Mac vs Windows [Merged]

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  1. 2nd_Serve

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    Which one would you get and why?

    I'm a high school student taking Computer Science 1 AP, and plan on taking Computer Science 2 AP.

    I also plan on using it on college.

    So .... It's for a student. Which is better?

    And btw, I've never tried a mac before.
     
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  2. Feña14

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    Well, is there anything you don't like about Windows?

    I got tired of the maintenance and things misbehaving so switched to a Mac, it probably took me a bit longer than most to get used to, but now I can't imagine using anything else.

    Go down to the Apple store and have a little play around, you could probably get a nice student discount too.
     
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  3. abenguyen

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    honestly pc's have so many issues it really gonna either be the same or a little more in keeping them working 'well'. though honestly i just got a new laptop that i'm using now for $650(split 1/2 with parents) and its been working great.

    its got 3gb ram, 250gb hard drive, nvidia graphics 7150, 15.4 in screen, vista 32-bit home premium and its been working extremely well.

    though MAC's are just plain awesome, if i could have the option of either, i'd have both
     
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    If it is for computer science, PC is the way to go. There are so many software tools and hardwares to play with, you will forget about getting a girlfriend in no time.
     
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  5. mucat

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    "PC" does not have issues. PC is the hardware. Heck, Mac uses PC hardwares nowaday.
     
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    CSCI majors are better suited to work with PC.

    Anything on the technical side, PC is preferred.

    Anything on the creative side, Mac is preferred.

    Ultimately, it's up to personal preference. I use a PC at home and a Mac at work.
     
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    Many better universities teach with Unix (or a variant). Some college professors will flunk your program submissions if there is any sign that it was done on a Windows system.

    I see a lot of professional software engineers using Macs today - especially in the open source world.
     
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  8. superstition

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    No, Macs run Windows natively now. In fact, if you use Apple's Boot Camp software (an idiotic name, btw), you get a screen with two nice boxes that let you choose Windows or OS X at log-in.

    Is OS X better than Vista? Yes. Will you need to have Windows installed for many games? Yes. (Stick with XP.)
     
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    sorry let me rephrase what i said.

    microsoft pc's occasionally have issues but not anything big.

    like a previous poster said, Mac is on the creative side, anything photoshop, movie maker all that stuff, but microsoft pc's can do that too if you get programs. pc's also work better for videogames if you are a gamer. you can play games on mac's too but you just have too look a little for them
     
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  10. Hot Sauce

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    PC, baby. Much cheaper, and they have better programming/customization software.
     
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    This is debatable. I personally feel the solid metal case, which acts like a heat sink and protects the motherboard from plastic case flex, the LED backlighting, high-quality keyboard and trackpad, and other features of my MacBook Pro are worth what I paid for it. Plus, the ability to run OS X as well as Windows is worth some additional cost. Given that "PCs" can't run OS X without significant hacking (and then usually have problems like lack of sleep mode), there is a steep additional cost involved in buying a "PC" if you want to run OS X, eh?

    Macs run Windows natively, but OS X is a better general-purpose OS than Vista.
     
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    PC, because its easier to use, Apple sux, i hate the mouse also one button click, wth 2 buttons is so much better also Windows format is easier to use
     
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  13. superstition

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    All Macs come two two-button trackpads and mice. My MacBook Pro even has a three finger control trackpad. Try again.
     
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  14. superstition

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    The "Mac vs. PC" debate is dead. Macs are PCs, only with the ability to run OS X without hacking.

    That's it. That's the only difference, aside from the feature set of the hardware.

    Is it worth it to pay a bit extra to get native OS X? Absolutely it my opinion. If all you're going to do is play games, though, it's not worth it.
     
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    Competition for market/user base will only make both better.
     
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  16. Hot Sauce

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    The price isn't really debatable. PC's are generally much cheaper than Macs. Macs are probably built better (with the features you have listed), but as far as I know, they don't have the option of cheaper notebooks that college and university students could be looking for. In my opinion, it really comes down to preference of the user when choosing between a Mac or PC notebook in the same price range. I don't know why anyone would want to run OS X on a PC, though. XP or Vista do just fine.
     
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    Can Macs use any mice or does it have to be exclusively the Apple ones?
     
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  18. shavenyak

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    I was a PC user since DOS. When I went back to school I bought a Mac and I'm happy as a clam. I use Boot Camp to run windows XP for gaming, which it does fantastically well (Macbook Pro), and use OSX for anything else. With the ability to run pretty much any OS you want on it's own partition, it's a great machine for Computer Science, IMHO.
     
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  19. shavenyak

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    It is debatable if you compare quality component specs.
     
