Luxilon string and pain

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Do you think it causes pain

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  1. Pro_Tour_630

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    Luxilon string, do you think it causes pain ?
     
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  2. joe sch

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    Its painful but worth it to most advanced players because it has the best control of any type of string ever produced. The way to make poly strings much more comfortable and add playability is to hybrid with natural gut. Use the poly string for the crosses and the natural for the mains. Many ATP pros are using similar setups now. I also like this combination very much especially when used at a low tension, which is the other key for minimizing the painful effects.
     
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  3. finchy

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    IMO, it causes some of the pain. the rest comes from technique. not necessarily bad technique, just more extreme technique.
     
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  4. Pro_Tour_630

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    so in order to use luxilon, I have to Hybrid with natural gut and pay attention to technique !?!? why !?!?!? why do 4.5 players+ have to pay particular attention to technique and combine with natural gut when we are pain free with normal synthetics????!!!!!
     
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  5. finchy

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    actually, ill have to say that pain caused by technigue is 99.9% of the problem, the other .1% is material stuff (racquets, string).

    so if you get pain, then its your technique's fault mostly. there are some people out there that can withstand the harshness of bb ALU. our #3 varsity player string his ncode 95's at 65 with alu.

    i mean, look at andy roddick. he used nat gut and a poly and STILL got tennis elbow. know why? his technique.
     
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  6. Pro_Tour_630

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    finchy, I am a 5.5 player, why do I have pain when i use luxilon and do not have pain when I use normal synthetics?????? my technique is still the same using both stings???????

    finchy wrote:
    does that mean you had bad technique when playing with monogut?????
     
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  7. K!ck5w3rvE

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    Alu = pain.
    Timo = pain.
    Original = pain.
    etc etc

    SUPERSENSE = NO PAIN
     
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  8. jun

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    flinchy, i think you are misled here....

    harsh strings can cause arm problems. It might not absorb necessarily amout of shock for some people out there. So it's not alway technqiue.

    Roddick's elbow problem is something else. It's more likely due to overusage than technqiue alone. He does hit ball pretty violently, so technqiue could be part of the reason. But I would say it's overusage..
     
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  9. NoBadMojo

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    michael dont you know that poly strings change your technique from good to bad and that s why your wrist hurts? :) without question stiff strings like lux can give you wrist pain and problems.....couple that w. bad technique and it makes it even worse...also on older joints you will experience the problem sooner than if you are a kid. stiff strings also reduce the sweetspot size so you get the double whammy, and couple the lux w. a stiff frame (pd) and you'e got the trifecta going on. pros are the only people that should be using this stuff, and sometimes they even get injured by theoir string. i gotta laugh here because when polys first came out years ago, they were the cheapest string you could buy and no body <i mean nobody) would use them because they are such crap..i know the gear got more powerful and i guess you need to tame the power, but for the people on this board, why dont you just use a lower powered frame which will be much kinder to your body, and then you dont need the harsh string? i guess people just want to use what the pros use even if not the right choice...
     
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  10. Gaines Hillix

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    ALU - never had any pain and still don't. It's my string of choice.

    TIMO - yes, had elbow soreness after each match.

    Haven't used the others.
     
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  11. counterpuncher

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    Have to agree that Supersense gave me no pain whatsoever and Ace was almost as good in that regard with some ever so slight soreness when I used ALU.
     
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  12. perfmode

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    It means that the Alu uncovers your bad technique. You may play well with your current racquet but if you played with a ps85, it would uncover your bad technique the same way. The ALU is simply less forgiving than regular string. If you don't hit the sweetspot, you'll feel it.
     
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  13. finchy

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    nice explanation perfmode. i've never seen it in that perspective.
     
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  14. Pro_Tour_630

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    Perfmode, you might be confusing technique with STYLE,
    This reminds me of a particular contraceptive, not only will it hinder your performance; it has a 50/50 success rate in birth control???? Why use it in the first place?
     
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    If you use a racquet that is too demanding, it will hurt your arm, right? If you constantly hit off center or miss the tiny sweetspot, you will hate it.

    If you use a string that is too demanding (ie. BB Alu), it will hurt your arm. This string is still and makes the sweetspot smaller. If you miss the sweetspot, it will feel harsh and unforgiving regardless of your "style". Pro's don't have any problems using BB because they hit the sweetspot and don't have to deal with the harshness of offcenter hits. It's that simple.

