M1000 Monte Carlo - Grigor Dimitrov vs. [3] Rafael Nadal

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by merwy, Apr 18, 2013.

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Well, what's gonna happen?

  1. Dimitrov in 2

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  2. Dimitrov in 3

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  3. Nadal in 2

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  4. Nadal 3

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  1. Onehandedbackhand

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    Clarky, he's winning the tournament. Just accept that your predictions suck, and you'd make Las Vegas even more rich than it is now.
     
  2. MichaelNadal

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    Lol, Rafa did play well yesterday, you know this is a different match today right? And the first time he hasn't played well in a while. You'll continue to get jumped on because you make asinine predictions and Nadal keeps winning and winning... and winning.... and you'll be wrong yet again when he's holding the trophy. :oops:
     
  3. Clarky21

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    He's been playing poorly since this tournament started. He played poorly yesterday too even if some folks deny it. He's looked like crap from the start.
     
  4. eliars

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    Or maybe his showing in Brazil this year. Al though the streams were beyond horrible, so much that it was hard to see how Rafa really played there. But from what I was able to see his level there was perhaps on par with that 2nd set.
     
  5. Speranza

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    Oh the judgement in your comment.
     
  6. Clarky21

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    No he didn't. Check out the match stats to see for yourself. Or you could actually watch the match and see how many silly errors he was making, especially into the net.
     
  7. Onehandedbackhand

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    It is so guaranteed that Rafa wins this tournament...

    I mean who is going to beat him? Limp Djokovic? He'll be lucky to get five games.
     
  8. MichaelNadal

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    Give it a rest. First of all I watched the match last night, you realize UE's are a part of tennis right? Being aggressive and running over an opponent in straights in 80 minutes is a good match. Rafa was NEVER even anywhere close to feeling pressure he'd lose and his level of play was high. So says everyone but you. I know you're furious about it but you'll just have to deal with another Rafa win here :)
     
  9. eliars

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    Yeah I mean, Rafa obviously only wins cause of the unfair lefty moonball forehand he possesses and was winning just because he kept the balls in play in this match (which he obviously was doing a great job with, punctuated by his 36 UE) ;-)

    Did anyone one of you actually watch this match?
     
  10. Blinkism

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    People are forgetting that Nadal came back from a 7 month injury break not too long ago.

    He might still need to get into the groove of day-in-day-out tennis.

    Chill, peoples. Chill.
     
  11. Feather

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    Sad that Baby lost, still am happy with his performance!

    This doesn't augur well for Rafa's clay prospects. I really doubt whether he will defend all his points from last year
     
  12. Flash O'Groove

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    Yep. Finally a youngling worthy to root seriously for!

    I'm not worried for Nadal though. He can play well or he can play bad, there is nobody remaining in the field to trouble him. That was the last interesting match of the tournament.
     
  13. Feather

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    That excuse won't work after two or three tournaments
     
  14. Speranza

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    I didn't say I agree with the poster, I just found your comment amusing and judgmental :)

    Personally, I got to see the last set, and part of the second set. That lefty moonballing tactic, although not the reason he'd have won the match, is one of his main effective weapons on the dirt that is red. It alone CANNOT be the reason he won, or wins the amount he does. But it sure helps him, more so to those with OHBHs.

    As for the 36 unforced errors? That explains why it was a close match in terms of the result.
     
  15. Speranza

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    Good England, I likes it :)
     
  16. Towser83

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    I said i would be pleased if it was competitive, i didn't say he would barely win games. I also said Nadal playing crap would still beat most players, according to you he played crap so i was right.

    Also what about when at last years French open where i said djokovic would have to up his game against tsonga or he'd lose and you said he had no chance of losing, but he had to save 5 match points? Did you give me any credit for being nearer the mark than you? No. stick to the same rules.
     
  17. Rocky89

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    He hasn't been as sharp this tournament that much is true, but hopefully he can improve. His lapses in concentration worry me though.

    Wouldn't that be as ridiculous as me saying 'I told you so' after predicting Nadal would win a match and he instead loses in a tight 3 setter? :lol:
     
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    Gained respect for both players today. Attacked and defended so well and handled the balls to his backhand so well. Nadal, despite under pressure, was able to hold his nerve, and executed on the key points extremely well.
     
  19. Rocky89

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    True, the new generation has been so disappointing so far. Hopefully Dimitrov can live up to expectations, I like the way he plays!

    Nadal still has to get through Tsonga, that could be interesting.
     
  20. eliars

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    I can certainly put up with the tag 'judgmental' as long as I get to point out the ignorance in other people's posts.