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  20. shavenyak

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    OSX has the drivers for evey mouse made built in, so if you want to plug in your 17 button logitec gaming mouse, it will run it just fine.
     
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    I guess since you're not very familiar with Macs you shouldn't state that the price issue isn't debatable.
     
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    The biggest issues are the operating system support and component choices. "PCs" can't run OS X without hacking and are unlikely to run it well enough to make laptop use viable. A Mac run both operating systems flawlessly, with even a convenient log-in screen as I mentioned with a single-click choice between the two. Metal encased laptops aren't common in the market. I think Sony may make one and has an even more expensive carbon fiber model. A metal case provides rigidity to protect system components from flex when the laptop is transported, which is important. It also acts like a heat sink which keeps fan noise down. LED backlighting saves a bit of energy and should last longer than conventional fluorescent bulb backlights. Fit and finish is an area Apple excels in. Even the power cord is a superior design that's magnetic so if you bump it it simply will detach, preventing the common "loose power cord" syndrome that causes major problems for many laptop users.

    As for OS X, it's a much less "in your face" operating system than Windows. It doesn't have the horrific "I threw up blue everywhere" look of XP, or the harassing of little messages popping up about unused icons and other crap. It doesn't have DRM like Vista that slows the system to a crawl, either.
     
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  23. william7gr

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    Go to your local apple store http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/ and try a mac out use all of the features and ask someone about some of the cool things it can do and you will love it. BTW I love my Macbook Pro
     
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  24. crazytennis

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    Two button trackpads, when did they come up with that ? Care for a picture ? Last time I checked , like 1/2 minute ago, they still didn't have that.
     
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  25. movdqa

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    They can use any mice. I actually don't like the Apple mice and I actually prefer Microsoft-branded mice to Apple mice.
     
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    If you know anything about hardware, the best bet would be to simply build your own. Cheapest, ensures you can put exactly what you want in, and very easy to do. My guess is that your prof. will encourage Windows or a Unix variant. I would be very hesitant to go with a Mac (started my undergrad as a CSC student, just got done with courses for a masters at RIT - not in CSC, but had experience with some of the profs and students)... Unless you plan on using it for personal use only (not school). If you are a fan of Apple's locked down hardware strategy, and don't have any need or interest in picking the components yourself, or are simply a big OS X fan, Superstition does have a good point... I just personally think it is too expensive and locked-in for my tastes.

    Superstition does bring up some very silly points though, like 'protecting from flex', and claiming that DRM slows vista to a crawl (****ing ******** man, why post that crap? there is enough FUD being spread without your help)
     
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  27. superstition

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    There is no way to take a picture of a trackpad and show that it can use up to three finger operation. You'll have to find an illustration.

    Besides, studies have found that new users are confused by two buttons and most PC users never use the second button. Given that the trackpad has up to three finger operation (I use the two finger scroll function a lot), there's no lack of functionality.
     
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    If you work or plan to work in the educational field, there's a lot of software out there only for Windows. Stats programs, CADs, etc.
     
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    It's not silly at all. I had an iBook with a plastic case and the flex from moving it around when taking it to classes caused the motherboard to eventually fail. Metal cases protect motherboards better.

    Vista has been found to run games more slowly than XP and people have credited its DRM (increased overhead). In any case, other articles I've seen about Vista from PC users complain about the intrusiveness of the DRM.
     
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    All of which can be run on a Mac since Macs can run Windows natively. You can also run Windows in a Window with Parallels.
     
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    You build your own laptops?
     
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  32. movdqa

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    Microsoft Developer Studio Professional tools run about $1,300. Apple's developer tools are free. And they're included on the CD. Though it's best to update them with the latest versions.

    Software Professionals that have to develop on the three big platforms (OSX, Linux, Windows) typically find that you're better off with a Linux codebase store with client development tools. It's easier to use native Unix tools than it is to use a hacked-together Windows environment.
     
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  33. Hot Sauce

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    Yes.. because not knowing which mice Mac's can use furthermore means that I don't know the price of PC and Mac notebooks. Some top notch logic there. I said PC notebooks are cheaper than Macs, you responded by saying Macs are better built, thus they are not cheaper? Again, some top notch logic. I guess since you are not familiar with logic and reasoning, you shouldn't state anything. A one dollar pile of sh*t is cheaper than a 2,000 dollar Macbook, regardless of quality.

    You can find 400-500 dollar Dell notebooks that are perfect for University students. They're very popular.
     
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  34. southpaw

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    Computer science should be either mac or linux. The open source world is an invaluable resource to students and Windows makes it difficult to use many of the tools available there.

    On the other hand, if you are interested in more of a Business/IT program then Windows is the way to go.
     