    BB really reduces "useless" power and gives you tons of control over your shots. It is definitely worth it if you can handle it.
     
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  16. finchy

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    lol. i guess that means that a-rod cant hit the sweet spot...
     
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    What BB reduces power? huh? :?:

    I have not felt a string return more of the energy that I put into the shot until I have used BB Original. It takes a pretty good crack at the ball to make the string respond with some spring but that spring that I feel is like a sling shot. I used to have an extremely sensitive arm and could only use the softest of strings but after focusing on my form and making sure that I am hitting out in front of me, my arm is fine and I am now able to try out the Luxilon and other poly type strings.

    No pain at all anymore. I now only play with Luxilong Original or ALU because of the cupping type feel I get that makes me want to really go for my shots.

    I will let you all know if my arm is still holding up after a few months.

    I really think it is all about the tension and that it is important that you find it for your racquet. I strung Timo up at 60 lbs and after ten swings cut it out of my frame because it felt too stiff. I then put BB Original in at 57 and it was great. The only bad thing I can think of that I have found about these strings is the tension loss.

    ...and the freakin rats nest that you get when you try and string it up
     
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  18. intense2b

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    The reason you guys think Luxilon causes pain is because you all use the "popular" luxilon strings...alu or timo !!!

    I can't understand it but very few people use Luxilon Ace which happens to be the greatest string on the planet! It is very easy on the arm. Its like sitting in a plush cadillac.

    No one on this board hits the ball like agassi...therefore why on earth would you want to use the same string as he does. We have absolutely nothing in common with Agassi....try Luxilon Ace...you won't be sorry!
     
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  19. Pro_Tour_630

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    perfmode, 1/2 the people on this board who swing the PS 85 use it because of one person only and we all know who that person is, if it were not for him I doubt many people will use it, whether they have technique or not. I played the PS 85 and loved it, had no complaints on off center shots, due to my STYLE of play, I did not care for it, it had nothing to do with it being a demanding stick, it was just a bit stiff to my liking and concluded that it will be best suited in the hands of a S/V if there is such a breed left. Even though it has a peanut size sweet spot I can still find it and love the feel when I hit the sweet spot when used with normal strings at normal tension. As for BB Luxilon, it is not as you say has a "small sweet spot", it has NONE, even on a 125 OS stick. It feels like a 2X4 even if you strike the sweet spot if there is such a thing with luxilon BB!!!!!! 1/2 the people on this board play and swear by Luxilon, do they all have perfect technique!? can they all handle it the way you say it should be handled?!?!, most of them are below 4.5?!?! from what I conclude the only person on this earth who has perfect technique and uses a PS 85 with Luxilon is an 8.0 Federer, well he is not 100% perfect since he uses 1/2 luxilon with GUT, I guess even he can mis hit and has occasional technique hicups. Anyone below him is not worthy of playing full luxilon?!?! right?!?! 50% of the above voters are complaining about pain, and I bet you 1/2 of the other 50% who are still using it are using it only because pros use it, plain and simple, technique or no technique.

    If this is the case then all pros should switch to Luxilon plain and simple. Gut should not even be a choice for them?!? Right!?!

    As for the little cheerleader, a wannabe 3.5 player, I doubt he knows the difference between good and bad technique.

    Cheers
     
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    Hey, TIMO killed my shoulder for a month after an hour!!!!

    Ace felt fine. Prince, wilson, bab all okay.

    I play with an ncode 90, but at the time I tried it in a prostaff classic
    6.1 and a pure drive.

    Pain. Go figure. One vote for TIMO pain.
     
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  21. Pro_Tour_630

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    intense2b, like I said you have not tried Pacific Poly Power 18g, I treid both Ace and pacific and if you say Ace is like sitting in a plush caddilac, then Pacific Poly 18g is like sitting in Ushers Yacht !! the reason I did not like Ace is because it had a certine tinny sound to it, i think it has metalic compound, Pacific Poly Power 18g pockets the ball similar to their top of the line tough/prime natural gut.
     
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  22. Xevoius

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    michael chaho, I really think that when you say Lux BB "feels like you are hitting with a 2X4 and has no sweet spot" is becuase you have not experimented with lower string tensions. I felt the same way about it after I strung my racquet with Timo at 60lbs. I swear that Lux BB Original has been the best string I have used with my POG so far and that is after trying over 15 other brands. Incredible ball pocketing and engergy return.