    The so called 'moonball tactic' is moot. What Rafa does most of the time is hit topspin forehands (the distinction and definition is clear if you play tennis). And yes, the topspin he is able to generate is certainly one of the reasons why he's good on clay.

    As for the match you would see that Dimitrov actually did will with handling the topspin to his backhand (a pattern of play that Rafa didn't employ too much today anyway). If said poster had watched the match, he would also realize that Rafa wasn't just 'waiting for mistakes' but actually on the contrary making the mistakes himself, stemming from Dimitrov being comfortable playing defensively and Rafa being too impatient/looking out of sorts.

    So yeah those are the main reasons why said poster was being ignorant (and why I'm being judgmental :roll:)
     
  21. Polvorin

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    Well, if I didn't watch the match, clearly I'm not the only one. Maybe nobody did. :shock:
     
  22. eliars

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    Alright so you think he did. Let me ask you this. Do you think Dimitrov played less forehands crosscourt to Nadal's backhand than the other way around?

    The whole notion that it's almost considered faux pas if Nadal goes cross with his forehand to the opponents backhand in a point, but not the other way around is puzzling :)
     
  23. Fiji

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    Nadal is an unforced errors machine these days.:lol:
     
  24. TennisFan3

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    Credit to Nadal for holding his nerve. The one thing that was impressive from Nadal was that he remained unflappable in set 2 and set 3 - even when he was behind. Other than that, I was puzzled on how much his game looked different from IW. His forehand errors were unusual and it was weird how he had a hard time clearing the service line in set 2. This compared to IW where he was stepping up and hammering his off-forehand. Baby Fed looked like the better player for most of set 2 and set 3, until finally Rafa Came through.

    Very impressed with Dmitrov. He has a good head on his shoulders and his drop shots were great. He also generates serious pace on his forehand when he wants it.

    For Nadal - he needs to up his game. His footwork on the forehand looked awry sometimes (strange for him) and his backhand, which has generally been solid since his return, lacked depth. I'm sure Nadal will tighten his game. The encouraging thing was that he was still trying to go for his shots - so 36 UFE is not such a bad stat for him. Overall, definitely not Rafa's finest day in Monte Carlo. It would have been weird if a 9 yr winning streak were to be broken today, and there was every chance of that happening. Let's see how the rest of the tournament pans out.
     
  25. Mustard

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    Impressive by Dimitrov, good style of play against Nadal, and good mental toughness, but his fitness needs to improve. Nadal showed once again how brilliant he is, a great first set and withstanding loads of pressure towards the end to get the win.
     
  26. tusharlovesrafa

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    LOL yes! I watched the last set,there was no sun and ball wasn't zipping of the court.Can any one give me the match stats?
     
  27. eliars

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    Yep. It seemed almost as though he's changed his tension in his racket or something.

    The great depth and length I've complimented him on having on his shots since his return was all awol today. How effortlessly he was able to generate pace in IW, MC seems to be a different story altogether.

    Conditions today were very damp, so perhaps the lower ball bounce did have something do to with it, although Rafa really should be able to adjust to that and certainly not be given as an excuse for his poor display.
     
  28. forzamilan90

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    Those that watched the match...did Dimitrov's backhand hold up to the assault?
     
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    Gutted I missed this match. Was it worth watching if I can find it later on?
     
  30. Towser83

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    I only saw parts of it but if seemed pretty solid. he did dump a few in the net but it seemed more a timing issue more than trouble dealing with topspin high balls.
     
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    It did really well, I had a 2 hour delay at school so I watched most of the match, except for the last 4 games. Normally Fed's backhand falls apart to Rafa but Dimitrov held on and was a force with his backhand. I didn't expect Dimitrov to win but after the second set I thought he could. Overall the 3rd set was where Dimitrov let up a bit(imo) but he played really great. Rafa's topspin didn't bother Dimitrov too much, much like the Gulbis match really in terms of the topspin effect.
     
  32. Speranza

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    First bold part, you said it, most of the time. It's arguably the most effective shot on clay courts currently from any player, ugly or not. If it works, use it! He is known to moonball also though, from both wings...

    Second bold, I agree, he was making more mistakes. Was he going for more would you say, which is against his normal tactics? Perhaps that's why we became out of sorts.
     
  33. TennisFan3

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    Good post. Nadal does increase tension for clay and other slower surfaces. It's also the mindset he has. I guess he believes that on hards and grass he has to be aggressive to win, but on clay he can play more within his comfort zone. Taking the ball on the rise and hitting it cleanly doesn't come as naturally to Rafa as you would expect. But he's improved in the past, and when he throws caution to the wind, it's a sight to behold.
     