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  35. crazytennis

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    I didn't say it couldn't use three fingers. I'm just saying they don't have a 2 button trackpad which you claimed and asked the other user to try again. It's the right clicking function that the 2 button trackpad does(the second button does it , and no i'm not talking about control clicking). If you write something wrong, atleast man up and don't invent studies.
     
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    Price is a matter of ratio between functionality and cash. If you don't know the functionality, you don't know the functionality part of the ratio, making value determination unfeasible.

    This is why I tell everyone to look at the cost per ounce when buying groceries before looking at the price tag.
     
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    If you press two fingers down on the trackpad at the same time, you get a "right" click.
     
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  38. Hot Sauce

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    Price is the cost of something. It has no other implications. Dishing out more money on a product does not necessarily mean you are getting a better quality product.
     
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  39. movdqa

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    I have three MacBook Pros. They all have one-button trackpads.

    But they do have built-in mouse-gestures. What you'd expect from the company that introduced them in the iPod Touch. Interestingly enough, the trackpad mouse gestures also work in Windows via Boot Camp. Apple's made a lot of excuses for the one-button mouse. But a lot of people hate it and just buy a Microsoft mouse to use two, three, four, five buttons.

    I went to the Mozilla 2008 Summit at Whistler, BC and I've never seen so many MacBook Pros in my life. You get the unix environment without all of the maintenance issues. And you can run all three major operating systems from one hardware platform. The engineers there use their MacBook Pros as if they were an extension of their arm.
     
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  40. crazytennis

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    Not the two finger tap, not the two finger touch and right click, just a second button.

    It's not the different ways you can do it, you maybe able to do it in 15 ways, you said they come with two buttons when they don't.

    And all the made of metal things, does that apply to Macbooks as well ?
     
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  41. crazytennis

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    That's what I've been trying to say, he doesn't want to agree.
     
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  42. superstition

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    The mice come with two buttons and the track pad comes with (virtual) buttons (in the pad). The functionality is there, and it's part of the track pad.

    Given that the primary click is used the vast majority of the time, having one large physical button below the touch pad makes sense. And, I almost never use it. I use the touch pad's buttons for primary click, secondary click, and scroll.

    Virtual buttons are buttons. Just because they're not a big physical button doesn't mean they don't exist. Similarly, the Apple mice have two or one virtual buttons depending upon how you have your preferences configured. You're looking for a fight based on the assumption that buttons have to be visible to exist, which is fallacious reasoning.

    If you're referring to older model Mac laptops no longer being sold, then you are correct. The trackpads have single-button functionality only.
    The MacBook Pro line has metal cases, as you can see from the Apple Store online.
     
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  43. crazytennis

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    Yeah, i know the Macbook Pros are metals but I said Macbooks(the white one, you know), I guess Macbooks don't have the flex protection you were talking about.

    I won't even go with the trackpad thing anymore.
     
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    My wife has a macbook and I have a pc. Her hard drive has crashed twice. I haven't had any problems with my dell over the last 3 years. I guess it all comes down to personal choice and being a little lucky. Some computers just don't hold up as well as others. Mac's do have a much better track record when it comes to reliability.
     
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    Apple fans are irritating. Apple invented mouse gestures? WTF?

    Superstition: My comments on building were relegated to desktops. I saw no indication of requiring a laptop. Your flex comment on laptops was ridiculous though. I mean, what the ****? I've had the same plastic laptop for many years. I've never had a problem. I don't know ANYONE whose had a problem with "flex". Yet you point to it as a reason to go Apple? It shows a bit of bias.

    For the record, I do like OS X as an OS. While no OS is inherently the best or better than their competition, OS X fits the needs of many users. My problem is with Apple's stance of closing the hardware, and their closed, proprietary nature for nearly all of their products and services.
     
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    And I've been discussing the MacBook Pro, you know. I've also making the point that one gets what one pays for.
    One gets what one pays for.
     
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  47. crazytennis

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    I'm done here. See ya.
     
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  48. superstition

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    Who said that? What's irritating is the religiosity of some when discussing computer platforms.
    It's not bias. You do know someone who has had the problem. Me. You can call me a liar if you like, but as a former full-time IT specialist, I know a few things about computers. I have also built a number of "PCs" and so forth. Your bias accusation is what's absurd, given that I have equal experience on the Windows platform and was the first at my university to roll out XP in a department.
     
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  49. superstition

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    One gets what one pays for. This isn't news.

    You can also pay for an AppleCare warranty if you don't want to buy a MacBook Pro and are concerned about case flex.
     
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    "My wife has a macbook and I have a pc. Her hard drive has crashed twice."

    It's not necessarily the hardware on disk crashes.
     
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