    Look, I am a 30yr old 4.5-5.0 player that had a sensitive arm.

    The string is good.

    You said that if it is this good, why don't all the pros switch to it - well they basically have...

    Jose Acasuso Head Liquidmetal Prestige Mid Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 27/28
    Thierry Ascione Head Liquidmetal Radical Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/20
    Agustin Calleri Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/21
    Guillermo Coria Prince Experimental Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 20/20
    Alex Corretja Babolat Pure Drive Team Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 23/21
    Albert Costa Fischer Pro 1 FT Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 25/23
    Gaston Etlis Babolat Pure Control Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 18/18
    Wayne Ferreira Dunlop 200 G Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 24/24
    Fernando Gonzalez Babolat Pure Control + Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 20/20
    Luis Horna Babolat Pure Control Team Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 23/22
    Gustavo Kuerten Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 24/26

    Shall I continue? I really do have more.[/quote]
     
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  23. intense2b

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    I have no clue about pacific poly. I never even heard of it. It may blow Ace out of the water...but that was not my point.

    My point is that Luxilon Ace feels feels very plush .."like sitting in a cadillac." There may be other strings that are better...I'm just saying that this string feels great.

    As far as your other post regarding the PS 85, please allow me to stick my two cents in. I am of a dying breed. I am a 5.0 serve and volleyer. I love the ps 85 but only with gut and only for serve and volleys. It is too demanding of a racquet for me for groundstrokes or especially return of serves. For a while, I used the 85 on service games and then switched to a different racquet for return of serves. In the end however, I found my current stick superior on every shot except serves. If however, my opponenet is returning really well then I keep the 85 in my bag to serve up a few aces.
     
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    I have been a fan of Luxilon for quite some time. I use TIMO, and like it. I have recently moved over to the 18 gauge and found it plays more like a regular synthetic, but that may be because the 17 is so much harder playing (for lack of a better term). When I started playing with TIMO, I noted on these boards that I hated the feel, but loved the results. Well, the feel has grown on me to the point that I think I may be addicted, at least as far as the C10 goes. I am thinking about changing rackets and if I do, I'll play around with setup.

    I recently listened to a hour long talk that Warren Bosworth gave at some type convention. In it, he said that it was true when wood was king, that technique was responsible for tennis elbow. Now, he said that stiff, light equipment was just as much to blame as anything in technique. The combination of the two was a sure recipe for tennis elbow.

    My own thoughts? Truthfully, I thought at one time that Luxilon was responsible for my elbow. But, I played with the Vilas strung with gut for about 6 months, and when I went back to my C10s with TIMO, I haven't had a twinge since. I have really come to the belief that as you get older, physical problems will come and go (come more than go sadly). Once you find something that works, you should be very slow to change anything. If you have arm trouble, you should probably stay away from any type of polyester or kevlar. A buddy of mine who didn't have arm trouble and didn't know better strung a frame with a whole kevlar job at 67 pounds and....voila, he had arm trouble. He fixed it after I told him that it was probably his string job. His racket was a Head PT 280. If you have arm trouble, I would strongly recommend that you try a good multi or natural gut. Probably the best choice IMO for a mutli is LaserFibre. They don't lose tension and have great playability. For natural gut, you can't go wrong with BDE and I would recommend for arm trouble, a thicker gauge, 16 or even 15L.

    Bottom line, some products are wrong choices for some players. I don't have a problem with Luxilon, but have been told that it can contribute to arm problems if you lean that way. In the Warren Bosworth segement that I referenced earlier, he also said that grip size and shape can be big factors in arm problems. By simply changing the shape of a grip, you can elminiate arm problems. There are a number of factors that cause arm problems, finding the right combination for you is the hard part.
     
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  25. StringBreaker

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    I've used Alu and Alu Rough, in hybrids and I loathe the stuff. Instant soreness in the palm of my hands. Doesnt apply to all polys, Pro Hurricane is a poly and that doesnt hurt me at all.
     
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    Chacho, you got served. The entire ATP tour is basically BB and gut. If you were stringing for a tourney and you only have gut and bb, you'd be able to serve 95% of the players.


    Right now I don't use Luxilon because of the tension loss. I can't afford to restring every time I play. If I could afford to, I would use Luxilon BB 24/7 and not because pro's use it. It is simply the best playing string for me and one of the best strings on the market.
     