  34. marc45

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    definitely.... after 2-2 in the first set it was easy for rafa in the first, but things picked up quickly in the second and stayed tight and dramatic throughout...they both played hard and often at a high level
     
  35. gsharma

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    Please learn what a moonball is. Check out the video below to learn the art of moonballing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WUm-fr4jC78#t=15s

    Hitting with topspin takes enormous coordination, leg strength, core strength and racquet head-speed. Occasionally hitting off pace is not moonballing.
     
  36. kalyan4fedever

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    All signs are in favor of rafa winning mc for the 9th freaking time with djokovic being struggling with his ankle and all
     
  37. pds999

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    Bob, your man is taking a hell of a beating already.
     
  38. eliars

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    My emphasis was just to point out that hitting topspin doesn't equal moonballing; Rafa does hit 'moonballs'/high balls sometimes when he's defending, there's no denying that, but the regular balls he hits with good net clearance that kick like a mule when they hit the other side of the court - how can that ever be called 'moonballing'?

    Haters will of course intentionally ignore this and continue referring to them as such as there is an underlying negative connotation in the word 'moonballing'.

    As for your question. I think Rafa, ever since his return, has been more willing to attack the ball and go for his shots more than he did before. The plausible explanation for him doing so, from what I can gather is:

    a) playing more aggressive as a result of wanting to avoid the wear and tear on his knees in the future which will make him extend his career
    b) playing more aggressive as a result of him not being as fast/flexible on the court as he was before due to the current state of his knees

    Regardless of what cause/effect it may be, Rafa has, since his comeback, definitely played more aggressive and hit more errors on clay than before. Is this positive? Today Rafa tried to hit himself out of trouble too quickly in the 2nd set, instead of using his clay court experience, being patient and construct the points before attacking.

    So to answer your question: He didn't look any differently strategy-wise that he's done so far this year on clay; it was more the execution that let him down today. Compared to his 'usual self' on clay (previous years) yeah he definitely looks different. I hope he gets more bite on his shots the coming matches as his movement still looks like a mere shadow of its former self, in my opinion.
     
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  39. Fiji

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    Dimitrov is the future of tennis.
     
  40. Legend of Borg

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    WOW, Grigor was cramping AGAIN?

    Come on man, fix that fitness already. He's been having these cramping episodes for years now it's the same ****e over and over in these longer drawn out matches. If he can't last a best of 3, how the hell is he gonna win a best of 5 in Grand Slam?

    Fix that damn fitness and beat one of these top 3 players already.
     
  41. Clarky21

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    He is and has been the entire tournament. He's a mess out there, and Tsonga is probably going to beat him tomorrow. I don't see how he can possibly win this tournament playing this way.
     
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    I'm so glad you pointed this out. I've heard the same nonsense mentioned about Gasquet's backhand rally ball. It's just so dumb.

    For those who want to know what a moonball is. Here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Jmi739lvM&t=10s
     
  43. namelessone

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    Dimitrov, just like DelPo, needs to up his fitness.

    Regardless of how "physical" tennis has gotten, you can't be out with cramps after 2 hours and in cool weather to boot. That's kinda embarrassing, especially for a top athlete like Grigor.

    Rafa,Andy,Novak,Fed are all exquisitely prepared for long matches in GS's.

    If Dimitrov can't hold it physically for 2 out of 3 in cool weather how the hell is he gonna survive a five setter in AO, to give just one example?
     
  44. gsharma

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    These people play tennis on their couch.
     
  45. Cesc Fabregas

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    Funny how you don't mention Djokovic losing sets to Youzhny and Monaco.
     
  46. Fiji

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    Plus he is banging Maria.
     
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    Myth.

    He's her purse boy at best.

    I heard he's goin after Serena.
     
  48. Clarky21

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    Nadal isn't the best player in the world; Cvac is. Cvac is also practically unbeatable, even in close matches. His fans have nothing to worry about since he's going to win the title.
     
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    Oh why don't you just admit that Grigor was better than Nadal! Nadal was lucky that Grigor injured his leg at the end... The 2 and the 3 set Grigor outshined Nadal!!! Much better shots and much more beautiful game to watch!
     
  50. Towser83

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    Just realised that Dimtrov has come the closest of anyone to beating Nadal at MC.

    Nadal has won 4 of his 8 title without dropping a set. Including today's match, he has lost just 7 sets in total across the last 9 MC events!

    But today was technically the closest with Dimitrove just 2 games behind on aggregate. He also was 6 points from the win,not sure if anyone has got that close before? The closest in games aggregate before was ... Mr Andy Murray, with a 3 game gap.
     

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