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    Thanks Drak - I was already aware of the rationale for gut/poly hybrids; I was just curious if there was something new info-wise (new to me, anyway) from your conversation. Thanks for replying, and I'll be sure to check out the upcoming thread on this topic.
     
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    No website, and no Ltec England. No European distribution either.

    In fact, there's doesn't even appear to be a US website (only the string section of the retailer G&G) and there doesn't appear to be an 'LLC' or 'Inc' for Ltec in the US. Does anyone actually know what the acutal corporate entity is behind 'Ltec'?

    He's lost everyone else as well. An eccentric world of one is where the 'blue straw' one lives.
     
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    Hi drak. I have a cross question. I really like vs/rpm hybrid. But I found the string bed is affected by the tension loss in the rpm cross. When you say a stiffer cross for more control do you mean stiffer strings? Like alu? Or is tension maintenance more of an issue than stiffness in the cross?
    I really am a fan of the ltex 0s/4s hybrid. I'm guessing because its a very stiff string. I can string low. And it keeps tension longer that other polys. Tension loss of the 0s is around half that of rpm blast according to tw database results.

    If I start using a hybrid gut poly again is tension loss more important in the cross or overall stiffness of the cross? Cross with alu (stiffness + lots of tension drop) or cross with ltec (stiffness + less tension loss) for a longer playing string bed.

    I still have a stick with vs/rpm but the rpm has lost so much tension the strings don't perform as well as my full ltec setups after a couple matches.
     

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