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  27. Xevoius

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    Yeah, I would never go into a tournament with a freshly strung racquet. It takes me about a half an hour to prime the strings so that they settle after their initial tension loss. I am now trying to string my racquet a lb or two tighter to compensate for the tension loss.

    I have heard of some people even enjoying playing with Lux strung in the 40 lb range.
     
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    This is right from BigBanger.be web site: 60% of top 200 ATP playes play with Luxilon. What about the other 40%? why aren't they playing Luxilon if it were that superior?!?! 30% of the WTA player play Luxilon, what about the other 70%!?!, Their LOCAL Belgian players do not play Luxilon like Henin and Kim C. These two players know something we all don't know?!?! They have bad technique?!?! as for Juniors 40% of boys play Luxilon and 15% girls, If these strings are that superior then all Juniors should be playing with them.

    Which brings me to wheelchair players playing with Luxilon. :twisted: No comment on this one regarding technique or pain...

    It is nice to see BigBanger has an AID FUND, only it should be put to good use and that is to pay for those players suffering from PAIN :roll:
     
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  29. Xevoius

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    Ok, now you are just trolling for an argument. How could 60% of top 200 ATP play with any product that feels like a 2X4 and has no sweetspot.

    I thought Tournagrip was a bogus grip up until last year, until I actually gave it a chance and did not judge it by my first ignorant impressions of it. I am sure more than 60% of top 200 ATP play with this product and there is definately a reason. Do I use it? No because I cannot afford to change my grip every match.

    Do I assume that since all the top 200 ATP Pros do not use it, it somehow sux? No. I think your logic is a bit flawed in this department. See you cannot prove that since 100% of a sample group does not use a particular product when given a choice, that product is bad. Think of it this way, since the majority (above 50%) of the highest ranking tennis players in the world play with this string, it must have some good qualities about it.

    I mean whose judgement do you think is more believable, yours or over 60% of the best tennis players in the world? I would recommend taking the stance of "It is probably a very good string, but it is just not for me". I would also suggest giving it another chance because if I just went with my first impressions of Lux BB Timo, I would probably have the same opinion you have. Remember, each type of Big Banger has its own characteristics.
     
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  30. Pro_Tour_630

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    Xevoius wrote:

    insinuating that they ALL have, you went on to list some players. My ref was to debunk your post, thats all. Furthermore most of these players picture are found on the package of the particular string Luxilon claims they play with, only to find out later that the photos are randomly chosen. How deceiving to poor soles who don't know better :roll: Any yes I have tried almost all Luxilon strings before they even made it to the US shores and at almost every tension 65-40 imaginable using many forms of stringing methods including UNIVERSAL METHOD OF PROPORTIONAL STRINGING to no avail.

    Xevoius wrote:

    I think perfmode can answer this question better :wink:
     
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  31. Xevoius

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    The sticker simply says that the player plays with Big Banger. I thought you were beyond buying products because a well known professional player was using it, well at least that is what you insinuated in an earier post. It seems like you are really reaching to find reasons to hate Luxilon BB string when you bring their marketing techniques and info from their website into the discussion.

    I think you are angry that you cannot enjoy the benefits of Big Banger because you experience pain when using it and are trying to sway the opinions of everyone else on this board. I suggest you record yourself playing and watch it back in slow motion. I felt pain too until I fixed my

    Poor Swing Mechanics

    :twisted:
     
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  32. Exci

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    I'm having some (read, SOME) occasional pain in my wrist as well with the Alu, but I'll have to find out if it's really the string though.

    If it happens to be the Alu, then so be it. I won't bring down Luxilon for their strings then, it just doesn't suit me then. In fact, I can understand why people actually LIKE it. Yes, LIKE it instead of DISlike it. The control and power is simply amazing and I had never thought such a stiff string would be able to do that. You, on the other hand, try to bring down Luxilon because of YOUR bad experiences with it. To do so, you come up with possible the worst arguments I have ever read in my whole life. Let's take, for instance, this one:

    A single brand providing strings for up to 60% of the top 200 players isn't impressive? What about the other 40%? They play about everything else, with the exception of Babolat, because they provide the Gut for the hybrids in that 60% as well. If 60% of the racquets is strung with whatever luxilon, wouldn't that ironicly show it's superiority? 120 players, among them players with different playstyles, yet they still provide 60% of them with Luxilon. Have you seen ANY 'superior' brand do that (again, apart from Babolat, because that also includes the gut).

    So why doesn't the other 40% play with it? You don't know. Perhaps they don't like it, perhaps they never tried, perhaps they're hesitant to try. Fact remains that no other single type of string, EXCEPT for GUT!, covers THAT much players. Period.

    As for the WTA: WTA isn't equal to ATP. Women aren't equal to men. Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to bring down women, but everybody can tell that no women would even make a chance in the top 100 men's game. Power wise they're just not on par. If you bothered to even think about this, you would have noticed that in the WTA tour, women use different racquets as well. They tend to get more to the 'power' side of it all, so why wouldn't you string it up with even more raw 'power'?

    Don't know why I would even bother with this, but have it your way. You are a prime example, my friend, of conspirency.



    Brand X is from their native country.
    Two famous players prefer native products over foreign products.
    Two famous players know everything about Brand X.
    Two famous players do not use Brand X.

    Brand X = evil



    Now you tell me, where does it go wrong? You can see where it goes wrong now, can't you? Now tell me, why couldn't you figure out yourself where you went wrong on that argument?

    Again you feel to see the point. 40% is still impressive, especially in the junior's tour, where the juniors tend to experiment with new stuff. As for the women, you've read my statement on that.

    Wheelchair players are considered as a whole different story. Why? Because they get little media coverage. Of course you're not hearing much of Luxilon then, when their coverage is bare to none. Ever heard a wheelchair player raving a Wilson nCode? Ever heard anybody asking what wheelchair player X is using for racquet and string? No. I have no idea what percentage of wheelchair players actually use Luxilon, or whatever brand, but neither do you. You fail to backup your point, making it a false argument.

    I could basically tear your posts apart, but I'll leave it with this one. It just consumes too much of my time to even bother with it. Just wanted to let you know that even bad experiences should have no effect on rationalism.
     
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  33. Xevoius

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    Can you feel it?
     
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  34. perfmode

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    Luxilon has 60% of the ATP players using their string. That means that they have more players than Wilson, Babolat, Yonex, Laserfibre, Tecnifibre and Ashaway combined. Sit the f.u.ck down; the arguement is over.
     
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  35. Exci

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    Read up, Babolat is a different story. Among those 60% are Lux/gut hybrids, which is covered mostly by Babolat. I'm not sure on their percentage.
     
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  36. Xevoius

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    :lol: Thanks everyone for making my workday a little better. I love when things get heated.
     
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  37. Pro_Tour_630

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    Xevoius, I read some of your previous posts, YOU ARE NEW TO LUXILON, give it some time and you will be here bitching about how it gives you pain. Time will tell my friend :wink:

    As for Exci, you had the time to bother with your long response to my thread?!?!?!? Repeat after me now and look at the total votes so far, 60% of the participants are compaining about pain

    For anyone interested this is Exci thread bitching about his girly wrist pain using Luxilon ROUGH:wink:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?p=121048&highlight=#121048
     
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  38. Exci

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    You're making it too easy..

    Now think again, who is among that 60% I have to repeat? Who voted 'yes' in that poll, yet has been able to come up with a rational approach to Luxilon strings?
     
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  39. ChrisNC

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    That's the thing that really bugs me about ALU. It sounds like you're hitting the ball with a small chain-link fence. I like the string, but without a good dampener, it'd drive me nuts. BTW, in my case, good dampener = rubber band
     
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    this isnt even a good argument. it might be if we were all pros, then MAYBE you could build a case for harsh poly strings. there are more than 50% of the posters in this survey that say they have pain from these strings, and that doesnt even take into account those that have the pain and are too vain to admit it because they for some reason use this crap, and those who havent been using it long enough to have the pain. i can assure you that if you use these strings for a long period of time, you are most likely to have a physical problem because of them. as far as it being a great feeling string..well..no comment. the reality is this string would be laughed at today as it was when it first came out years ago if the racquets werent so powerful these days..so to summarize most of you defenders of this product are defending something which is probably by far the cheapest to manufacture which gives you the best chance of not being able to play T when you get a little older..there are people that have found ways to like this string like rabbit who uses it at very low tension and in a super flexy frame, and there are always exception. if the stuff was good, even the pros wouldnt have a reason to hybrid it now would they. i'll be glad when the fad goes away and people wake up because i am tired of my lessons (lots of them juniors) cancelling their lessons w. me because they are injured and happen to use some poly and worst yet some poly in a pd+.
     
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  41. Pro_Tour_630

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    NoBadMojo wrote:

    SO TRUE, we have Xevoius and Exci who fit the bill!!!!!!! What is truly amazing and Ironic the two people who are bitching on this thread are both Luxilon users who have been complaining about pain !!!!!!! Another thing that is funny and it always occurs on these boards is when you crap all over someone’s equipment/gear of choice they immediately take it personal and start on the defensive. Poor souls, Luxilon is laughing at you all the way to the bank!!!!!!!!

    ChrisNC wrote:

    Very True, the one thing that people overlook which happens to be one of the most important factor in string selection is SOUND. I might add, that is the way I feel about all Luxilon strings, they all sound tinny and dead. Hey I am not against all Polys there are Ploys that I enjoy, Pacific Poly Power 18g and Poly Polar 17g,

    Perfmode, take a chill pill, most of these %60 atp players are hybriding with babolat Gut, listen to Exci

    Exci wrote:
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACBAB-BNG16.html

    Look at the pros using Babolat natural gut, enough said, oh wait Federer is on that list, but wait I thought he uses Luxilon. Fact is BABOLAT can also claim that more than 60% of professional players play with Babolat gut!!!!! Reason you poor souls don’t play with it is because you cannot afford to. :mrgreen:
     
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  42. tennisboy87

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    Federer uses Wilson natural gut, not Babolat lol.
     
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  43. Xevoius

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    You tell him tennisboy!
     
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  44. Richie Rich

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    I think Ed (nobadmojo) made a good point that is buried in his post. Most pro's that use lux are playing with older, heavier, flexier racquets that can help absorb some of the harshness of the string. Also, if you look at their tensions most are in the 22-25 kilo range which is only 48-55 lbs. Anyway, how many of these guys get physio and treatment on their wrists/elbows/shoulders that we never know about? Most get a good massage after every match. That is something the normal person just doesn't have access too.

    I've tried it in my c-10's and I'm on the fence. Nice pop, decent feel with a multi/soft string cross hybrid, but I can see how playing with this stuff for a few years will take it's toll on wrists/arms/shoulders. Experimenting with tensions but low 50's seems to be a must. Any higher and you might as well put wire in your racquet.
     
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  45. Xevoius

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    Mojo, Mojo, Mojo

    I would like to start by saying that all of our opinions on the string are valid even though we may not be professional tennis players. I really do not even understand why you would say they were not other than you were just trying to find something bad to say about the string but could not think of anything with substance.

    I could give a rats arse that Luxilon makes this string or that any pros use it, all I know is that it feels like the stringbed cups the ball and has very high level of energy return. I am very sensitive to my body and I had to stop playing tennis for a month when I was using improper swing mechanics on my forehand and serve however, after fixing my problems, I feel no pain whatsoever, the strings do not even feel harsh, when I use Lux BB Original or ALU.

    By the way your argument about the only reason this string is popular is because of current high powered frames is another bogus perspective as I and several others have been talking about using this string with 20+ year old frame models - POG and PS.

    Is Luxilon BB the cheapest to manufacture? I would not mind some type of proof for this statement otherwise it is more meaningless propaganda similar to what michael chaho has been spewing.

    Hmm? I just string it up in my frame at 58 lbs and it plays great. There was no "trying" involved in the process.

    You are using michael chaho's same flawed logic again. You may want to re-read a few posts above before you start to type up a response.

    Might I suggest that you teach them how to use proper stroke mechanics. I mean, that is what you are getting paid for, right?

    :p
     
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  46. NoBadMojo

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    cant teach them good mechanics if they cant show up for the lessons because they are injured from using harsh strings and/or stiff harsh frames Xeviuous. btw Tennisboy, wilson doesnt make their own gut string..it's made for them by guess who? you all are certainly welcome to use whatever youy like, but there is a direct correaltion between stif strings and pain as there is w. light stif racquets and pain......good stroke production is quite obviously sonmething to be strived for especially these days when harsh gear can make for harsh pain.....this string hasnt even been in 'vogue' long enough to expose the inherent dangers of it, and still 60% of the people say the stuff hurts them...and those are only the ones who will admit it.....there's gonna be even more people complaining of pain and probs when they use it for a longer period of time, but you all just do what you want and you can all be right and all the 60% people on this informal poll that say its harmful can be wrong, but we'll be the ones more likely to be playing pain and injury free.
     
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  47. Xevoius

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    Just for everyone's knowledge and so it is clear, here is some data we can all use for the discussion.

    From the USRSA website

    Total players = 68

    Player/ Racquet/ Main strings/ Cross strings /Tension

    B = Lux on Both = 26 H = Lux as Hybrid = 12

    Jose Acasuso Head Liquidmetal Prestige Mid Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 27/28 B
    Mario Ancic Yonex Ultimum RD Ti 80 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 27/26 H
    Igor Andreev Babolat Pure Drive + Team Babolat Pro Hurricane 1.30 Babolat Pro Hurricane 1.30 26/25
    Hicham Arazi Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.25 23/22 H
    Thierry Ascione Head Liquidmetal Radical Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/20 B
    Julien Benneteau Babolat Pure Drive + Babolat Polymono 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.30 28/27
    Mahesh Bhupathi Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 Wilson Natural gut 1.30 Wilson Natural gut 1.30 25/25
    Agustin Calleri Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/21 B
    Guillermo Canas Wilson Hyper Pro Staff Tour Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.20 Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.20 23/23
    Guillermo Canas Wilson Hyper Pro Staff Tour Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.20 Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.20 25/25
    Juan Ignacio Chela Babolat Pure Control + Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 26/25
    Arnaud Clement Head Liquidmetal Prestige Babolat VS Team 1.30 Babolat VS Team 1.30 25/25
    Guillermo Coria Prince Experimental Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 20/20 B
    Alex Corretja Babolat Pure Drive Team Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 23/21 B
    Albert Costa Fischer Pro 1 FT Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 25/23 B
    Nikolay Davydenko Head i.Radical Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat Twin Gut 1.35 25/24 H
    Taylor Dent Wilson Wilson Pro Staff ROK Babolat VS Touch 1.30 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 26/26
    Antony Dupuis Head i.prestige Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.28 Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.28 25/24
    Nicolas Escude Babolat Pure Drive + Team Babolat VS Team 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.25 28/28
    Gaston Etlis Babolat Pure Control Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 18/18 B
    Roger Federer Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90 Wilson Natural gut 1.30 Luxilon Alu Power rough 1.25 26/25 H
    Wayne Ferreira Dunlop 200 G Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 24/24 B
    Robby Ginepri Babolat Pure Control Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 25/25
    Fernando Gonzalez Babolat Pure Control + Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 20/20 B
    Sebastiein Grosjean Head Liquidmetal Prestige Babolat VS Team 1.30 Babolat VS Team 1.30 24/24
    Tommy Haas Dunlop 200 G Babolat VS Touch 1.30 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 34/32
    Paul Hanley Topspin 630 Pro Tour Klip Legend 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power rough 1.25 24/23 H
    Luis Horna Babolat Pure Control Team Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 23/22 B
    Joachim Johansson Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.25 26/26 H
    Thomas Johansson Dunlop 300 G Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.30 27/27 H
    Ivo Karlovic Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat Twin gut 1.25 25/25 H
    Nicolas Kiefer Wilson Pro Staff 5.1 Babolat VS Team 1.27 Babolat VS Team 1.27 27/27
    Mark Knowles Head i.prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.25 20/20 H
    Stefan Koubek Wilson Hyper Pro Staff Isospeed Energetic 1.20 Isospeed Tournament 1.20 25/25
    Karol Kucera Yonex RD Ti 50 Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.30 Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.30 29/28
    Gustavo Kuerten Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 24/26 B
    Irakli Labadze Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 23/23 B
    Giovanni Lapentti Babolat Pure Control + Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 21/21
    Nicolas Lapentti Babolat Pure Drive + Babolat VS Team 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.25 26/26
    Hyung-Taik Lee Head Prestige Tour 660 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Team 1.35 25/25 H
    Harel Levy Babolat Pure Drive Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 Babolat Ballistic Polymono 1.30 27/27
    Feliciano Lopez Babolat Pure Drive + Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 27/25 B
    Xavier Malisse Prince Tour Diablo Babolat Fiber Tour 1.30 Babolat Fiber Tour 1.30 27/27
    Alberto Martin Babolat Pure Drive Luxilon Original 1.38 Luxilon Original 1.38 25/23 B
    Todd Martin Wilson H Tour Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Babolat VS Touch 1.30 26/26 H
    Nicolas Massu Babolat Pure Control + Team Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 24/24 B
    Jurgen Melzer Sportastic More Area Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 29/28 B
    Max Mirnyi Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 Wilson Natural gut 1.25 Wilson Natural gut 1.25 26/26
    Juan Monaco Head Liquidmetal Radical Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/22 B
    Carlos Moya Babolat Pure Drive Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 28/28 B
    Rafael Nadal Babolat Aero Pro Babolat Tour Duralast 1.35 Babolat Tour Duralast 1.35 24/24
    Jarkko Nieminen Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 23/23 B
    Andrei Pavel Fischer Pro No. 1 Luxilon Ace 1.12 Luxilon Supersense 1.25 25/24 B
    Mark Philippousis Head Prestige Classic 600 Babolat VS Team 1.30 Babolat VS Team 1.30 33/33
    Todd Reid Dunlop 200 G Klip Legend 130 1.30 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 22/22 H
    Tommy Robredo Dunlop 300 G Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 25/24 B
    Marat Safin Head Liquidmetal Prestige Babolat VS Team 1.30 Babolat VS Team 1.30 30/29
    David Sanchez Wilson Pro Staff 6.1 Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 25/24 B
    Fabrice Santoro Head i.Radical Tecnifibre Original 1.35 Technifibre Original 1.35 23/22
    Rainer Schuettler Head Liquidmetal Prestige Polystar Classic 1.25 Polystar Classic 1.25 25/24
    Robin Soederling Head Liquidmetal Prestige Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 27/27 B
    Vincent Spadea Prince Graphite Oversize Prince Natural gut 1.29 Prince Natural gut 1.29 29/29
    Franco Squillari Head Liquidmetal Radical Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 21/21 B
    Fernando Verdasco Tecnifibre TFEEL 315 Luxilon Original 1.30 Luxilon Original 1.30 29/27 B
    Martin Verkerk Head Liquidmetal Prestige Mid Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 26/25 B
    Mikhael Youzhny Head Liquidmetal Instinct Pacific PolyForce 1.24 Pacific TourGut 1.25 27/26
    Mariano Zabaleta Head i.prestige Mid Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 Luxilon Alu Power 1.25 25/25 B

    Sample Set Summary:

    The number of players using Luxilon String outnumber the players using all other types of string by more than 2 to 1.

    The players that use Luxilon string for both mains and crosses out number the hybrid users by more than 2 to 1.
     
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    right...those are tour pros. tour pros can hit a small sweetspot, tour players have more access to therapy and sports medicine, tour players use heavier more flexy bats, tour players are better trained and have stronger muscles and tendons for tennis, tour players will accept playing in pain if it gains them more points, tour players dont seem to be so interested in playing T until a ripe old age...all for the most part of course. your post has really little to do with this thread because the whole point is that what works for the pros isnt necessarily better for the club player.
     
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  49. Mulligan

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    Chaho...in my humble opinion you should not "crap all over someone's gear/equipment" in the first place. Life is too short to dis what others are using just because you've got a problem with it. Offer some constructive critisism and move on. Lux might be perfect for some players just as a LM Prestige might make more sense than an iPrestige or some 10 year old Head frame to a certain type of player. To each their own.
     
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  50. Xevoius

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    Mojo,

    I think your sig is totally fitting for the amount of spin you are putting into your responses. I really liked the part about how pros don't really want to play tennis in their later years :roll: .

    Look, it seems like common sense to look at pro players gear as they are are the tennis elite that have had the opportunity to try out as many types of string as they want at any tension they would like with no regaurd for cost or time and are going for what helps their game the most.

    I am not buying your speech on tour players this and tour players that. My post was to make it clear to everyone what the distribution of Luxilon users were in a small sample of tour players. This seemed to be important since there were comments being made, such as your baseless comment
    that needed to be cleared up.

    Name me one other sport where a decent amature player could not and should not use the same eqiupment for possibility of injury that a professional would use. Let's keep it fair and maintain that both players are close to the same age and stature and assume of course that the professional player's skill is much higher.

    I think that looking at equipment trends that professional players use is a great way for a club player to get an edge.
     
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